The Gunbreaker AF gear's dye maps are disappointing.

I'm extremely dissatisfied with this, to say the least.

https://i.postimg.cc/W12Cnctn/IMG-6245.jpg

It would have been preferable for the body armor to be left alone when dying the coat, but the second dye channel is particularly egregious. I don't see the point of even having a second dye channel if it isn't going to be used effectively, and the choice to have it change the color of the collar while ignoring the red, which is effectively the main color alongside black, not only severely limits the piece's aesthetic potential, but also just comes off as exceedingly lazy and cutting corners.

I adore the set itself conceptually, but not being able to at least swap the red to any other color but letting me dye the comparatively inoffensive collar is a decision I fail to understand the reasoning behind. I hope this is just a temporary measure for the media tour and the final in-game piece will use the second channel to dye all of the red accents instead, because this really kills the enjoyment that my main job has a cool new AF set provides when I'm limited by a seemingly thoughtless decision like this.

That's really bad. What is the point of adding a second dye channel when they pull crap like this? A jarring red gradient we can't change which will clash with almost all colors outside of white/black and an ugly green collar that doesn't change. Who is in charge of these decisions?

oh that's awful

Indeed... There's not much of a reason for there to be a second dye channel at all if it's only going to be used for incredibly minor accents

I'm okay with the red gradient. I would have liked to see the scarf as the second dye channel, though.

Thank you! I was a bit baffled the moment I saw the choice of dye channels for GNB.

I would've been okay with a lot of options:

1. Coloring the red part
2. coloring the metal
3. even coloring the belts.

But i think making the "white" part the second dye channel was not a very good choice. It is a very small area.

And also the red makes combining different glams harder.

I really don't like it and had hoped for different dye channels.

I've also noticed the bottom of the coat is lacking the tatters as seen in the render, which is a bit of an odd choice?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPavR1xX...pg&name=medium

Is the piece we've seen footage of somehow not finalized, and they just slapped the dye channel onto the collar to make sure every bit of gear was capable of showing off the new system? I'm aware it's more likely than not a reach, but I really hope that the final ingame gear will have a dye channel remapped to all of the red elements rather than the collar. Otherwise I'll have to hope for a retexture from PVP who knows how many years from now, or something.

I was worried they might cut corners like this. It's really inexcusable on mainline gear like AF sets though. They're trying to sell the second dye channel as a big addition and opt for a very poor option. Hopefully, this is just a small oversight and not a consistent problem.

Ouch I was hyped for the GNB coat from the trailers but now not so much. Also, I didn't realize how much the red part ruined the overall dye options until just this moment. I just wish it was better.

oh wow, that is...so bad..

and this is just the beginning , there's peeps out there that still thinks we getting all armors/mog items with the new dye system

Annnnnnd there goes any new glams I was going to make with the level 100 gear, thanks SE :(

That's some healer/caster getting robe for glams level of disappointment.

But somehow, I kinda see it coming miles away...

Is there a way/potential to give SE feedback for the dye channels on Gunbreaker job gear?

I heard SE doesn't really read English Forums.

I mean it is not like ALL job sets have weird dye channels. But the Gunbreaker one is sadly not that good. Same as Monk as far as I have heard.

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Originally Posted by TimotheusReed

Is there a way/potential to give SE feedback for the dye channels on Gunbreaker job gear?

I heard SE doesn't really read English Forums.

I mean it is not like ALL job sets have weird dye channels. But the Gunbreaker one is sadly not that good. Same as Monk as far as I have heard.

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Translate it into JP and get it on their forum imo. You'd have a better chance of them seeing it if it gains traction over there. I'd check if there's a thread for it already though as they tend to keep things to one thread instead of multiple as we have here from what I remember.

Does anyone know which thread to post this into? Or can someone else translate the feedback to JP?

Or can at least someone give me a link to the thread where this kind of feedback gets posted in JP forums?
Because for me it is hard to navigate japanese forums and I personally would like this feedback to get to the right place.

There are a lot of red accents, that's why they left the red gradient
It's unfortunate that the second dye channel is for the collar and not the inside of the coat, but what can you do
If you can't adapt to the limitations, then it sounds like a skill issue tbh

That is really awful..Would not surprise me if there's a lot of other sets that make the 2nd dye option just look worse. Whoever is leading these dyeable decisions needs to re work pieces like this

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Does anyone know which thread to post this into? Or can someone else translate the feedback to JP?

Or can at least someone give me a link to the thread where this kind of feedback gets posted in JP forums?
Because for me it is hard to navigate japanese forums and I personally would like this feedback to get to the right place.

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I did a quick search and found some mentions regarding equipment dying in this thread, though this board seems to be dedicated to reporting various non-bug related issues (it's mainly filled with complaints regarding how characters appear in the benchmark).

