Wuk Sucks

It just can't be said enough.

I'm still thinkin about how that one guy knew that the Hanu's crops were failing because the float was broken and the parade wasn't being done correctly, and instead of telling them directly so they don't starve to death he just sat on that information just so that revelation could potentially be apart of this vanity competition for the tuliyollan royalty.

this is punishment for all the "retire the scions" posts

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Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR

It just can't be said enough.

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Tell me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace, without telling me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace.

This forum really is a complete cesspool...

Seethe buddy, seethe. Let it all out.

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Originally Posted by DrForester

This forum really is a complete cesspool...

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Wuk's distant cousin has spoken.

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Originally Posted by DrForester

This forum really is a complete cesspool...

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https://i.imgur.com/xOWIWb9.jpeg
Always has been.

Also unpopular forum opinion: I LIKE LAMATY'I. (That includes the dorky accent of her VA :'D)
She starts off as a bit of a comic relief character but makes some good developments.

Look I still like the game a lot especially how they improved my monk, dungeons, trials, graphics ect. However this became basically Krile vs Wuk Lamat and Krile lost to being important. The devs basically lied to us on saying she would be the focus hell she should have been the one narrating the story. Wuk Lamat should have stayed behind as the dawnservent simple as that. Also dial down the cutesy shit when we are cutting the life support of an entire civilization.

Late night, come home

Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters

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Originally Posted by Rxvenluvsducks

Tell me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace, without telling me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace.

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Aang was a well written child learning their reason to fight for peace.

Wuk just comes off as a standard shonen protagonist and is really annoying.
However, I'm not even halfway through the MSQ, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters

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You don't have to out yourself like this for never having read actual good character development.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters

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The character building with Wuk Lamat is terrible. It is the kinda stuff you can expect a 6th grade kid to write really. From over confident and naive to still over confident and naive (but it works out this time because the power of friendship).

Wuk Lamat kind of reminds me of Naruto.

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Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito

Late night, come home

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Wuk sucks, I know.

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Originally Posted by Rxvenluvsducks

Tell me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace, without telling me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace.

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Serei no Moribito did this trope infinitely better than what DT did with it. It can be done well, and DT did not do it well.

Suk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters

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Bakool Ja ja had more character development that Wuk. And he was still more cartoonish joke than a real character.

Pray return to the Wuk Lamat!

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

You don't have to out yourself like this for never having read actual good character development.

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Yeah. Wuk Lamat does not have character development. She's literally the same person she was when she started, with the minor exception that she isn't "afraid" to show weakness--which isn't character development at all; it's just her getting used to companions who don't care. She starts the game incredibly naive and cartoonish and ends the game the same way.

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Originally Posted by Folsom

Yeah. Wuk Lamat does not have character development. She's literally the same person she was when she started, with the minor exception that she isn't "afraid" to show weakness--which isn't character development at all; it's just her getting used to companions who don't care. She starts the game incredibly naive and cartoonish and ends the game the same way.

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Shows how much you know! She also learned to like Alpacas!

She's OK to me, but she truly reminded me of OG Naruto and that felt weird. You know, the really optimistic, quirky, cringe, fun character that speaks loudly and adores food. Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

That being said she's OK. I came across more unbearable characters (looking at you, Asahi).

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

She's OK to me, but she truly reminded me of OG Naruto and that felt weird. You know, the really optimistic, quirky, cringe, fun character that speaks loudly and adores food. Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

That being said she's OK. I came across more unbearable characters (looking at you, Asahi).

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I agree there are more characters that make my skin crawl than Wuk Lamat, the difference is.. I wasn't force to be stuck with them for hours on end (I think the most dialogue heavy character in all of XIV history) and possibly well into the next 2yrs of patches.

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Originally Posted by DrForester

This forum really is a complete cesspool...

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Agreed, but mostly cuz of toxic positivity, OP isn't wrong, lol.

Man I was really hoping Wuk would get killed or get sacrificed to the gods in the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by DarkMasamune

Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

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Or in the english dub's case: "believe it."

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Originally Posted by KuroTenshi

Agreed, but mostly cuz of toxic positivity, OP isn't wrong, lol.

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Both times I've been to the forums it's been a nonstop whine fest about pretty much anything and everything that someone could complain about. Not sure where you're seeing this overwhelming positivity cause it's not here, lol. 3 active threads complaining about Wuk Lamat and they're all full of mostly the same people just circle jerking each other.

Y'all need Jesus or Ra La or something.

