Viera Changes

Personally, I'm REALLY unhappy with how the Viera changes have turned out. The lighting is.. strange? My character seems to be constantly illuminated regardless of being in shadow. That's not a major issue compared to the eyes.. OH GOD THE EYES!

She looks dead behind the eyes. Her eyes look like they're constantly half closed, which is caused by a shadow on the upper half of the eye. Previously her eyes seemed bright and open, now they feel dark, closed and just kinda.. sad? Her eyelashes look mushy or something. The darkness on the eyes makes this issue worse and overall completely changes the look of the character.

The problem is that these are things that can't be fixed by a fantasia. These is no way to correct those issue because they're things we have no control over in the character creation.

Old:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...88&height=455&

New:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6794dcca0f65a&

https://i.gyazo.com/71dddab8359addad...e9bdde5e64.jpg

Bunnies are just NOT okay.

They share the same problem as everyone else, dead eyes, ugly flat lips, creepy wax skin, but were also done dirty (literally) with their noses. The topside is made more dark even if it wasn't before (you cannot disable this) and the underside looks.... green? Yellow? It look really odd, like they panicked when people (validly) complained about losing bunny noses and someone went in there real quick with an airbrush. The whole face looks so low contrast in the lighting, except the nose, it's incredibly weird.

Please, do not release in this state.

In reference to the nose darkness above, it was mainly Male Viera Face 3 that suffered from that change. Its bunny nose was very subtle compared to all the other faces, and I think they tried to make it more obvious without really thinking about the facial balance. It's a shame because I like the idea of it being more noticeable.

I'm also now noticing that Rava & Veena--both genders--have the same exact eyes now, when Veena used to have larger pupils, akin to Keepers of the Moon. A lot of these changes are feeling more and more hasty...

I noticed some similar strangeness on my Raava Viera character's eyes too- it's like there is a weird super dark "half-moon" over the top part of her eye that really changes how her resting expression looks.

Her skin is also constantly glowing as well in the character creator, which looks very odd on a character who is supposed to have deep skin, but this at least seemed to be mostly alleviated in the actual benchmark test scenes.

The most significant issue I have with the update is the drastic change that was made to my character's hairstyle, specifically the highlights:

https://imgur.com/fns7co3.png

The front of her fringe and her braid have had their highlights completely removed and I'm kind of devastated. As you mentioned, this isn't something I have any ability to change as it is inherent to the hairstyle itself which is extremely frustrating.

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Please, do not release in this state.

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I'd rather this update not be a part of the Dawntrail launch. I'd much prefer they take their time, push it back a patch or two until they've managed to solve this problem.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4f3b053ea0967&

Why has my viera been downgraded so much?

I had to change face completely to try and fix him which meant loosing his beauty mark which is sad. Can we not get some of the facial features like colour lashes, beauty marks and scars made universal across the faces if we are gonna have to make drastic changes to our characters like this?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...94b93ba79b687& Best I could do to fix him...

I'm extremely conflicted with these changes to my viera. My darker skinned character here has had her bunny nose entirely removed, not to mention the big difference in eye colour? Her nose and face look blurry, and the new lipstick looks god awful. I wonder how they managed to mess things up this badly. I have been incredibly happy with my viera design for years now, and to have her face changed to something worse feels heartbreaking to me. She looks lifeless and like she's constantly frowning. I kinda understand why because look at those flat and dimensionless lips??

https://i.imgur.com/FyyxKqo.png https://i.imgur.com/2Z1yhto.png

I am truly saddened to see my bunny nose removed like this, it's one of my favourite features of viera aside from the ears. We seriously got so shafted...

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https://i.imgur.com/tThstGu.png
I was able to hide the mouth by useing lighter lip colour..
However the biggest issue for me is the eyebrows!!
They're grey and i can barely see them!!!.

The skin:
Lost much details and looks more unrealistic than before.. lost depth and contrast

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Originally Posted by Kogekigami

Why has my viera been downgraded so much?

I had to change face completely to try and fix him which meant loosing his beauty mark which is sad. Can we not get some of the facial features like colour lashes, beauty marks and scars made universal across the faces if we are gonna have to make drastic changes to our characters like this?

Best I could do to fix him...

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Oh boy this is rough and now I can't unsee the weirdly prominent round chin on face 3.

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Originally Posted by Kimitu

I have been incredibly happy with my viera design for years now, and to have her face changed to something worse feels heartbreaking to me. She looks lifeless and like she's constantly frowning.

