WORLD BOSS FATES >:(

World boss fates are a bad system. I spent 15 hours trying to get the world boss fate to spawn only for it to die in 10 seconds and I'm unable to get a hit in on it. I feel cheated and used. The fact the system requires me to wait sooooo long do all this work to then have it die instantly. I hate it. The system is archaic and does account for the 200 people waiting in the instances for it to spawn. Its a system that doesn't reward actually doing anything beyond waiting.

Idk maybe a better way of doing it, is if your in the instance on the map and it spawns and dies, everyone in the map gets the rewards. If people want to sit and wait at the boss cool. But dont punish the people that are in the map doing the fate chains to get it to spawn.

We saw this same thing happen in Shadowbringers and Endwalker as some players rushed to get the new rewards as fast as possible before they needed to commit their time to raiding. Once Savage was released, the crowds started thinning out and were more patient.

My suggestion is don't be in a rush to get the rewards. Let the impolite rush crowd get what they want so they won't be back. Things will be better in a month.

There's like 10+ servers you can check and 3 instances per map on each server, if you really want the items and achievements that badly you can easily knock it out in an afternoon, especially if you check player made trackers.

To be fair in ShB and EW the arenas were big enough that the boss wasn't being instantly pulled on spawn, so people actually had time to world hop and get to the boss. Waiting till later when the crowd thins is an option, but also a risk, as not enough people means the FATE doesn't get cleared(First time I ever fought Formidable it timed out due to lack of people). But the bigger issue is just how unfun it is to be stuck sitting in a map for hours waiting hoping for it to spawn after each run of the FATE chain.

We do need a revamp on World Bosses, I agree.

What world boss dies in 10 seconds? FATEs scale you to their level.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

What world boss dies in 10 seconds? FATEs scale you to their level.

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Scaling the individual player to the boss level doesn't make a difference if the FATE isn't scaling correctly to the number of player present.

If it's designed expecting a turnout of maybe 40 players and 350 show up, what do you think the result would be? The result is the boss dying in 10-15 seconds. With the current number of players showing up, you can help spawn the FATE in the 4th zone and not make it to the FATE location in time to be part of the kill because it's being annihilated the moment it spawns. Everyone wants the mount and it takes at least 2 kills to get enough tokens. Players are zone camping hoping to see the FATE spawn.

As I said before, this happens at the start of every expansion. Players who want the reward now zerg the boss. As players start getting their rewards, more stop attending than new attendees show up.

The FATEs aren't going to be removed from the game. No one needs to fear missing out. Wait a few weeks and the number showing up will start thinning out and the bosses will last longer.

It's not like it won't spawn again.
Just go next time, it'll be slightly less popular each time it spawns.

It would help so much if it would not be rng based and instead a visible progress bar. Do the Fate-Chain, fill up the bar and once the bar is filled it will spawn. Giving players a bit more knowledge and not trying to FOMO players into standing at the boss arena because it could spawn.... but it might also not spawn for another 10 hours.

I too really dislike the world boss system, it is completly unclear when or how to spawn one of these bosses, so far i know they are part of a long fate chain, but their spawn cooldown is absurdly long, and also the fates are not shown on the map, so you dont even know when its there.
I think i have killed the world bosses just enough times during the expansion to get all rewards, that means one kill in 6 months.
They might spawn when i am at work, or sleeping, or just not logged in and then it is a week long cooldown to happen again.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

I too really dislike the world boss system, it is completly unclear when or how to spawn one of these bosses, so far i know they are part of a long fate chain, but their spawn cooldown is absurdly long, and also the fates are not shown on the map, so you dont even know when its there.
I think i have killed the world bosses just enough times during the expansion to get all rewards, that means one kill in 6 months.
They might spawn when i am at work, or sleeping, or just not logged in and then it is a week long cooldown to happen again.

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If you read the flavor text, you'd see that the face chains lead up to something.
The "absurdly long" is actually only 36-72 hours long. Dawntrail are 24-72 hours.
In the 7.0 Patch Notes (https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...918edb036b3004), the Shadowbringers and Endwalker Rare FATEs (And Dawntrail) now show up on the map when they're spawned.

Shadowbringers-
Formidable - Fair point, but both FATEs have the name.
Archaeotania - Every single FATE's flavor text says that this Ondo is looking for Archaeotania because he wants to kill it or prevent other Ondo from using it for nefarious purposes.

Endwalker-
Daivadipa - You are helping pilgrims get to where their god may be. Unfortunately, it's a false one from the Tower of Zot.
Chi - The Omicron you're helping managed to get a connection to this extremely powerful fighter. Unfortunately, you need to kill it to get that data.

Dawntrail-
Serpentlord - Read the flavor text. Three of the 4 FATEs refer to the Serpentlord and how you're helping this bounty hunter... hunt it.
Mica - Hey kid wanna be in a magical parade of funtime and death? Maybe we'll even see Mica the magical Mu to seal your FATE!

I actually kinda enjoy the world fates as they are, because they encourage people to get together and try and pop it. Some hilarious moments have occurred during when Chi was new and now with the snake. Good also to show up even if you already have the mount for gems and exp.

was mica playtested with zoomhacks?

