How 2.0 Primal Fights Should be.

Hello, it's me again, your lovely Rokien.

So, we all know that each primal fight is going to be instanced in 2.0. I don't think it should be that way. Now that the primals are going to be out in the open, that's where they should fight, in the open world itself. Or I should say, they should bring their battle grounds to the open world. Lets take ifrit(most everyone should be familiar with the ifrit fight), right now we fight ifrit in the "Bowl of Embers". Which is an awesome battle field. What if we take that battle field(the ring of fire part) and place it in the open world. That would be pretty cool right? You claim Ifrit in the open, and as soon as you claim him he will spawn that bowl of embers in the open world leaving the ones who claim him inside. Not only is this a very dynamic feature(which I don't know how possible it would be), the battle field will change depending on where you claim the beast.
As a random adventure running about. It would be and awesome sight to see as well. Out in the distance you see fire, you are like "What is this!?!" you run up and see an epic fight going about.

Now lets say you claim ifrit in a snowy area, maybe he could be weaker, less health or less damage. On the contrary if you capture ifrit in a firey area, he will be stronger, or maybe he will do more moves.

Now, you people are going to be like "I don't wanna sit and watch a fight", you don't have to, in fact, you can just walk away, because you would be doing the same thing if you couldn't see the fight(instanced).

Lets say said group fails, should ifrit jump in the air and run off, making it where you have to search for em, OR should he just stay there and let the next group claim em, if they can?

Please discuss, hate, do whatever. Thanks!

Maybe if we catch ifrit at pony land it will shit rainbow.

How I envisioned it was something similar to how Dark Ixion worked in XI. Even if a group loses for example you can't just immediately claim him as he's running away to a new zone without a certain item.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Maybe if we catch ifrit at pony land it will shit rainbow.

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Maybe if you ever had anything useful to say, we might get somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

How I envisioned it was something similar to how Dark Ixion worked in XI. Even if a group loses for example you can't just immediately claim him as he's running away to a new zone without a certain item.

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Ya, I kinda put that their in the bottom
"Lets say said group fails, should ifrit jump in the air and run off, making it where you have to search for em...."

Me personally I would like it if he ran away. Though I left it as a question to see what people would like best.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Maybe if you ever had anything useful to say, we might get somewhere.

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But he loves Justin Bieber....

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(which I don't know how possible it would be)

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Game, set, match. Programmer-wise, would be extremely difficult

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Now, you people are going to be like "I don't wanna sit and watch a fight", you don't have to, in fact, you can just walk away, because you would be doing the same thing if you couldn't see the fight(instanced).

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i see 2 major problem with this:
1) popping the area after claim is asking for griefing and glitch, since potentially another pt can come nearer before engaging and ifrit should deal with 2 different group instead one
2) if someone comes too near, potentially coul be hitted by some aoe

seriusly, i'm bored of this topic every times it come up. If you're so willing to see an interactive movie when someone kill a primal, just ask to istance primal fight like leve quests: everyone can see it, but nobody else touch it

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ya, I kinda put that their in the bottom
"Lets say said group fails, should ifrit jump in the air and run off, making it where you have to search for em...."

Me personally I would like it if he ran away. Though I left it as a question to see what people would like best.

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and they probably already do :|

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Game, set, match. Programmer-wise, would be extremely difficult


i see 2 major problem with this:
1) popping the area after claim is asking for griefing and glitch, since potentially another pt can come nearer before engaging and ifrit should deal with 2 different group instead one
2) if someone comes too near, potentially coul be hitted by some aoe

seriusly, i'm bored of this topic every times it come up. If you're so willing to see an interactive movie when someone kill a primal, just ask to istance primal fight like leve quests: everyone can see it, but nobody else touch it

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1. what?
2. That would be fun, and their fault?

What?

it's actualli pretty clear

-let's say ifrit it's unclaimed and he pop an arena after claim as you like. With this, 3 alliance can move near hime while a 4° alliance claim it, resulting in 72 persons hitting ifrit. Totally right, no ?
-it isn't fun at all, even if it's their fault

Do you know like work leve quests ? Ok, ask primal fight like that, so you can see your primal in open world while being in fact istanced. Was so difficult to understand ?

What if the primals are wandering through a tight spaced area, how would the ring be formed in a tunnel for example? What if 2 groups are on top of each other, would they get trapped in the ring? Would every primal form a ring? Lol, and by ring I mean Ifrit's ring of fire or "bowl". Obviously, the fights need to be enclosed so that you can't exploit any mechanics, but even then, what if the ring is formed around exploitable terrain? AV anyone? I mean, the primals are confirmed to wander around all over the continent...

I imagine the fights will be instanced to avoid that headache.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Do you know like work leve quests ? Ok, ask primal fight like that, so you can see your primal in open world while being in fact istanced. Was so difficult to understand ?

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Apparently it is for you, because that's pretty much what he's asking for lol, either that or you didn't read the OP.

On-topic though, it's a cool idea, but:

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Originally Posted by Nikita

What if the primals are wandering through a tight spaced area, how would the ring be formed in a tunnel for example? What if 2 groups are on top of each other, would they get trapped in the ring? Would every primal form a ring? Lol, and by ring I mean Ifrit's ring of fire or "bowl". Obviously, the fights need to be enclosed so that you can't exploit any mechanics, but even then, what if the ring is formed around exploitable terrain? AV anyone? I mean, the primals are confirmed to wander around all over the continent...

I imagine the fights will be instanced to avoid that headache.

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pretty much this.

That other game that shall not be mentioned, had problems with people using bots to claim roaming NMs(HNMs/etc).

How would they combat that?

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Originally Posted by Rau

That other game that shall not be mentioned, had problems with people using bots to claim roaming NMs(HNMs/etc).

How would they combat that?

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Getting rid of those Linkshells that congregate to the forums that shan't be named rather than sitting and watching and kicking their asses a year later. :3

Well, different scenario but can only do so much about that, since humans hate playing fair by nature when they can be greedy. Clearly he has something in mind since he pretty much decided to make them roam.

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Originally Posted by Rau

That other game that shall not be mentioned, had problems with people using bots to claim roaming NMs(HNMs/etc).

How would they combat that?

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They are already going to be a claim war, I don't see your point.

As for the tight spaces, idk, just don't claim em when he is in a tight spot ;P. Though, that's part of the randomness that should be in open world content.

As for exploits and stuff, SE will just have to fix em.