What will happen to dated items and dated material ?

So dated items will be completely revomed from players with 2.0, same goes for material that is no longer in use - or whats gonna happen to these things ? They should definietly vanish, well imo. :confused: No more "Dated" in 2.0 please.

They'll slowly vanish as people toss em/sell em to npc since they can't be remade.

Yep they will be phased out by simple item churn. The process is already well under way. Its already impossible to make some of the dated gear as materials to make them have been removed from circulation.

Dated gear will remain in game as a reminder of by gone times. I do how ever think that listings for dated gear should be pruned judiciously from the ward listings.

For those of you wondering what will happen to dated items in A Realm Reborn, Yoshi-P wanted us to let you all know that we will be making an announcement once the direction and specifics have been decided, based off all of your feedback of course. :)

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

For those of you wondering what will happen to dated items in A Realm Reborn, Yoshi-P wanted us to let you all know that we will be making an announcement once the direction and specifics have been decided, based off all of your feedback of course. :)

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Keep them all in ARR.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

Keep them all in ARR.

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I tend to leave the past behind. Leaving "Dated" gear just confuses new players.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I tend to leave the past behind. Leaving "Dated" gear just confuses new players.

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Best of both worlds, reintegrate the "dated" gear into the game and drop the dated title. No one would have to know!

What I mean by that, if you have "dated iron plate cuirass" remove the "dated" and update the recipe to current (ARR) standards.

I'm with Griss, doesn't matter to me what happens as long as the stupid dated gear can't be listed in the markets.

Reintegrating them is a good idea too though.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I'm with Griss, doesn't matter to me what happens as long as the stupid dated gear can't be listed in the markets.

Reintegrating them is a good idea too though.

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I'm fairly biased, as I made some dated gear back in 2010... :P I can't imagine SE would keep any dated materials (since they would have no use)

I don't know what kind of database transfer they'll do with the new server, but I feel all the Dated recipes shouldn't be carried over. The easiest way would be to handle dated items like the Guild Marks; they disappear in ARR. That gives people time to try to sell them on the MW or vendor them before the servers go down. Keeping the Dated items in ARR will just serve to confuse new players.

you'll have to pry my Dated Tarred Walking Hat off my cold dead head

I say just get rid of them (with an announcement beforehand of course, so people can NPC/spiritbond/etc what they need to).

I agree that it's confusing keeping them, especially because their stats aren't balanced at all with the direction the team wants to take equipment. By now, most people are probably using regular gear anyway.

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Originally Posted by Akubikumo

you'll have to pry my Dated Tarred Walking Hat off my cold dead head

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You'll be frozen beyond time, unable to move. I doubt you'll be able to fight back for anything they decide to do.

Wait... that just went south.

You know what? Be thankful if taking their hat is all they do... *shiver*

I think all useless materials should go, and dated things should be unable to be made...BUT, that all currently existing dated items should remain in the game. Some of my favorite gear is 'dated', and a lot of my low level gear is dated. I paid plenty of gil for a lot of my dated items, and I've got a bunch of dated stuff that I sell to people looking to make it into materia.

With dated items no longer craftable, and being materia convertible, dated items will slowly phase themselves out of the game without them needed to be removed from the start of 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I don't know what kind of database transfer they'll do with the new server, but I feel all the Dated recipes shouldn't be carried over. The easiest way would be to handle dated items like the Guild Marks; they disappear in ARR. That gives people time to try to sell them on the MW or vendor them before the servers go down. Keeping the Dated items in ARR will just serve to confuse new players.

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Why does everyone thing new players will be so confused? One, people aren't THAT stupid... Its something they can learn in like 2 seconds. Besides that, they could just as easily add an annotation to the description of all dated gear, with a brief explanation of what 'dated' means. And the dated gear will slowly phase out by people's natural tendency to convert and NPC them.

That way they don't need to piss any of the current players off.

If you DO get rid of dated gear, I think anyone still in possession of anything 'dated' during the transfer should have their dated stuff converted into current stuff. I don't want to have to go rebuy my coatees (THE BLACK ONE, OF WHICH IS NOW UNAVAILABLE NON-DATED, AARGH!!) and my best gathering gear, etc. I should either get to keep them or have them automatically replaced with current stuff.

