More ability compression, please

since they made it a toggle i think it'd be nice to have some more. what i'd really like for myself as a reaper enjoyer is having arcane circle combo into plentiful harvest and enshroud into communio since these abilities are mutually exclusive with eachother. ie you cannot use ph without having used arcane circle and communio without enshroud

Might as well turn the game into a visual novel at this point.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Might as well turn the game into a visual novel at this point.

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Play something else then

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Might as well turn the game into a visual novel at this point.

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how would it affect you personally though if it were a choice as opposed to being forced onto people

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

how would it affect you personally though if it were a choice as opposed to being forced onto people

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Following this logic, we may as well give everyone a button that awards everyone with all the loot, titles, achievements and glamours, instantly.

It wouldn't affect you, right? You can always do things the slow way!

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Following this logic, we may as well give everyone a button that awards everyone with all the loot, titles, achievements and glamours, instantly.

It wouldn't affect you, right? You can always do things the slow way!

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Talk about overreaction geez.

I like some of my abilities being combo'd it saves having to play the piano to enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Talk about overreaction geez.

I like some of my abilities being combo'd it saves having to play the piano to enjoy the game.

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I understand, but it's a slippery slope - one that, to be fair, the game has already starting to slide down from a few years ago. Bit by bit, the game is no longer a game.

Let's assume we get ability compression: next time, someone comes along and says "Why have 3 abilities linked to the same button? May as well make it one ability, as I am pressing the same button three times anyway." See how things can escalate?

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I understand, but it's a slippery slope - one that, to be fair, the game has already starting to slide down from a few years ago. Bit by bit, the game is no longer a game.

Let's assume we get ability compression: next time, someone comes along and says "Why have 3 abilities linked to the same button? May as well make it one ability, as I am pressing the same button three times anyway." See how things can escalate?

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It's already heading in that direction, I can see the Job reworks in 8.0 making all of the older jobs similar to how VPR and PCT are playing, keeping the 2 min meta and putting alot of abilities into chained combo's on 1 button.

May aswell embrace it as even those die hard bored of healer players are playing PCT and absolutely loving it judging by their responses in that accursed thread.

There is a reason that "Slippery Slope" is the name of a logical fallacy.

I like pressing a lot of buttons. I also like pressing less buttons.
It depends on what the buttons actually do, though.

Personally I think ability compression is a better design if done well.
It leaves room for more meaningful buttons instead of spreading a single combo out across 3 of them. I do not care if the combo becomes a one button combo. It does not actually change anything. It is not more skillful to do a 3 hit combo by pressing 3 different buttons instead of 1.

It does have a different game feel, but you can get the same game feel or better back by replacing those combo actions on your hotbar with new shiny ogcds and such. Granted they actually have to give them to us.

My addiction outside 14 has always been high execution fighting game stuff. I love, love pressing a lot of buttons, and doing motion inputs. I also think games with one button special inputs can be just as fun and creative to play, just as stimulating. It's different, but it's not worse or better. It's just different. And it's just the input phase of the game. The game is way more than pressing buttons.

Ideally 14 is testing your movement, resource management, team player awareness, environmental awareness, etc while also seeing if you can keep your GCDs on time and weave oGCDs correctly while understanding your job and role. Compressing abilities onto less buttons should not be seen as a demon taking away player expression or skill.

But the fact you feel threatened by that change should make you realize how little actual player expression and skill was left if you miss what is seriously just button bloat pretending to be an interesting rotation.

The only thing that throws me off with the current ability compression is how "buff button -> attack button" because I typically had my buffs in one part of the hot bar and my attacks somewhere else, so it kept throwing me off that some of my attacks were locked behind a specific buff instead of always being available.

So now there's like, attacks in the middle of where I place my buffs, and even if I separate them into two different buttons, it still trips me up because I sometimes instinctively try to push/click certain attacks not realizing they're not ready. It's probably just a muscle memory issue though.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Following this logic, we may as well give everyone a button that awards everyone with all the loot, titles, achievements and glamours, instantly.

It wouldn't affect you, right? You can always do things the slow way!

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what does this have to do with letting people have the option to have enshroud/communio and plentiful harvest/arcane circle share the same button? did you have a stroke and or a seizure reading my post?

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Might as well turn the game into a visual novel at this point.

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Oh no the age old fear that pressing 1 1 might be easier than pressing 1 2. Such lofty heights of skill and precision needed!

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Might as well turn the game into a visual novel at this point.

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What difference does it make to press 3 seperate buttons for something one button can do? Especially if it's just your basic 1-2-3 combo that you won't be fucking up anyway.