And a disclaimer for anyone that hasn't looked into those other threads, but the OP is a known bigot that hates this story because he thinks it's pushing "wokeism" and seems to be just generally crazy and hateful.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters

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Is the character building in the room with us now? I'm almost done with the story and I'm still waiting for this supposed Wuk Lamat character development to happen.

I'm trying really hard to like her, but it's like she's the same annoying character throughout the entire story who never fails at anything and everything always works out for her regardless. Genuinely just god awful Mary Sue style writing from low tier fan fiction honestly.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

Is the character building in the room with us now? I'm almost done with the story and I'm still waiting for this supposed Wuk Lamat character development to happen.

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she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean

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Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR

It just can't be said enough.

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I think of Wuk as how I felt about Zero. I disliked Zero when I first met her, thinking she was edgy and emo and bland. But once the story progressed and I played through it, I loved Zero and how her character developed.

It's amazing so many ppl saying a character SUCKS when she was just INTRODUCED. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Give me a break. Do you do that IRL too?

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Originally Posted by Dubont

she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean

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I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.

I MISS MY BEST FRIEND ZENOS

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Originally Posted by Dubont

she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean

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The problem is, she barely grows. Unless there's a massive change right at the end, but between 5 out of the 6 zones of the Expansion, she's pretty much same unlikeable idiot she started as that we're just supposed to like and can't say no to.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

It's amazing so many ppl saying a character SUCKS when she was just INTRODUCED. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Give me a break. Do you do that IRL too?

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Yes. Everyone does that. I'm tired of pretending that people don't do that. It doesn't take 20 hours to realize you find an annoying person annoying.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

I think of Wuk as how I felt about Zero. I disliked Zero when I first met her, thinking she was edgy and emo and bland. But once the story progressed and I played through it, I loved Zero and how her character developed.

It's amazing so many ppl saying a character SUCKS when she was just INTRODUCED. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Give me a break. Do you do that IRL too?

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Yes lmfao

If I feel weirded out by someone's first interaction or if I just can't vibe with them after a prolonged period of time, I'm not gonna force myself to like them. Even if they're a coworker or classmate where I'd be forced to interact with them everyday. If I do not vibe with someone, I'm simply not gonna bother befriending them.

I gave Wuk Lamat a chance. I simply do not vibe with her or her character or her character trope and I cannot force myself to care about her lame character development. She pretty much had the spotlight for the entire 30+ hour MSQ. If a character needs anymore time than that, they can fuck off lmao

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Originally Posted by LucienFaust

The devs basically lied to us...

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You don't say. Do you think this is the first time?
Here is a Hint. Read my Signature.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

I think of Wuk as how I felt about Zero. I disliked Zero when I first met her, thinking she was edgy and emo and bland. But once the story progressed and I played through it, I loved Zero and how her character developed.

It's amazing so many ppl saying a character SUCKS when she was just INTRODUCED. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Give me a break. Do you do that IRL too?

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i don't even hate wuk but this statement only makes sense if DT wasn't already out

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

I think of Wuk as how I felt about Zero. I disliked Zero when I first met her, thinking she was edgy and emo and bland. But once the story progressed and I played through it, I loved Zero and how her character developed.

It's amazing so many ppl saying a character SUCKS when she was just INTRODUCED. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Give me a break. Do you do that IRL too?

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Everyone else: Get's handed a sandwich, eats the sandwich ... uirrrgh this taste like literal shit.
You: How do you know you don't like it if you don't eat several of them over the next few years

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.

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Yes, exactly. There is a world of difference between a character who is unlikable because they are poorly written (Wuk Lamat) and characters who are unlikable in the context of a well written story (Julian Bashir, Star Trek DS9; Jamie Lannister, Game of Thrones). Unsurprisingly, the well written ones see good, actual character development.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.

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I hate to tell you, and I'm not even sure where you got this idea from, but Wuk is supposed to be endearing from the very beginning. You're SUPPOSED to like her, but think that she's not ready for leadership yet. You hating her from the beginning is just you. imo, the writing/cutscenes make that very clear.

That said, whether or not you feel it works or not is the real question, and obviously it doesn't for you.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

I think of Wuk as how I felt about Zero. I disliked Zero when I first met her, thinking she was edgy and emo and bland. But once the story progressed and I played through it, I loved Zero and how her character developed.

It's amazing so many ppl saying a character SUCKS when she was just INTRODUCED. Talk about judging a book by its cover. Give me a break. Do you do that IRL too?

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I just spent like 30 hours with her. If you are super generous and remove 10 hours for dungeons/wandering around - that's two full seasons of Game of Thrones. If you cannot develop a character in 20 hours, you're an awful awful writer.

For comparison, Emet, Yotsuyu, and Fordola were given around the same amount of time. Koana was given half of that.