I have a few dated items that have some extreme sentimental value attached ... I'd prefer to not lose them.

The red magnifiers I made with the gold dust from killing LV99 goblins with old friends is one of my favorite piece of equipment, period.

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Originally Posted by Neomarl

Keep them all in ARR.

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Why? As much as I love my Dated Leather Espadrilles, these items are a waste of space and they said long ago that they would be removing them. It should be everybodies expectation at this point for such a thing to take place.

If anything, there should maybe be a few weeks given where we can go trade in dated gear to an NPC for something or other, so those with a lot of stuff can feel like it wasn't just lost or sold to an NPC for pennies.

I hope they keep the dated items, I like my dated bronze goggles (black)!

I say:
- trash the dated gear;
- replace them with better "optimal level" gear (not required level).

@ The Rukki Kitty

#DeleteTheDated

I would really like to see dated items get destroyed along with the world.

I could see it being very confusing to new players as well.
I guess you could go the route of keeping the dated items but taking out all the synths to make them. But that would make dated items crazy rare and that would not be good.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

For those of you wondering what will happen to dated items in A Realm Reborn, Yoshi-P wanted us to let you all know that we will be making an announcement once the direction and specifics have been decided, based off all of your feedback of course. :)

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Well if they make it all disappear then they need to compensate people for all the Dated pieces of gear they have. I have several dated items some I would like to hang onto. Reintegration would be the optimal choice especially since we won't be using the same game client. Just replace dated gear at character swap time with the normal gear.

keep dated items but remove the recipes.

I am definitely interested in how they will re-allocate these items... because like several players on this thread, I have a couple dated items that are of extremely high sentimental value to me. Actually, one of the very first crafted items I ever crafted for myself on FFXIV is my Dated Sheepskin Moccasins, which I still have to this very moment.

Heck, here's proof that I still rock those stomping boots cuz of how well they go with my "Desert Sky-Pirate" attire... (don't ask, it's a personal Atreides thing)...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...1344136055.jpg

So yeah, if you try to pry them from me, I WILL bite your kneecaps...(specialized skill I learnt from Tarutarus on FFXI)

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

I am definitely interested in how they will re-allocate these items... because like several players on this thread, I have a couple dated items that are of extremely high sentimental value to me. Actually, one of the very first crafted items I ever crafted for myself on FFXIV is my Dated Sheepskin Moccasins, which I still have to this very moment.

Heck, I still rock those stomping boots cuz of how well they go with my "Desert Sky-Pirate" attire... (don't ask, it's a personal Atreides thing)

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...1344136055.jpg

So yeah, if the you try to pry them from me, I WILL bite your kneecaps...(specialized skill I learnt from Tarutarus on FFXI)

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Yeah, I basically want them for the inevitable dressing room in FFXIV.

I'm against doing away with the dated gear. Leave it in-game, remove the materials and recipes needed to make them. Some items as it stands don't even have current counterparts. A prime example is the sandals. We have sandals of varying colors which resemble the default footwear. There aren't any updated recipes for these items. There's several more examples too. Items like shoes (Sheepskin, Leather, Toadskin.) don't go past a certain level. What happened? We have no recipe replacements for these. Gowns barring the Ul'dahn Gown cannot be used until the 40's. Same goes for culottes. As for new players a simple fix is prevent these items from being sold in the wards/auction house/whatever they use. Items can be traded between players, put in up personal bazaars but cannot be listed for sale in other means. Removing the equipment can also hinder returning players the greatest.

What if someone quit before the new recipes came out? All their equipment is now dated and if they delete the dated equipment it will leave them with no gear. How is that fair? Some might have even been using gear not equippable by their class/level so if it's just replaced then it'll probably be unequipped and remain useless. Imagine this:

You stop playing the game before the newer recipes come out so your gear is dated. ARR arrives and you think "Hey, looks like the game has changed! I'll give it another try!" and reactivate your account. You go through, select your character and first thing you see is you're completely naked. All your equipment is gone. You have little gil and can't afford to go buy all new equipment right now and all your current equipment is either gone or been replaced with stuff you possibly cannot use or is generic. In some simple case if they delete the gear you're looking at returning characters likely being garbed in their racial clothing instead.