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I couldn't have put it better.. It's so sad!

I picked face three originally forthe beautymark and the more defined jawline but now i can't unsee the chin ball now too he looks so bloated and streached in the benchmark only way to fix it was complete face change... so upsetting ngl

My big problem is that blonde hair makes blonde eyebrows and they are barely visible on light skin tones. This isn't new, but the graphical updates make it look even worse.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f6735b283c474&


Solution: Please add the ability to set eyebrow colour seperately!

I want the old lips back not this smudge.
https://i.imgur.com/57laAho.png
Face 4, Signing off.

I miss the way her eyes sparkle (the new gleam has less shine and is less unique), the depth and life it gave her eyes (images from Endwalker benchmark):
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

This is the same saved character model loaded into the different benchmarks and it's like she's a completely different person.

EW benchmark (aethereal background):
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

DT benchmark (aethereal background):
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

In the updated graphics, she looks to have a more rounded face. The nose looks great, but there's not much else I like about the changes to her. :(

I feel like her eyelashes are clumpy and weird, and her eyes got much darker and appear less open.
EW benchmark:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

DT benchmark:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

Not to mention her lips! They are adorable, shiny and plump with the current graphics, but as of 7.0 they will look flat, with the corners of the mouth being uneven, and the lips being separated by a very, very straight line. ;_;

EW benchmark:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

DT benchmark:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

This is not OK. Fem Viera cannot and should not be left in this state. I understand that the dev team have been working so hard to make this graphical update a reality, but I beg of you, please do not change female Viera into this.

I actually really like how she looks after update, especially in actual trailer outside character creation.
https://i.imgur.com/SWEZTrQ.jpeg
Benchmark on the left

https://i.imgur.com/wikY5RG.png
https://i.imgur.com/Pic3ffi.png

Before and after.

Why is her hair brown? Why is the gloss gone from her lips? Why is her nose bulbous and... dirty? And the light is gone from her eyes. :(

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...545&height=747

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...654&height=748

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Originally Posted by Susaroo

Before and after.

Why is her hair brown? Why is the gloss gone from her lips? Why is her nose bulbous and... dirty? And the light is gone from her eyes. :(

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...545&height=747

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...654&height=748

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Oh wow, they actually changed the pupil size too from what I can see. Is there no larger option anymore?

Why isn't anybody talking about Veena's eye change? They changed so that Veena's and Rava's eyes are the same, even though one of Veena's clan differences is having larger pupils!

Benchmark
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHlt2LW...png&name=small

In-game
https://i.imgur.com/JZEGyN7.png

This is huge nerf! Because just like miqoté's Keeper's of the moon clan, they still have huge pupils. Even hrothgars clan The Lost have their larger pupils. They have a reason to exist! Why did they take it away?? It has to be a mistake they just forgot or didn't think about.
It needs to be changed. This is a reason why I even picked Veena, alongside the lighter skin. It completely changes the characters look and vibe they have.

I feel like I am one of the few that is happy with the changes ^^;
Someone pointed out that 7.0 looks now more feminine but honestly, I want my bun to be pretty so that's personally a plus for me.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHvzT-X...g&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLHvRdSX...pg&name=medium

My Viera too, has been nerfed and changed in the Benchmark. Hell, I had to darken his skin to even get a smidge close to the original vibes he had.

This is how he looks in Endwalker.
https://i.imgur.com/aK2nlG9.png

Exact same character, same setting.
https://i.imgur.com/DJHdtxJ.png
Darkened the skintone, still not the same though.
https://i.imgur.com/9Q2Jl91.png

He actually had more of a brooding look which is now gone, same for the nose. It's been sanded down and lost all it's charm. It's not even remotely the same character, which is a shame as I genuinely loved his design!
Where's my experienced looking Warder? Right now he looks like barely passed his trials and left the forest in Dawntrail. Genuinely hope this gets fixed because it seems to be a common problem for Viera...

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Oh wow, they actually changed the pupil size too from what I can see. Is there no larger option anymore?

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Yeah, they now have pretty much the same eyes! I love that they're enhancing stuff, but they're also taking away definining characteristics between tribes within races. Veena always had larger pupils which gave them a different look to the Rava.

They did the same with Miqo, the Moon cats no longer have the big pronounced fangs they had before, which is one of the main differences they had from Sun cats, other than the eyes and skin tones.

