FFXI-FFXIV Besieged

Whats FFXI Besieged?

Enter a part of a city and beastmen enemies come from the outside and attack other NPCs and try to take claim of part of your city, limiting your special bonuses you may have. Enemies come in as waves. Think of it as large scale hamlet.

More info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISjzJRTkUA

Now these ideas are my own.

FFXIV Besieged

Every starting City will have a Besieged Area.

South Ul'dah
North Shroud
North Limb

These areas aren't linked with the main city we are walking around now, these will be extra zones that will open when there is a event time.

Each of these areas can be attacked by Garlean's & Beastmen of there region.

DoL can summit items that appear ??? when a enemy dies. Boosts NPC attacks.

DoH can repair walls and summit bonuses to NPC's.

DoW/DoM can battle enemies.

How to win...? Stay alive for 50mins or slay all enemies or leader boss.

How to lose... Enemies will try to kill major npc's and try to claim the special Aethright.

(What happens if we lose Aethright? Lose Free Airship and Anima gainned in Hamlet/Auto Anima gain is smaller and slower. You also lose the special Aethright and will need to obatin it as a server from there stronghold.) (This only effects the Region and what Grand Company you are with.)

Taking back Special Aethright... will be in a room guarded by some hard lv50-99 mobs. These enemies do not heal back once you damage them. These Enemies are in "Battlefield" areas like Ifrit/Garuda. Only 8~??18? can enter in.

New type of points to be used to buy new gear & be able to convert into seals.
Feeds more Hamlet points into the hamlet point before it starts up again. Will be needed for lv3+ Hamlet runs. Players can also get Small kidney stones & w/e from this.

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Lv45+ Only

Let bunch of servers enter this zone. 2 servers per room, change server selection-random.

Highlight/Bold other players names that are from another sever ingame.

50-100 player limit.

Event triggers every day, mostly triggers at random, based on at enemy strongholds. NM kills/Enemy kills/ etc.

Remove Trade/Bazzer/(Bazzer Repair also) options.

Would be awesome in 2.0

More like massive-lag-and-super-random-disconnects-sieged. Call me when 2.0's game engine is confirmed as capable of handling the large number of objects and players Besieged would have involved. Until then, no thanks.

Note: I understand the desire for something large scale like Besieged, but MMOs simply have not been able to handle such a thing in all the years I've been playing them. Lineage II castle sieges were super lagtastic and horrible fps. WoW's sole large scale event, the opening of the gates of Ahn'Qiraj, also created super lag, random DCs, getting killed by stuff that couldn't even load on the screen and so on. FFXI fared no better because of the shenannigans that took place in Besieged, including random DCs, not getting credit for the battle, zone lockouts and getting killed by stuff that hadn't even loaded on your screen.

I'd love content like FFXI's Besiedge or Campaign, that you could jump into at any time, leave at anytime and did not require a party.

It could easily be done and have GC seals as a reward

Hamlet....Defense....?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Hamlet....Defense....?

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Is nothing like Beseidge at all

Isn't that what Ishgard Dragon Defense will be?

I remember thinking this is what hamlet defense was going to be like.

And to think I was excited for Hamlet Defense...

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Originally Posted by Duelle

More like massive-lag-and-super-random-disconnects-sieged. Call me when 2.0's game engine is confirmed as capable of handling the large number of objects and players Besieged would have involved. Until then, no thanks.

Note: I understand the desire for something large scale like Besieged, but MMOs simply have not been able to handle such a thing in all the years I've been playing them. Lineage II castle sieges were super lagtastic and horrible fps. WoW's sole large scale event, the opening of the gates of Ahn'Qiraj, also created super lag, random DCs, getting killed by stuff that couldn't even load on the screen and so on. FFXI fared no better because of the shenannigans that took place in Besieged, including random DCs, not getting credit for the battle, zone lockouts and getting killed by stuff that hadn't even loaded on your screen.

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Let's work to find a way to put "Massively" back in MMO's.

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Originally Posted by Fear

I'd love content like FFXI's Besiedge or Campaign, that you could jump into at any time, leave at anytime and did not require a party.

It could easily be done and have GC seals as a reward

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^100%
I loved Campaign in XI. And getting GC seals for taking part in it would be great!

