What happened to AOE Complainers?

I vividly remember when Endwalker first launched how many people there were complaining about the over abundance of AOE skills, like Machinist's Chainsaw or Dragoon's Wyrmwind Thrust, and especially how many AOEs there are in the Summoner rework.

It seems that they're going to be focusing on AOEs again, especially with how prevalent that new ground effect they seem to be using in the trailer is.

Where did all the complainers go?

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

I vividly remember when Endwalker first launched how many people there were complaining about the over abundance of AOE skills, like Machinist's Chainsaw or Dragoon's Wyrmwind Thrust, and especially how many AOEs there are in the Summoner rework.

It seems that they're going to be focusing on AOEs again, especially with how prevalent that new ground effect they seem to be using in the trailer is.

Where did all the complainers go?

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They wiped to killing someone else's doll.

Dunno,

Maybe you seem to care more about people complaining than the people themselves that actually complain?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Dunno,

Maybe you seem to care more about people complaining than the people themselves that actually complain?

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I'm just looking for hypocrisy.

Didn't even know there was complaint about how many we had.

Always Thought it was the fact people didn't know how to use the basics or situations of their kits.

But I guess both are related in a way.
(That they never understood how it worked.)

I doubt the Aoe will be an issue in DT.

So far, it seems to look like things are getting an upgrade as we have been led to believe.

I know for sure BLMs Aoe DoT has not been upgraded in abit.
(And BLMs have basically the same rotation for single/aoe. They flow the same, even if the buttons are different.
It's like one of the jobs that could just get stance/phase/type changed between the two. Almost how I imagine VIPer to be, with dual wield <-> twinblade to be)

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Know what, ima call it.

We gonna eventually get an AOE Paradox, or some other skill that acts as a good variant for BLM Aoes.

I noticed how they changed it from Shb(Which at first kind threw me off, cause I couldn't refresh timer with Freeze anymore, or spam freeze/flare) But now it flows like it's Single Target, which would make more sense and less conflict for new learners.

Got a source on that, cuz I remember nothing about aoes in general and specifically things like aoe skills that should have just been replacing other skills.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

They wiped to killing someone else's doll.

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Doll? whats a doll?
TEA starts in limit cut now

I meam wall to wall is one of the most boring dungeon metas because it's just clump zero skill AoE spam, but I haven't seen anything about it. It would go over like a lead balloon anyway.

Main one I remember is people mocking Sch after the EW Job Action trailer, joking about how useless Expedient was... only for it to be OP in raids and had to have group sprint portion of it nerfed.

I don't recall people complaining about AoEs for Endwalker.

My only complaint about AoEs is their usefulness is limited to the easiest, most boring content in the game: Dungeons.

If AoEs are the only new flashy abilities we're getting while we have to suffer through another 2 years of this awful 2-min meta, then DawnTrail will easily be one of the worst expansions.

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

I'm just looking for hypocrisy.

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Got a mirror?

There isn't a problem with too many AoEs. There is a problem with some jobs having separate AoE versions of all their single target actions when it would have been sufficient to add splash damage to existing single target actions or focus damage to existing AoE actions (e.g., SAM, DNC, RPR, SMN).

SAM just has too many buttons because of all the duplication, and combining some of the action pairs would remove bloat and make transitions between max level and syncked play much smoother. Reaper is the middlest of the group and doesn't suffer too terribly for its minor bloat. Dancer and SMN are both incredibly simple jobs that coould really use some more interesting actions, which combining some of their pairs would make room for.

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Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant

Got a mirror?

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How am I being hypocritical? I'm not complaining about AOEs, I'm just asking where all the complainers went, there's no need to be rude.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Got a source on that, cuz I remember nothing about aoes in general and specifically things like aoe skills that should have just been replacing other skills.

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This is facts. People should keep this in mind for the inevitable sea of whining follows the job trailer.

as long as its not a new button that creats bloat idc

There were complaints from Samurai players Endwalker changes made to AOE gameplay.
- Tenka Goken Tab Target requirement removed
- Tenka Goken turned from Cone to Circle
- Tenka Goken damage not adjusted for Kaiten removal

Tab target removal is good? but this meant that you now don't need to Aim your main AOE skill, nor empower it and in place of empowering it with Kaiten? we spam Kyuten like we do Shinten in single target. Auto-Crit implementations was applied to all skills we used to empower Kaiten with to balance the missing damage out... Except to our AOE Tenka Goken, making it feel quite terrible.

AOE-ing on Samurai was never difficult, but players did enjoy it in Fate Farming / Eureka / Bozja. If you did enjoy Samurai AOE gameplay? Endwalker made it feel weightless, what was easy more easier, more effortless, mindless... it killed the satisfaction out it. So players liker Raiders only obsess about the damage optimization part of it? because all there's left to enjoy is functionality like how a Circle is more functional then a Cone there for better.

Yet we see the BenchMark Trailer where Square is bringing back a portion of Tenka Goken's old Animation i.e its a Cone so they removed features so they can rehash it into- like whatever! just whatever. Whatever they are doing? don't bring your hopes to much be it Samurai be it Healer be it whatever just don't set your expectations to high...

PS: All of this is largely unrelated to Button Bloat as there are other solutions for that regarding Samurai.


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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

There were complaints from Samurai players Endwalker changes made to AOE gameplay.
- Tenka Goken Tab Target requirement removed
- Tenka Goken turned from Cone to Circle
- Tenka Goken damage not adjusted for Kaiten removal

Tab target removal is good? but this meant that you now don't need to Aim your main AOE skill, nor empower it and in place of empowering it with Kaiten? we spam Kyuten like we do Shinten in single target. Auto-Crit implementations was applied to all skills we used to empower Kaiten with to balance the missing damage out... Except to our AOE Tenka Goken, making it feel quite terrible.

AOE-ing on Samurai was never difficult, but players did enjoy it in Fate Farming / Eureka / Bozja. If you did enjoy Samurai AOE gameplay? Endwalker made it feel weightless, what was easy more easier, more effortless, mindless... it killed the satisfaction out it. So players liker Raiders only obsess about the damage optimization part of it? because all there's left to enjoy is functionality like how a Circle is more functional then a Cone there for better.

Yet we see the BenchMark Trailer where Square is bringing back a portion of Tenka Goken's old Animation i.e its a Cone so they removed features so they can rehash it into- like whatever! just whatever. Whatever they are doing? don't bring your hopes to much be it Samurai be it Healer be it whatever just don't set your expectations to high...

PS: All of this is largely unrelated to Button Bloat as there are other solutions for that regarding Samurai.


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Kaiten isn't coming back.

The only problem with skill changes being full of AOE is that it only has a use in dungeon's because they refuse to bring back cleave content in raids or even normal trials/alliance raids

What’s the point in getting a flashy new skill when the only thing you use it in is content that already puts you to sleep

SAM specifically is also running into problems of button bloat caused specifically by the fact they won’t give single target skills falloff and keep making two skills that share a CD but one if for AOE and one is for single target

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

What happened to AOE Complainers?

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Yeah, this never made sense to me. If you complain about everything in an AoE you may tag more targets but you dont make meaningful progress and your arguments are too weak. Thats why i single-target complain. One issue at a time, burn it down, then move on. Its the best way to complain.

I will complain. The very last thing I wanted was more Thunder on BLM. Especially an AOE one.

One thing I do hope they never change is DRG line attacks, so far every ultimate except ucob I think? has benefited from tab targeting line cleaves and/or proper timing line attack usage and it always feels good being rewarded for it, and also because circle aoes boring