I really could not be happier. An absolutely increadible effort to update the game closer to modern standards, but constrained by strict limitations. I'm very excited!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...75cb1c4696270&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...51e77d25caaaf&

I'm really not understanding the complaints I'm seeing. From every before and after I see it looks like a straight upgrade in every way. To each their own I guess but I think the graphical update looks amazing

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Originally Posted by Erin1491

I'm really not understanding the complaints I'm seeing. From every before and after I see it looks like a straight upgrade in every way. To each their own I guess but I think the graphical update looks amazing

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DT changes isn't an upgrade in every way though? Like my character literally looks objectivity worse without any changes on my end.

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Originally Posted by Erin1491

I'm really not understanding the complaints I'm seeing. From every before and after I see it looks like a straight upgrade in every way. To each their own I guess but I think the graphical update looks amazing

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While it may be an upgrade in your eyes, in my honest opinion this is not the character I've made.
The character is supposed to have an air of being older and experienced and the graphical update actually de-aged him to a degree that ruins the character I've designed and grown attached to.
The eye and nose shapes are completely different.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

I want the old lips back not this smudge.
https://i.imgur.com/57laAho.png
Face 4, Signing off.

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Face 2 also got hit with this. I generally use both face 1 & 2, depending on mood, but the mouth change has probably killed off face 2 for me. It's really bad looking now.

e. I ran my face 2 through the benchmark, and it didn't look AS bad as the side-by-side comparison in the creator. The creator made her look ROUGH. As a whole though, all of my characters looked worse to me with the new settings. Colors are way muted, there's no shine on their lips, facial features seem to have changed shape, jaws blend into their necks, lalas lost their noses, and mooore. I'm a wee bit nervous. lol.

Gonna have to play around a lot in-game once the expansion hits to see how they look in the actual world.

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Originally Posted by LuluLavender

I really could not be happier. An absolutely increadible effort to update the game closer to modern standards, but constrained by strict limitations. I'm very excited!!

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Looks really good. My feelings atm is that darker skin tones have come out better because of the stronger contrast in colours. Light skin and hair has definitely got worse, in my opinion.

Maybe time to use that free fanta and get a tan...

My friends keep telling me it looks fine. I think this is someone else.
https://i.imgur.com/CldZM81.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/YFiLI37.png
https://i.imgur.com/OmKdAMN.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/O6Ff3iI.png
https://i.imgur.com/4lDDoc1.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/hHlKnoo.png
The details of her nose are gone which makes her nose look larger than what it was before.
The definition of her lips is gone as well, she had a cute cupids bow and it looks like she went and got filler.
The colours of her eyes has changed from a blueish colour to aquamarine.
Before I could take off her eyeliner and she would look "fresh"- now she has a constant thick eyeliner on her eyelid with the darkest black colour.
Imo she looks terrible.

I'm extremely unhappy too. It feels like we lost all of our identity, lips are a complete different shape, make up looks weird for bun boys, and our noses don't look like bunny noses anymore really. I'm gutted.

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Originally Posted by Kimitu

I'm extremely conflicted with these changes to my viera. My darker skinned character here has had her bunny nose entirely removed, not to mention the big difference in eye colour? Her nose and face look blurry, and the new lipstick looks god awful. I wonder how they managed to mess things up this badly. I have been incredibly happy with my viera design for years now, and to have her face changed to something worse feels heartbreaking to me. She looks lifeless and like she's constantly frowning. I kinda understand why because look at those flat and dimensionless lips??

https://i.imgur.com/FyyxKqo.png https://i.imgur.com/2Z1yhto.png

I am truly saddened to see my bunny nose removed like this, it's one of my favourite features of viera aside from the ears. We seriously got so shafted...

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I feel the same sadly, as a face 3 too
can't get over the nose/lips

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...022647ca41975&

Another thing that I haven't seen being touched on yet is it looks like they haven't increased the textures on the ears as much/at all compared to the hair (at least for ear 4), which is painfully obvious when they sit right next to each other on the head
https://i.imgur.com/8zXO5uB.png https://i.imgur.com/WZdWlNj.png

I'm overall happy with my face 4. Skin looks fine in benchmark itself, face geometry is almost 1:1, except a little rounder nose if you look from the side.
Lips are worse, yeah. Hopefully they will fix that. And raven black hair is now grey even in benchmark itself, that's probably my biggest complaint so far.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...79abd526d34db&

