Machinist Lunchbox Toggle

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That's your aetherotransformer. It's integral to the operation of the Machinist's arsenal. It's how the layman can operate the machines that Machinist uses. It is more your weapon than your gun is. It is not a lunch box.

for the last time, they said they weren't going to change anything about it

Didn't YoshiP refer to it as a Lunchbox filled with love or something?

I want it to be filled with different designs like Bard quivers are. Wait...designs would be on the outside.... Please make it match my gun instead of it being the same old design that only dyes if your gun is dyeable.

I don't mind it, but I remember when the latest tome weapons came out and the MCH augmented one had the box missing, everyone was ecstatic about it. (Until they fixed it)
I wish that it was like other jobs and that element changed from weapon to weapon.

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Originally Posted by Dillon0_o

I understand that, but it's really not that big a deal to have it hidden when they already have The Empereror's new shield that hides shields.

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Emperors wouldnt really work... it'd hide lunchbox sure, but... also would hide gun so... hope you like magical finger guns...

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Emperors wouldnt really work... it'd hide lunchbox sure, but... also would hide gun so... hope you like magical finger guns...

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it worked for the Yu-Gi-Oh dub

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Emperors wouldnt really work... it'd hide lunchbox sure, but... also would hide gun so... hope you like magical finger guns...

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His point was that lore justifications for why the lunchbox can't be hidden don't make sense when you can hide the PLD shield and still block things with it.

Even for lore reasons would make sense to change it over time. The better and more technologically advanced we are seemingly getting, the heat/charge box should be getting smaller and smaller to reflect this.

Let us hide the box. I'll worry about lore justifications when they also explain where all of our other giant tools come from and go to. (I say they're in Optimus Prime's trailer.)

The virgin Optimus Prime disappearing trailer vs. The Chad Motor Master who shrinks his cabin to become his feet.

Let us make the lunchbox bigger. Let us give MCH a trailer.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

The virgin Optimus Prime disappearing trailer vs. The Chad Motor Master who shrinks his cabin to become his feet.

Let us make the lunchbox bigger. Let us give MCH a trailer.

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Until Optimus goes Powermaster and turns his trailer into armor.

So what we need now is powered armor for MCH. Bring back the G-Warrior!

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Emperors wouldnt really work... it'd hide lunchbox sure, but... also would hide gun so... hope you like magical finger guns...

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Make Emperor's weapons for all Jobs.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

That's your aetherotransformer. It's integral to the operation of the Machinist's arsenal. It's how the layman can operate the machines that Machinist uses. It is more your weapon than your gun is. It is not a lunch box.

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So, why paladins can hide their shield with an invisible glamour? Isn't a shield integral to their skillset as well? Also before it was a thing, Machinists could hide that Gauss Barrel thing on top of their weapon.

I'd love to be able to hide not just the lunchbox, but the BRD's quiver as well, which in fact some quivers actually clip through the sheathed bow, which is wild to me.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

So, why paladins can hide their shield with an invisible glamour? Isn't a shield integral to their skillset as well? Also before it was a thing, Machinists could hide that Gauss Barrel thing on top of their weapon.

I'd love to be able to hide not just the lunchbox, but the BRD's quiver as well, which in fact some quivers actually clip through the sheathed bow, which is wild to me.

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Because a shield is a seperate unique slot in your character screen (the same slot is used by Disciples of the Hand and Land for their secondary tool), where as the MCH's aetherotransformer is a default appearence that is added with the Job equipped. GLA doesn't even start with a shield, they start with a sword only (the shield slot is empty, and technically isn't even compulsory for the class/Job - theoretically you could never equip a shield at all, although some GLA/PLD abilities require it, like Shield Lob, and so would be greatly limited gameplay wise, to say nothing of making the class/Job far less effective in party content).

ARC/BRD's quiver however is something different, that appearence is part of the bow's model and so changes according to whatever bow you happen to equip. To remove that would require every bow model in the game to be remodelled accordingly, something SE simply isn't going to do.

It is odd that they're so adamant about it being displayed. It personally doesn't bother me because I usually coordinate my MCH outfits with it in mind. I agree that folks should have the choice though. A simple text command could likely solve this easily. Yes it's an integral part of the jobs kit and is the reason mchs bullets and tools do so much damage but like others have said, emperor's new weapons exist so that's a lazy reason to deny people this option.

