We need a polling system in the game

Before you get your forks out, runescape has this and it works really well.

Basically. The poll booths can be found in all major cities in the game, upon login your notified there's a poll going on and your asked to vote. This vote is typically about adding new content or a new skill or new changes. Accounts are regulated to make sure votes can't be manipulated


Typically for a new skill (job) 3 suggestions are offered with a small amount of detail. The players vote based on that and the official jagex videos with further detail and then the highest vote wins. If 2 votes are close like 60/40. Then the second option is also considered.

This system allows developers to get constructive tangible feedback from the community with numbers. If something isn't liked.. its removed. I think the ffxiv devs should add this system to dawntrial because rn it feels very out of touch with the community

Wouldn't that just anger everyone, like the yearly Minecraft mob vote does? That and I feel like it might just create animosity between different regions because it seems we want very different things.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

Wouldn't that just anger everyone, like the yearly Minecraft mob vote does?

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tangible means of leaving feedback would anger everyone? what? how are you supposed to communicate you're not happy about something then? pray some youtuber sees your forum post...

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That and I feel like it might just create animosity between different regions because it seems we want very different things.

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firstly, i dont think thats true. theres plenty of evidence JP are unhappy about the same things we are
secondly. consensus is key. even if we have different ideas. the majority would win

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

tangible means of leaving feedback would anger everyone? what? how are you supposed to communicate you're not happy about something then? pray some youtuber sees your forum post...



firstly, i dont think thats true. theres plenty of evidence JP are unhappy about the same things we are
secondly. consensus is key. even if we have different ideas. the majority would win

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The Minecraft mob vote always leads to great disappointment and anger because the people who voted for the options that didn't win are, quite understandably, upset. Especially if it's close. Look, I would LOVE to have a way to give direct feedback, but polls that pick which jobs to add? Absolutely not. That way lies madness.

Just browsing the first page of the forums has shown me that JP disagrees on a lot of things. A huge chunk of them are fine with healers being 1-1-1 bots and they like genderlocked gear. Sure, there are a lot of things we all agree on, but we also disagree on a lot of them. While we already complain that SE only listens to JP, they complain that SE only listens to EN. If there was actual, tangible proof of the poll results and you could actually say "we didn't implement the job JP wanted because EN picked a different one" or vice versa, that would cause a huge mess.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

The Minecraft mob vote always leads to great disappointment and anger because the people who voted for the options that didn't win are, quite understandably, upset. Especially if it's close. Look, I would LOVE to have a way to give direct feedback, but polls that pick which jobs to add? Absolutely not. That way lies madness.

Just browsing the first page of the forums has shown me that JP disagrees on a lot of things. A huge chunk of them are fine with healers being 1-1-1 bots and they like genderlocked gear. Sure, there are a lot of things we all agree on, but we also disagree on a lot of them. While we already complain that SE only listens to JP, they complain that SE only listens to EN. If there was actual, tangible proof of the poll results and you could actually say "we didn't implement the job JP wanted because EN picked a different one" or vice versa, that would cause a huge mess.

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The Minecraft mob vote always leads to great disappointment and anger because the people who voted for the options that didn't win are, quite understandably, upset.

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bro its the minecraft community, arent most of them children/.

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Players aged 15 to 21 make up the largest group of Minecraft's player base at 43%

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A huge chunk of them are fine with healers being 1-1-1 bots and they like genderlocked gear.

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this is flat out untrue lol. we read the same form posts and both of them show players liking and disliking it. you cannot use extrapolated evidence for this kind of data collecting

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That way lies madness.

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viper was made because the mob was demanding a kirito job, so... https://www.gamesradar.com/games/fin...f-overpowered/

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"we didn't implement the job JP wanted because EN picked a different one"

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i really dont think the cultural divide is this deep, i think the idea it is is perpetuated by a %age of the playerbase looking to blame Something when they dont get skills they want

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Before you get your forks out, runescape has this and it works really well.

Basically. The poll booths can be found in all major cities in the game, upon login your notified there's a poll going on and your asked to vote. This vote is typically about adding new content or a new skill or new changes. Accounts are regulated to make sure votes can't be manipulated


Typically for a new skill (job) 3 suggestions are offered with a small amount of detail. The players vote based on that and the official jagex videos with further detail and then the highest vote wins. If 2 votes are close like 60/40. Then the second option is also considered.

This system allows developers to get constructive tangible feedback from the community with numbers. If something isn't liked.. its removed. I think the ffxiv devs should add this system to dawntrial because rn it feels very out of touch with the community

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Soon as I saw the title I though of RS.

However I do think it's a good idea for player feedback- I've had a few questionnaires over the years but my friends didn't get one from SE. I think they need to hey back in touch with their player base

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Originally Posted by DivineP

Soon as I saw the title I though of RS.

However I do think it's a good idea for player feedback- I've had a few questionnaires over the years but my friends didn't get one from SE. I think they need to hey back in touch with their player base

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its 1 of these system's its so basic they can just put it in as it is and it does it function.