Sorry I can't be of more help.

I now translated and posted the feedback into this thread, because it seems like there are already some suggestions from the media tour in this thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...48#post6477148

I don't know if this helps but at least there is a chance of our feedback to be heard.

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There are a lot of red accents, that's why they left the red gradient
It's unfortunate that the second dye channel is for the collar and not the inside of the coat, but what can you do
If you can't adapt to the limitations, then it sounds like a skill issue tbh

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It's not about adapating to the limitations, but the fact that the "limitations" are questionable in the first place. It's not a "skill issue" if I want my character to wear gear in a color I like. The primary accent is all of the red elements. Majority of the other artifact gear dyes these elements while leaving accent colors alone, which are nowhere near as egregious or limiting as being forced to use the red. Warrior and Bard's smaller undyable details are comparatively fine, as they aren't a notable chunk of the overal gear's color.

Also, "there are a lot of red accents, that's why they left the gradient" is my point as to why it feels lazy -- in fact, if there are a lot of red accents, isn't that more justification for why all of the red elements should be dyable instead of just the collar?

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Originally Posted by dracosludge

Also, "there are a lot of red accents, that's why they left the gradient" is my point as to why it feels lazy -- in fact, if there are a lot of red accents, isn't that more justification for why all of the red elements should be dyable instead of just the collar?

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This would just create a different issue, now you would be stuck with a white collar
There are 3 main colors in the set: black, red and white. Black and white cover the most/least of the set - this is why they chose those 2 colors
This is just a limitation of the two dye system and the design choices
I do understand the issue and I agree that they could have designed the gear to better fit the 2 dye channel system, but I feel like this is something that can be worked around

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Originally Posted by Mouthbone

This would just create a different issue, now you would be stuck with a white collar
This is just a limitation of the two dye system and the design choices
I do understand the issue and I agree that they could have designed the gear to better fit the 2 dye channel system, but I feel like this is something that can be worked around

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I agree that being left with a white collar could be seen as an issue, but it's far easier to work with the collar being undyable. I agree that having a third dye channel would be ideal, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards right now. I just think that ultimately it is an objective fact that being able to dye all of the red accents provides a lot more customization options for the overall piece. Even having a retextured version with different dyemaps available in game (perhaps with the tatters back?) would be more than fine, similar to the Bodyguard set from PVP, (and would be an inverse of the dyemap there, as that piece dyes both the armor and the coat while the Idealized version from Memoria simply dyes the coat and not the armor, while the new AF dyes both the coat and the body armor by default) but waiting what would potentially come down to years later, let alone no confirmation it would even happen in the first place isn't great, obviously.

Ultimately I feel it's worth bringing up as a complaint because I feel the choice does come off as cutting corners, is an unfortunate choice in general, and I would like to see a version of the gear with alternate dyemaps even if the original dyemaps remain on a piece.

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Originally Posted by dracosludge

Ultimately I feel it's worth bringing up as a complaint because I feel the choice does come off as cutting corners, is an unfortunate choice in general, and I would like to see a version of the gear with alternate dyemaps even if the original dyemaps remain on a piece.

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Yeah, it is worth bringing up, however, I feel like changes like this won't be a priority for them as they have their hands full with the CC feedback
Maybe it will be addressed down the line or when the second graphics update is upon us, whenever that would be
My expectations are very low, so I feel like we are eating good already from the stuff I've seen from the media tour, other people are welcome to disagree

You are talking about "skill issue" but then complaining about being stuck with a white color.
Everyone who knows color theory knows that it is harder to combine a color like "red" with other colors, rather than more neutral colors like white, black and gray.

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Originally Posted by TimotheusReed

You are talking about "skill issue" but then complaining about being stuck with a white color.

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I'm not complaining about being stuck with any color, I can make stuff work :)

Yeah true. Sorry. Didn't want to be harsh.

I also already have a color palette of dark brown, red and gold in mind. I just think there could've been a lot better areas to dye instead of the collar.

For me personally I would've liked the metal to be dyeable instead, but I still agree that the obvious choice would be the red areas.

Personally I just want to be able to dye it blue and not have it look objectively terrible. My WoL's main color is blue, my favourite color is blue, etcetera, etcetera. Being able to dye the red accents and particularly the gradient blue while leaving the main coat black would not only have been perfect, but virtually every available dye would have looked good like this, so it's just a shame -- I don't particularly want to spend the next few years wearing the same Idealized Bodyguard's Coat I have since 2020, but I have yet to find something I liked more until this coat -- I really just do find it a strange decision, particularly combined with the lack of tatters and the fact that the belts framing the groin don't dye along with the others for some reason. It really just feels unfinished and like a rush job compared to the render.