Also fully support having it's appearance match the weapons designs like bard and astro. Or at the very least if a weapon is not dyable, make the toolbox match the general color of the gun instead of the default silver.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

So, why paladins can hide their shield with an invisible glamour? Isn't a shield integral to their skillset as well? Also before it was a thing, Machinists could hide that Gauss Barrel thing on top of their weapon.

I'd love to be able to hide not just the lunchbox, but the BRD's quiver as well, which in fact some quivers actually clip through the sheathed bow, which is wild to me.

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It's a separate piece of gear that shows up on the character for starters. Beyond that it only goes into the Shield Bash and Shield Lob GCD skills (and used to go into Shield Swipe). All fairly minor and supplemental, much like the shield.

As far as Gauss Barrel goes, it wasn't always hideable when it still existed. It got requested to be hideable, and it became hideable later. This was due to them never designing the guns around it, causing it to clip and make almost all guns uniformly ugly. They eventually scrapped it wholesale when they got rid of the casting stances for Ranged physical. I miss it sometimes. Just another example in the ongoing Machinist reworks that go completely unexplained lore wise.

As for the Aetherotransformer... It is important to the class fantasy, because Stephanivien did not invent guns. He invented the aetherotransformer and brought in firearms instructors to have a gun as the mainstay in a Machinist's arsenal, because guns are easy to use. He does modify and make newer guns, like the Ferdinand, that rely on pressurized wind aether instead of gunpowder and the like, and for any such firearm, the aetherotransformer is how the Machinist has ammunition for them. You make bullets from your aether, using the aetherotransformer.

Nope can't hide it, oh but you can tank in a bikini or in your underwear or run around in literal mascot costumes but hiding the fugly lunchbox? NAY! That would break immersion! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

It's a separate piece of gear that shows up on the character for starters. Beyond that it only goes into the Shield Bash and Shield Lob GCD skills (and used to go into Shield Swipe). All fairly minor and supplemental, much like the shield.

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As for the Aetherotransformer... It is important to the class fantasy, because Stephanivien did not invent guns. He invented the aetherotransformer and brought in firearms instructors to have a gun as the mainstay in a Machinist's arsenal, because guns are easy to use. He does modify and make newer guns, like the Ferdinand, that rely on pressurized wind aether instead of gunpowder and the like, and for any such firearm, the aetherotransformer is how the Machinist has ammunition for them. You make bullets from your aether, using the aetherotransformer.

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You're really splitting hairs here.

With the PLD shield hidden you can still use multiple abilities that require a shield and you can still visibly see your character blocking auto attacks with it, with a loud metallic "DONK" no less.

But it's simply out of the question to hide the MCH lunchbox because it makes your magic bullets in the lore.

That is very silly.

I think it looks stupid and want to be rid of it, any arguments whatsoever to the contrary be damned.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

You're really splitting hairs here.

With the PLD shield hidden you can still use multiple abilities that require a shield and you can still visibly see your character blocking auto attacks with it, with a loud metallic "DONK" no less.

But it's simply out of the question to hide the MCH lunchbox because it makes your magic bullets in the lore.

That is very silly.

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Yeah I didn't really like that the Garo event added the invisible shield either. But Garo's aesthetic didn't want shield in there, and that's why it's a thing. The Emperor's New Shield available for 100k MGP is the out of Garo event version of that, since Garo ended.

Turns out the dev team does what it wants, and it doesn't always make for cohesive gameplay elements. Sad for us, really. Shows a distinct lack of care on their part, and if they don't care, we get slop.

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job. I will say I do wish they made it more stylized and different with every paired gun, but I guess I could chock it up to the devs not respecting their own lore/world again. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Yeah I didn't really like that the Garo event added the invisible shield either. But Garo's aesthetic didn't want shield in there, and that's why it's a thing. The Emperor's New Shield available for 100k MGP is the out of Garo event version of that, since Garo ended.

Turns out the dev team does what it wants, and it doesn't always make for cohesive gameplay elements. Sad for us, really. Shows a distinct lack of care on their part, and if they don't care, we get slop.

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job. I will say I do wish they made it more stylized and different with every paired gun, but I guess I could chock it up to the devs not respecting their own lore/world again. /shrug

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Also to add that Samurai currently can buy a wooden training katana (for MGP) without an actual scabbard, which is essential to Iaijutsu techniques since the aether is stored there. Or a White Mage sharing Edda's Scythe weapon model, from mogstation, with a Black Mage, when in lore is clearly stated that both need to use different types of staves. A Gunbreaker who can equip the pvp spiked club, even though it doesn't have a gun barrel for the cartridges. There are probably other outliers that I'm not remembering rn.

