7.0 Expert dungeons are a step in the right direction.

These are fun, engaging, and fast-paced.

The mechanics are also interesting, though none are particularly innovative.

That's not a huge problem because they're using them in a way that makes the bosses feel different from each other and isn't just in/out, spread/stack etc.

They are punishing, but I think this is firmly a positive step in the right direction.

There are also hints of the developers trying to make trash mobs interesting: Tender Valley has a few mobs with AoE autos, which can damage nearby party members pretty quickly. Deadwalk has two large dolls doing Slapstick, an AoE pulse.

These are good, and these are steps in the right direction.

Haven't unlocked them yet but glad to hear they're harder. I found valigarmader pretty challenging and even died a few times. Same on the 2nd dng last boss. A+

Hope people don't complain and make them boring again
having to use your brain in roulettes again is a welcome thing to hear

For all the shit i'm giving to the story and all the reused assets, the children themed ambiance and characters in every way, i think they delivered in the dungeon and Trial department at least.

But i'm already encountering people leaving the haunted / luigi's mansion dungeon in expert roulette and most of the time these people deciding to quit that dungeon, are saying they are going to go out of their way to avoid it at any cost, that's sad, it's one of my favorites ! Heh.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is an Expert Dungeon? I've been playing for some years yet this is the first time I read that term, and I feel stupid lol.

It's basically the post game dungeons or the latest dungeons they add in patched content.

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Pardon my ignorance, but what is an Expert Dungeon? I've been playing for some years yet this is the first time I read that term, and I feel stupid lol.

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Expert Dungeons are the max level Dungeons you generally find in Expert Roulette, the current 2-3 Dungeons with current Gear requirements.

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For all the shit i'm giving to the story and all the reused assets, the children themed ambiance and characters in every way, i think they delivered in the dungeon and Trial department at least.

But i'm already encountering people leaving the haunted / luigi's mansion dungeon in expert roulette and most of the time these people deciding to quit that dungeon, are saying they are going to go out of their way to avoid it at any cost, that's sad, it's one of my favorites ! Heh.

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Luigi's Mansion was definitely one of the hardest dungeons to learn the first time. I've done it once, and I kept getting screwed, but thanks to tank privilege and a patient healer who took good care of everyone, we pulled through with no wipes.

I just did the lvl 95 dungeon and the final boss was very fun in terms of difficulty, mechanics and setting. It was a breath of fresh air.

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For all the shit i'm giving to the story and all the reused assets, the children themed ambiance and characters in every way, i think they delivered in the dungeon and Trial department at least.

But i'm already encountering people leaving the haunted / luigi's mansion dungeon in expert roulette and most of the time these people deciding to quit that dungeon, are saying they are going to go out of their way to avoid it at any cost, that's sad, it's one of my favorites ! Heh.

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that dungeon fucking blows, and it's all because of the first boss. as a melee if you get touched once its just over. feels so fucking bad being bound for like 3 seconds and not being able to attack for like 8, and on top of that those little add guys will dive for you even when you think you dodged them

I do agree, dungeons are trials this xpac have been great so far

God this. So much this. They pissed me off a little at first, but in a good way. It's nice when a boss fight feels threatening, even if it is just learning curve to a degree.

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that dungeon fucking blows, and it's all because of the first boss. as a melee if you get touched once its just over. feels so fucking bad being bound for like 3 seconds and not being able to attack for like 8, and on top of that those little add guys will dive for you even when you think you dodged them

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I really can't feel bad for melee given how easy you all had it for EW. Positioning is supposed to be one of the difficulties you have to deal with in exchange for having high damage and no castbar.

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God this. So much this. They pissed me off a little at first, but in a good way. It's nice when a boss fight feels threatening, even if it is just learning curve to a degree.



I really can't feel bad for melee given how easy you all had it for EW. Positioning is supposed to be one of the difficulties you have to deal with in exchange for having high damage and no castbar.

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To be fair, that boss sucks on casters too. Rest of the dungeons have been better than anything EW offered, but that particular boss is dreadful

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To be fair, that boss sucks on casters too. Rest of the dungeons have been better than anything EW offered, but that particular boss is dreadful

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Oh God don't I know it. I'm doing them as Black Mage. Even with that though, I think melee have it worse on the first boss. When I was doing the first boss the second time I found hovering a quarter of the way off the edge was reasonably good placement to avoid the mobs and get to do rotation unmolested for a few globals. That's not really an option for melee.

One life hack for that boss--the add's hitbox is really small. If you go between them as soon as they move you should be fine.