Now unless SE is going to carefully go through each and every player to give them updated equivalent gear to replace what they're losing it's a real downfall. Current game designs is what hinders them from adding in complete replacements for every piece of gear (I can't remember where but I know Yoshi-P commented on this regarding limitations.) but I don't see ARR having this problem being built upon a whole new engine. Overall, removing this equipment I feel would do more harm than any good really. If you look at some games (Everquest Online Adventures is an example.) there was some equipment that could be obtained for a certain period of time that later became obsolete or no longer dropped/was obtainable for whatever reason. These pieces of gear became depending on their stats rare and sought after.

Apart from looks and functionality just about every aspect of dated gear is surpassed by current, newer pieces of equipment. So FFXIV shouldn't have to suffer from something like this. I'm getting this post longer than I intended so I'm going to stop here.

tl;dr version:

1.) Keep the dated gear.
2.) Removing it affects returning players the most.
3.) Keeping it around has no effect on anyone.

Remove it, its confusing and waters down the already large enough list of craft-able gear for a game that technically is still in beta and hasnt released yet.

There are so many unique armor models that won't exist if they remove dated gear, I'm strongly against totally scrapping the gear. There's no harm in leaving it as long as it is non-AHable, anyone thinking it takes up valuable "space" is confused, the models are still going to be there, as many are used on NPCs (and many of them should be used in new gear, since right now low level gear options are lacking, and new players are not going to be as tolerant of this) so an item is reduced down to a few strings, in total the dated gear probably takes up a megabyte of memory, and that's a liberal estimate.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

The easiest way would be to handle dated items like the Guild Marks; they disappear in ARR..

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So, players like myself who've played since closed beta and have a 'Legacy' account, but haven't felt inclined to grind away at recent content to get 'current' gear, find our characters naked with no gear come ARR?

Good way to treat us. :|

As long as it's not listable in AH/wards, they can stay. I dont care if they clutter others inventory space since it's none of my business.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I tend to leave the past behind. Leaving "Dated" gear just confuses new players.

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I like to confuse new player !! go for it se keep them in the game

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

So, players like myself who've played since closed beta and have a 'Legacy' account, but haven't felt inclined to grind away at recent content to get 'current' gear, find our characters naked with no gear come ARR?

Good way to treat us. :|

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You only have dated gear o.o? I think it might be good to consider getting some of the new equipment that has been released since then. I always thought some of the fun was getting new equipment occassionally.

Hopefully you have at least a few pieces of non-dated gear so you can be decent when ARRRRrr comes out.

I don't want to lose my HQ pink gear :/ The (red) ones are just not the same.

PLEASE don't just do away with dated gear! Amaranth brings up a good point...I've kept some of my dated gear the way it is without selling or converting it because it's a specific color and/or something that isn't available in non-dated form! It would be nice if you could at least give us back/give us new recipes to make non-dated versions of the things we don't want to lose!

I honestly would prefer that they deleted every dated gear and recipe coupled with them. Even though I'm carrying a few pieces still in my inventory. However, that does not mean I'm really looking forward to it. For the next simple reason.

Not all dated gear are available in the current recipes like some people have mentioned here. Being it their looks or color palette. I don't want to lose some of my coatees and mocassins, because for some reason S-E thought it to be a good idea to make new recipes but remove some of the colors or appearance of them.

To conclude. I really would be behind the decision to remove them all if they find a way to include those missing equips/colors into the new recipes.

I would go with Getty rid of it all and giving the players with it in their inventory give them Gil for it when they come back in ARR

I only have a few dated items I'm keeping. Mostly the pink Coatee and robe sets also my black robe set with the dated black tights with crafting stats. Until they bring out the same sets in the same color, I hope we get to keep them. I love my pink linen level 50 coatee set ^^

I vote to remove the ability to craft and sell/trade dated gear, but leave the current dated gear already out there so the players that have it can enjoy it if they want to hold onto it.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of the dated recipes except for the fact that there are very few grinding recipes for certain classes if you take them away. I am working very hard to get my complete set of luminary crafting tools for this reason.

Allow players to keep them but make them untradeable and remove the recipes.