In the end, this kind of stuff is not the norm, and probably means to have players imagine their jobs a little bit outside of the box.

Edit: Plus they can always justify an invisible lunchbox or whatever, because of 'glamour'. Scholars and Summoners can make glamour illusions to alter their companion's appearance.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

And you ignored half of my rationale, by the way. It's not just that it makes magic bullets. It's that you get the job from the guy who gives it to you. The lunchbox IS the job class, in other words.

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I didn't ignore it, I just didn't want the quote to be a mile long and it was the same point as the rest of your post which I included. The response is the same either way, lore justifications do not trump gameplay whichever way you want to slice it.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

I don't think it's silly at all to want the defining instrument of a job to be what is displayed on the job.

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Then don't use the option to hide it. Problem solved. No reason for everyone else to have to deal with it just because your selective scruples prohibit you from doing so.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I didn't ignore it.

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No, you did. You can admit when you're being selective with your argument in order to try and make it seem stronger than it is.

And it's not a lore justification. Again, it's literally the job. That's not just lore. That's the gameplay material as well. If you don't like it, play another job. Problem solved.

If they continually water down the setting just to appease this type of stuff, it makes the game less appealing. The game itself loses its identity, just like the classes do. We really don't need to lose anymore for the sake of your damned aesthetic idolatry.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

No, you did. You can admit when you're being selective with your argument in order to try and make it seem stronger than it is.

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lmao ok dude :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

And it's not a lore justification. Again, it's literally the job. That's not just lore. That's the gameplay material as well. If you don't like it, play another job. Problem solved.

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All of your abilities don't fire out of your lunchbox. The only animation it's involved with that isn't entirely "cuz the lore says so" is Overcharge, where your character gives it a barely noticeable slap for half a second.

Having a meltdown about other people hiding their lunchbox and in the same breath hand waving away Paladins being able to throw and block things with a non existent shield is an absurd position. You're becoming irate because you know you've dug yourself into a nonsensical hole.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

If they continually water down the setting just to appease this type of stuff, it makes the game less appealing. The game itself loses its identity, just like the classes do. We really don't need to lose anymore for the sake of your damned aesthetic idolatry.

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So you agree it's a lore issue and not a gameplay issue.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/jEirV...=200w.gif&ct=g

I wouldn't have an issue with the lunchbox if it's design went along with the weapons but, since it doesn't, any glamour that's not steampunk based is condemned to wield a jarring box that clashes with their preferred glamour. And I would really love if the only way to keep it hidden wasn't through under-the-table methods.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

No, you did. You can admit when you're being selective with your argument in order to try and make it seem stronger than it is.

And it's not a lore justification. Again, it's literally the job. That's not just lore. That's the gameplay material as well. If you don't like it, play another job. Problem solved.

If they continually water down the setting just to appease this type of stuff, it makes the game less appealing. The game itself loses its identity, just like the classes do. We really don't need to lose anymore for the sake of your damned aesthetic idolatry.

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For something that is "literally the job", the aetherotransformer sure has been going unnoticed for most of the job design and story, even in Heavesward. Like... one mention and a one animation, perhaps? But, let's assume that the lunchbox is still that importants for a moment. What stops literally anyone from slapping a glamour prism on it in order to make it invisible? Or Stephavinien to create a slimmer version that can be hidden from the eye? Hell, SE could use that last excuse to go further than that and create additional unlockable lunchbox designs (unlikely, but it's still an idea).

Even in your scenario, there is really no argument lorewise that stops SE from giving the option of toggling the aetherotransformer visibility, specially since they didn't bother designing models to go along with the weapons like the BRD's quivers.

And I don't know about you but... I'm pretty people don't pick Machinist for the lunchbox, they do it for the pew-pew and the gadgets. The lunchbox is, at best, a cosmetic addition for the playerbase and, at worst, an eyesore.

Pick another job if so.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Pick another job if so.

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Sure. Just create a physical ranged DPS job for me that uses a gun, gadgets and keeps MCH gameplay only it doesn't show the ugly lunchbox on the side and I'll be all set :)