DRG: Can we get Spineshatter Dive back for the animation instead of Winged Glide?

I get that they wanted to remove damage from the gap closers, which I do appreciate so we can use it as a utility instead of just using it all the time cause of damage. But why take it away as a "jump" animation? Just remove the other hit effects of the animation and we're good.

Also even with Winged Glide there feels like an animation lock before you can attack which doesn't feel good that I think will likely need to be adjusted in the future.

I'm 100% on board with having Spineshatter Dive return instead of having winged glide. I'm not sure why they made such a change.

Where I get your sentiment, it doesn't feel like a "Jump" with an enemy target would *not* deal any kind of damage and just be a gap closer. Jumps are impactful actions and being relegated to just a gap closer just feels... weird. Like if Shield Lob didn't do damage and was just a provoke. Functionally, it serves. Not so much otherwise, imo.

DRG needs to be reworked.... again, it feels very bad to play, theres no impact on jumps, which their job is all about originally, i also hate the nastrond spam, just make it a hard hitting attack...

I agree 100%. Taking a jump away from the jumping job was one of the many completely nonsensical decisions they made for DRG in Dawntrail.

Fully agree considering the job's identity. Winged Glide is very welcome from a QoL perspective but it's so lacking in flavour.

I've said it on Twitter too, but I think they should have let us steal Plunge from DRK so you can backflip out and front-flip back in

They call it Winged Glide but it's more like Draconic Rollerskates, let the jump job jump

I honestly don't know why they made the change to the majority of the gap closers at all. I mean, I know why they said they did it, but it really didn't need to happen.

So what if players were using them as a dps cooldown? The skills naturally had a built-in trade-off. If a fight suddenly required you to close the distance between you and a boss quickly, but your damaging gap closer was on cooldown, then it would likely result in dps loss by default as you were running back to the target. Lesson learned. The next time you would make sure to save a charge.

It's a change that didn't need to be made. Honestly seems like a theme for a lot of Dawntrail job skills.

I think the change of losing a gap closing jump for DRG is odd on paper, and the skill did not feel good originally (feels fine now imo) but I also don't really feel like I'm lacking for jumps during content at the moment so I don't mind it.

Also just my own opinion but the lack of a gap closing jump makes it feel quite nice when cooldowns and a fight phase line up so that you can use DFD or Stardiver as a gap closer.

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Originally Posted by jonimated

I honestly don't know why they made the change to the majority of the gap closers at all. I mean, I know why they said they did it, but it really didn't need to happen.

So what if players were using them as a dps cooldown? The skills naturally had a built-in trade-off. If a fight suddenly required you to close the distance between you and a boss quickly, but your damaging gap closer was on cooldown, then it would likely result in dps loss by default as you were running back to the target. Lesson learned. The next time you would make sure to save a charge.

It's a change that didn't need to be made. Honestly seems like a theme for a lot of Dawntrail job skills.

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I'm convinced it was mostly seen as a weave issue. JP players seem to have a strong distaste for "busyness", so they removed gapcloser damage from jobs that frequently weave. Jobs like WAR still have damage on their basic gapclosers.

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Originally Posted by Router

I'm convinced it was mostly seen as a weave issue. JP players seem to have a strong distaste for "busyness", so they removed gapcloser damage from jobs that frequently weave. Jobs like WAR still have damage on their basic gapclosers.

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Yes, some JP players also ask for the animation lock of the remaining jumps to be reduced.

Winged Glide should have a jump-like animation and a lower cooldown of 30s or at the very least 45s. 60s is just a carryover from Spineshatter that they never bothered to fix.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

theres no impact on jumps

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This has been said for years now and usually when people say impact they mean potency. I wish Stardiver's potency was 900 and not Starcross considering the former is a single-weave. It should feel strong because of this.

Anyway, I disagree jumps lack power. They are oGCDs so logically they have less potency as otherwise, we'd have to be nerfed. And whether we like it or not, DRG is a WAR clone now, which has the positive effect of making our 1-minute bursts almost as strong as our 2-minute ones.

We deal almost 40% more damage for 20s every minute, which makes Starcross deal almost 1.3k potency on its own. A combination of Starcross, another strong oGCD like Wyrmwind Thrust or Rise of the Dragon and one of the higher potency GCDs deals more damage than a NIN's Hyosho.

What DRG needs right now is an actual filler and an actual gauge. Making Mirage Dive grant one scale and doing AoE damage would fix it and help a bit with that, although we'd still need something more.

I was more refering to animations, they look aweful for jumps. FF11 / FF14 1.0 did it better, jumps were slower, had more impact. Potency increase would be nice too, its supposed to be a dragoons ultimate ability, dragoons are really weak at the moment, atleast from whats seen on dps charts.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

I was more refering to animations, they look aweful for jumps. FF11 / FF14 1.0 did it better, jumps were slower, had more impact. Potency increase would be nice too, its supposed to be a dragoons ultimate ability, dragoons are really weak at the moment, atleast from whats seen on dps charts.

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Thats the problem, if they make the jump slower aka HW era, the animation lock is abysmall

Remember all the dragoon meme back in HW era? Its all because the animation lock

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Originally Posted by gumas

Thats the problem, if they make the jump slower aka HW era, the animation lock is abysmall

Remember all the dragoon meme back in HW era? Its all because the animation lock

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Well, the animation lock sorted the bad DRG's from the good ones and made the job more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

I'm 100% on board with having Spineshatter Dive return instead of having winged glide. I'm not sure why they made such a change.

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They removed Spineshatter, as well as DRK's and GNB's old gap closers so that players did not feel pressured to include the damage from the gap closer into their burst phase. WAR and PLD still have a damage-dealing gap closer since they don't have burst phases (as far as I know)

However, as a filthy casual, I do miss Spineshatter, Plunge, and Rough Divide

1) Dragoon does have dashes
https://i.imgur.com/4tkm4Rn.gif

2) A jump gap closer that deals no damage? Why, that hardly makes sense! https://i.imgur.com/MHhqFu4.jpeg

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Originally Posted by gumas

Thats the problem, if they make the jump slower aka HW era, the animation lock is abysmall

Remember all the dragoon meme back in HW era? Its all because the animation lock

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Yeah unless oGCDs get dramatically reduced so single weaves become more common on Dragoon having slow strong looking jump animation probably won't ever happen.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

1) Dragoon does have dashes
https://i.imgur.com/4tkm4Rn.gif

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And yet this one clearly deals damage