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Originally Posted by Or4ngeTicTac

World boss fates are a bad system. I spent 15 hours trying to get the world boss fate to spawn only for it to die in 10 seconds and I'm unable to get a hit in on it. I feel cheated and used. The fact the system requires me to wait sooooo long do all this work to then have it die instantly. I hate it. The system is archaic and does account for the 200 people waiting in the instances for it to spawn. Its a system that doesn't reward actually doing anything beyond waiting.

Idk maybe a better way of doing it, is if your in the instance on the map and it spawns and dies, everyone in the map gets the rewards. If people want to sit and wait at the boss cool. But dont punish the people that are in the map doing the fate chains to get it to spawn.

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Must be new here, it's got a chance to spawn in a 48 hour window. It's not a guarantee at all, I spent 20 hours there for it to not spawn, was I mad? No disappointed? For sure but hey it's an MMO, and it's a RARE fate. The word rare ought to mean something right? For now when people get the mount and the glam set from the other fate it's special and slightly rare. Later on it will be easier to get because there's less clogged instances so your connection won't be as affected. Also we're you in a party? If so all you had to do was hit it once as long as there's a few tanks that stay alive you get full credit. Now if you weren't in a party that's your fault, fates and hunt marks work of enmity and not damage. The final fate is literally right next to where it spawns. How did you not immediately go to the spawn of the boss and wait? Sounds like winging and not constructive criticism.

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Originally Posted by wigleht

was mica playtested with zoomhacks?

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Do some of you not pan your cam up and zoom out? It's not hard to pan your camera to see the numbered sections. It's a simple memory game, and if your aren't sure you can just follow the zerg army of WOL's.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

What world boss dies in 10 seconds? FATEs scale you to their level.

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If a zone has let's say 40 people in it the fates scale to that and I think it also takes in proximity aswell but not entirely sure. So when one does spawn and a zerg comes in it the fate won't adjust and it can die fast. Now I haven't seen any of these fates die so quick like that, mainly because there's at least 200 people waiting. I went to the 6th zone fate and it had 1.5 billion health......500 people waiting there when it spawned. On my server people wait a few minutes after it's up so people have a chance to zone in and find a party. Depends on the server ofc.

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Originally Posted by alfarini

Do some of you not pan your cam up and zoom out? It's not hard to pan your camera to see the numbered sections. It's a simple memory game, and if your aren't sure you can just follow the zerg army of WOL's.

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why would i pan my camera for 1 open world boss?
besides, default zoom isn't enough for a lot of content now.
most recently leonogg from 100 dungeon, the circling pots go out of your pov because the entire arena isnt visible from any angle.

hence

is the content tested with zoomhacks?

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Originally Posted by wigleht

why would i pan my camera for 1 open world boss?
besides, default zoom isn't enough for a lot of content now.

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So you can see what's going on?? Like by all means don't use your camera and angle it accordingly depending on situation. And mald about it being tested with "zoom hacks". Not my problem you can't play with your camera settings or manipulate it mid combat to your advantage, Skill issue.

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Originally Posted by wigleht

why would i pan my camera for 1 open world boss?
besides, default zoom isn't enough for a lot of content now.
most recently leonogg from 100 dungeon, the circling pots go out of your pov because the entire arena isnt visible from any angle.

hence

is the content tested with zoomhacks?

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I don't think it's being tested with zoomhacks but I do think it's being tested with monitors and resolutions that most players aren't using. Most of the time I feel like if I could zoom out just a little bit farther, I'd be able to see everything I need to be seeing.

I feel like rare fates as well as hunts should have some sort of manual trigger mechanism, so it’s not all just right place at the right time or wait for zergfest to hit the zone. Maybe tie it into relic systems so you have to spawn and kill specific enemies. Person with proper quest progress can gather group, spawn required creature, they get quest progress, other players get special currency for glams or mounts or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

I feel like rare fates as well as hunts should have some sort of manual trigger mechanism, so it’s not all just right place at the right time or wait for zergfest to hit the zone. Maybe tie it into relic systems so you have to spawn and kill specific enemies. Person with proper quest progress can gather group, spawn required creature, they get quest progress, other players get special currency for glams or mounts or whatever.

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Most of the big FATEs and S ranks do? There's still a random timer involved but once the timer releases the boss to be able to spawn, we have to meet the trigger conditions for the FATE or S rank to actually appear.

That's not going to stop players with nothing better to do with their time from camping zones that show the spawn window is open. They're already doing that.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

What world boss dies in 10 seconds? FATEs scale you to their level.

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Not necessarily.. Behemoth FATEs in Coerthas are level 50, but only sync you down to 70. Odin no longer scales on defeat, is fixed at level 50, and also only syncs down to 70.
The big HW FATEs sync down to 70, but that's slightly less impactful.
Ixion, down to 80.
Wasn't until ShB (well.. EW technically) that the big FATEs synced to within 4 levels instead of 10.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

I feel like rare fates as well as hunts should have some sort of manual trigger mechanism, so it’s not all just right place at the right time or wait for zergfest to hit the zone. Maybe tie it into relic systems so you have to spawn and kill specific enemies. Person with proper quest progress can gather group, spawn required creature, they get quest progress, other players get special currency for glams or mounts or whatever.