While the idea is awesome, hence why t was fun in ffxi, this would actually fix problems, and cause problems. By making this on all 3 nations people may take part, but again they'd probably gnore limsa and grid a fair bit.

The problem with Beseiged mainly was that the rewards were limited, Seals would be appropriate to fix this, the second was the OP attacks killing you from mobs you can;t see. From what Yoshi has said about the engine it might, might just eb able to handle this type of fight correctly. And with dynamic lowering of system specs to render even more models on screen it may be actually a very very good event.

I always liked besieged in FF11. It was an event that was fun enough to join even if the rewards were lower than other things you could manage to do in an hour.

It would be great if there was a way to implement something like it in FF14. In FF11, the lag wasn't really as much of an issue as the poor framerate you would get as a combination of many 3D models and poor graphics optimization for PC. If FF14 will run as efficiently as they're making it sound, I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Hamlet....Defense....?

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You wish it was as good and open ended as Besieged was. I recall out of the 400-710 people who were fighting in Besieged not once did you have people tell DRG or MNK to gtfo the content xD.

It would have been a helluva lot better if it was like Besieged or even Campaign given it uses a score system.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

More like massive-lag-and-super-random-disconnects-sieged.

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Thats what I remember about it....

omg the horror of a thousand people in the same zone in close quarters fighting at the same time

Isn't too bad. really depends on the scale of the area. If area big enough then spreading out the people isnt a problem.

also FFXI had player-area limitations. Think its 80 now.

Maybe instead of lots of lag. they could create more zones or only let players do random waves then get kicked out. Like say those 50players cant rejoin until 10mins afterwords the next fight.


Wave1 50 mobs plus 1-2 bosses
Wave2 50 mobs plus 1-2 bosses
Wave3 mobs plus 1-2 bosses

they could always cap it at say 24-32 players and have multiple instances might be something good for an alliance system when it is in place.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Thats what I remember about it....

omg the horror of a thousand people in the same zone in close quarters fighting at the same time

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you must not have no fun not at all nope.

I remember the only issue with 710 people Besieges I had was finding mobs to fight lol. Not because of character limitation but because before they adjusted it you could bulldoze most mobs but specific beastmen (usually the lesser fauna like lizards/some puks etc).

1 Blue Mage Mamool Ja ended over 420 people with Flame Breath.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You wish it was as good and open ended as Besieged was. I recall out of the 400-710 people who were fighting in Besieged not once did you have people tell DRG or MNK to gtfo the content xD.

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SMACK DOWN!

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Originally Posted by Rokien

you must not have no fun not at all nope.

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Because random DC's, you not getting credit for the battle and dying to things that havent even loaded on the screen is so much fun, amirite?

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Because random DC's, you not getting credit for the battle and dying to things that havent even loaded on the screen is so much fun, amirite?

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Only 360 had a DC problem from what I remember. Only people that crashed on PC were due to a Windower Plugin failing during that encounter (which was later fixed.)

PS2 players I don't recall having many DC problems with Besieged, but did with Campaign (as did 360 users the first 6 months.)

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More like massive-lag-and-super-random-disconnects-sieged.

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all depends on the server, other games have done it. FFXI was made way before the idea of large scale stuff was done so it suffered from lag.

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Because random DC's, you not getting credit for the battle and dying to things that havent even loaded on the screen is so much fun, amirite?

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thats an excuse all online games will have DC's its just part of playing online.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Only 360 had a DC problem from what I remember. Only people that crashed on PC were due to a Windower Plugin failing during that encounter (which was later fixed.)

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I played on PC, and was still subject to random DCs and the game crashing due to exceeding the limits the game had. Loss of fps was not bad, but instead you had a delay in actions registering with the server because of how strained the game engine was by beseiged. Whatever stress tests SE ran before launching it were clearly not enough.

I think I only seen a delay in actions with Undead Swarm for some reason, I guess due to the way they work in nature the game was freaking out.

I had a lot of fun in Besieged, but it would be great if they had something like this in FFXIV minus the lag.
Also maybe restrict it so you can only join your GC town's beseiged. It would make people actually go to Limsa and Gridania every once in a while.

No thanks. How about something not recycled from any game. Besieged is too close to Hamlet Defense anyway.

Unique content?