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Originally Posted by DivineP

However I do think it's a good idea for player feedback- I've had a few questionnaires over the years but my friends didn't get one from SE. I think they need to hey back in touch with their player base

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I think it’s a good idea… I don’t know that I’d want it to be majority rule votes on things like game features, at least not at first, but more of a way for them to get more feedback from people who are actually in-game, playing the game. They say they use the forums as feedback, but a lot of people playing don’t bother coming here. In-game polls would more accurately reflect the player base, assuming people participate.

Any good poll would also have an “other” option, and a text box with a high enough character limit to actually write what you want to say.

Honestly, they are better off doing these at PLLs/Fanfests etc., than what they would be doing it specifically in-game.

Polling can work the only problem I have is that the information may not be conveyed in the best way e.g., because it needs to go through translation, and then there's the whole situation of people may not necessarily understand the change or the implication of said change.

Yall remember the valentione's event? The end of the nier raids?

Getting personalized qualitative recounts of play experiences > getting direction based on players' interpretations of various localizers' interpretation of a limited pool of possible ways players might feel about certain game aspects with no room for nuance.

Players do not make good game development choices.

The history of the Old School Runescape Polls is a massive rabbit hole that OP has completely glossed over.

The provided example for a new skill was exactly one poll in the game's history. Almost every other poll is a Yes/No question asking about whether the devs should make a particular change. In XIV's terms, this would be literally every change that is mentioned in the patch notes requiring a 70% Yes vote to be implemented.

Since the polls can be voted on by anyone with a small amount of game time played, changes that would only affect small portions of the playerbase can be affected by players who have never even touched that content. In Runescape's case, this led to years of neglect for PVP, which would almost be a guaranteed victim of this system in XIV. This also means that every adjustment to jobs can be voted on by the entire playerbase.

It is hardly worth elaborating further on the potential flaws of this system because OSRS and XIV are just not remotely similar games. You would have to completely change the content cycles of XIV in order to have players vote on new additions like they do in OSRS. The more important thing to leave with is OP's claim that this system "provides tangible feedback for the developers."

It actually does not. This is a system purely meant to cater to that game's target audience who successfully managed to win a legacy version of the game once the original had changed far too much from what they enjoyed about it. The system holds the developers in check from wildly changing the 2007 version of Runescape that is so beloved. They actually receive their feedback by communicating with their community via dev logs, responding to questions on Twitter, and showing that they read their subreddit and forums. (And the only reason this even exists is because the original version of the game: Runescape 3, is a whale farm of microtransactions to generate funds)

If you want a polling system in FFXIV, the best thing that this game could get is just more attention given to feedback questionnaires. As mentioned above, some people get them, some people don't, and some people just have no idea that they exist. They really do need to do a better job of showing that more players than just streamers can have a voice in the direction of the game, and they can do that by treating feedback questionnaires with more care and attention.

It ultimately falls down to.
Is the community well enough to establish what it truly is that bothers then.

Or do they Bandwagon without knowing what it is they say, most of the time.

Do they Join Cause someone they admire says it.

Do they Say It out of Spite

Do they say it out of need to deny others of nice things

do they want to get more rewards for a few rather than for the benefit of all active players.

You can just get your answer by looking at the forums. (while most will agree its not close enough to generously say, it ain't perfect) It can be improved, and steered away from irrelevant things that some have done to derail threads and troll. and actual lead to more conducive discussion.

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My Lil TLDR: is that if we have a community that understands what they want, and what they believe. without falling into passive or active derailment from the minority of hateful. Who can easily accept not being picked from various options. then yeah, a poll will work wonders.

But Polls have too many variables.

that also is, If the question on the poll/s is exact, and not vague. as to not confuse or misdirect users.

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For Example with jobs or skills.

I personally believe that the game can only have 9 more full jobs before it becomes unsustainable. But also cause it leads to:
6Tanks / 6Healers / 6Melee / 6Ranged / 6Casters

Which jobs have their subclasses. (sustain/damage, shield/pure, raidwide/selfish, support/pseudoselfish, quickcast/longcast. Atm, since I feel they can each get a third type.)

and Armor or Materia type/slotting priority.
(Maiming/Striking/Scouting. or Sps/Sks, Crit/Dh, etc)

Not everyone will agree to 9 more full jobs, or that the jobs should follow these rigid Rule of Two, Duality/Mirroring within their Armor Type. and the Archetype of Gameplay be it pure, long, sustain, damage, support, gcd based, ogcd based/heavy job.

There's a more straightforward way to do something like this, just occasionally have player satisfaction surveys like most mobile games do. Pretty easy way to pool player data without much difficulty. I'm okay with players wanting an easier way to give feedback but I'd rather leave development to actual devs.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Players do not make good game development choices.

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I would go farther to say that they make TERRIBLE choices. They're not designers. They're not developers. They don't have enough information to make truly informed decisions because you have to have a TON of information to do that -- most of it will be internal to SE.

Pain points and things that you like that already exist in game are useful bits of feedback. How you use the game and the various systems in game are useful information for designers.

I really, really hope they don't start polling players for what they should do. I truly think it'll make the game even worse.

It works for Runescape, I'm not opposed