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Fates and S rank hunts do have a trigger. The only ones that don't are B Ranks (respawns in ~5 seconds iirc) and A ranks, which are usually left alone for a hunt train. You don't really have to worry too much about 'right place' as much as 'right time', basically just don't be busy when things are nearing cap. I don't know how things work over on Hyperion, but on Cactuar we typically recommend joining a Hunt LS and if you're worried about missing a train, check in the LS when the last train was. Usually a train won't start until ~5 hours after the previous train at the earliest.

Fate bosses have manual triggers typically tied to fate chains, although some older fates were also tied to zone weather. S Rank hunts ARE manually spawned, through a variety of means, and standard etiquette is to call the hunt to hunt LS and wait until the spawners pull, but early expansion there's so many people that they get anxious and pull early. There's been requests to make FATE bosses and S ranks have a few minute invuln timer to allow everyone to arrive and join a party, but that's unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Or4ngeTicTac

World boss fates are a bad system. I spent 15 hours trying to get the world boss fate to spawn only for it to die in 10 seconds and I'm unable to get a hit in on it. I feel cheated and used. The fact the system requires me to wait sooooo long do all this work to then have it die instantly. I hate it. The system is archaic and does account for the 200 people waiting in the instances for it to spawn. Its a system that doesn't reward actually doing anything beyond waiting.

Idk maybe a better way of doing it, is if your in the instance on the map and it spawns and dies, everyone in the map gets the rewards. If people want to sit and wait at the boss cool. But dont punish the people that are in the map doing the fate chains to get it to spawn.

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There are various Discord channels and websites dedicated to providing the time a fate world boss pops-up and their spawn window might occur. Utilizing these resources can save you countless hours of waiting. It's worth noting that no world fate boss can be defeated in just 10 seconds, unless it is an S Rank. I highly recommend joining these Discord communities to stay informed about Fate and hunt train

It's fine, chi will be up in 15 minutes.

Man, I would love boss fates that scaled to how many players are present in the fight. That would be so sick!

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Originally Posted by Josuke4

Man, I would love boss fates that scaled to how many players are present in the fight. That would be so sick!

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They do scale some but there's a cap to how far one will scale. Right now, so many players are showing up the cap is greatly exceeded.

They'll feel better in a few weeks when the "must have now" players have their rewards and the hype dies down. It happens every expansion.

it will spawn in 5mins

It'd be kind of cool if the game has some more in game resources instead of having to rely on third party stuff. Seems like an easy fix to this is to just have them spawn on a timer every x hours, GW2 does this (or the pre-requisites are obvious and there's a spawn delay after completing them) and you can just open the timers by typing /wiki et.

As of now they're kind of a pain to do casually.

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Originally Posted by EiraWoqiso

Fates and S rank hunts do have a trigger. The only ones that don't are B Ranks (respawns in ~5 seconds iirc) and A ranks, which are usually left alone for a hunt train. You don't really have to worry too much about 'right place' as much as 'right time', basically just don't be busy when things are nearing cap. I don't know how things work over on Hyperion, but on Cactuar we typically recommend joining a Hunt LS and if you're worried about missing a train, check in the LS when the last train was. Usually a train won't start until ~5 hours after the previous train at the earliest.

Fate bosses have manual triggers typically tied to fate chains, although some older fates were also tied to zone weather. S Rank hunts ARE manually spawned, through a variety of means, and standard etiquette is to call the hunt to hunt LS and wait until the spawners pull, but early expansion there's so many people that they get anxious and pull early. There's been requests to make FATE bosses and S ranks have a few minute invuln timer to allow everyone to arrive and join a party, but that's unlikely to happen.

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Yes, there are hidden in game INVISIBLE triggers for Boss fates and S ranks. But that’s just the problem they are invisible. No clear way to randomly know in game when things could pop. Not everyone can be terminally online everyday to wait around for things to pop. Fate chains are great if I can expect the rare fate to pop after I clear it, but it never does. The Azeim stepe has a great fate chain. Only roadblock is a fate that you cannot solo so it fails often resetting the chain. But if you have a party together you can span the rest of the fates. Raktika and Ilmeg has something similar but is soloable I’ve found. But the rare boss fates no reward for doing the work. Unless you happen to randomly be online at the right time.

For hunts. If I could spend an hour in a zone doing specific things to pop a hunt mob, make it feel like an actual hunt. That would be amazing. Waiting on the mobs to randomly spawn, then also waiting for a group of strangers to zone hop and kill them at a random time of day, also not fun. Just having an alternate on demand option for hunts would be great. Could be a way to bring back combat levequest or make special hunting maps,which are basically like levequests. That way you can spawn a hunt mob for your specific group. But just adding something more on demand for hunts so make them far more accessible to people rather than just being lucky to be online at the right time.