Very sad about the lip and nose changes on Viera male face 3. I love the option of a dusty nose, but it should be something to toggle on and off. It significantly changed the nose shape of my character and is very harsh.
The lips are way too matte. There’s no shadow or definition to them, so they don’t fit the textures of the face. Bring back the highlights and lowlights please devs, and upgrade ear texture with hair. Pleaaase.
The difference is stark. 1. Pre Dawntrail 2. Dawntrail
https://i.imgur.com/Kpr97Ht.png

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Originally Posted by EriShvakh

I'm overall happy with my face 4. Skin looks fine in benchmark itself, face geometry is almost 1:1, except a little rounder nose if you look from the side.
Lips are worse, yeah. Hopefully they will fix that. And raven black hair is now grey even in benchmark itself, that's probably my biggest complaint so far.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...79abd526d34db&

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Hmm I dont think it looks "fine". THe one to the right looks pretty washed out, hair and skin lost its colors and contrast. Entire face looks bloated up compared to original. Also eyes lost its "spark" - no more piercing glance typical for Vieras. Also playing dark skinned viera, and got simillar results than you :)

And no amount of Fantasia editing will fix this due to limited character creator, because all these things are out of our control.

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Originally Posted by EriShvakh

I'm overall happy with my face 4. Skin looks fine in benchmark itself, face geometry is almost 1:1, except a little rounder nose if you look from the side.
Lips are worse, yeah. Hopefully they will fix that. And raven black hair is now grey even in benchmark itself, that's probably my biggest complaint so far.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...79abd526d34db&

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We have the same face (4) and I feel like we were put through a beauty filter but it went all wrong. If you are happy that is great for you tbh. I think your character went from lovely to dull and I would not recognize that it was the same character if I saw her. Her eyes look larger, nose rounder and her lips are completely different.

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Originally Posted by RulerKelso

THe one to the right looks pretty washed out

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Benchmark has Gamma Correction at 50 by default it kills the colours. I retook same screenshot at 0 correction like I have it in game and it's much better colour wise. Black hair is still too grey though.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Her eyes look larger, nose rounder and her lips are completely different.

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Whole face is almost completely 1:1. Especially eyes. I put both pictures on top of each other and played with transparency to compare. Eye shape doesn't change at all. Lips are bad I agree, but it seems to be an issue across all races.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...c6bc480ea0498&

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Originally Posted by EriShvakh

Black hair is still too grey though.

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Yes, already started thread about washed hair colors in the morning :D
I hope this will be fixed until the graphic overhaul goes live.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-7.0-benchmark

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Originally Posted by EriShvakh

Benchmark has Gamma Correction at 50 by default it kills the colours. I retook same screenshot at 0 correction like I have it in game and it's much better colour wise. Black hair is still too grey though.


Whole face is almost completely 1:1. Especially eyes. I put both pictures on top of each other and played with transparency to compare. Eye shape doesn't change at all. Lips are bad I agree, but it seems to be an issue across all races.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...c6bc480ea0498&

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Lips are afaik mostly just a result of the fact that you no longer have stark black shadows wherever light doesn't directly touch.

While I think the CC makes the characters look overall worse than the actual benchmark trailer, I have to say I am really sad about the subtle changes to the lips and eyes for my F1 (and it looks like all faces in general suffer from this). Where the top lip had a nice curve to it, it's now a lot flatter and loses some charm. Not to mention that lipstick options have no proper gloss anymore, which is really sad. It should definitely be a toggle/option between more matte and more glossy.

And I don't like that the default eye makeup is so much stronger now. There is a very thick eyeliner line at the top that wasn't there before and I personally wish we could opt out of it for a more natural look. It looks way too intense!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIZWcIW...pg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIZW6gW...g&name=900x900
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2c0beebde2860&

Like character on the right is still pretty and not TOO stark a difference but its not the same feel

Overall, the viera face look largers, as if they've collectively been stung by bees. It's weird. And the changes in lightning makes it look like their eyes are further apart than in the old look. Honestly, I'm glad I don't play a Viera (I'll just have to modify one of my retainer), because male like female, the update feels like a downgrade.

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Originally Posted by EriShvakh

Benchmark has Gamma Correction at 50 by default it kills the colours. I retook same screenshot at 0 correction like I have it in game and it's much better colour wise. Black hair is still too grey though.


Whole face is almost completely 1:1. Especially eyes. I put both pictures on top of each other and played with transparency to compare. Eye shape doesn't change at all. Lips are bad I agree, but it seems to be an issue across all races.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...c6bc480ea0498&

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To be fair, your's is one of the few I've seen that gueninely look good with the update.