Need or greed

Hello. I don't know if this is the right subforum to post this.

This is a personal take. I'm seeing a lot of people with ilvl >630 rolling need on low level items, f*ing up sprouts leveling their first job, or other players that could need that item for a gear upgrade.

I mean, where's the point of that system if you can roll need on an item that doesn't actually upgrade your gear. I think you should only be available to roll need on an item with better ilvl or an consumable (minion, orchestrion roll, etc) you have not yet acquired.

You dont NEED an item for desynthesys, turning into GC, etc. That's basically same thing than selling it for gil in terms of need/greed.

This system is just pointless the way it is implemented.

People need to communicate what they want, if you want an item or you need this particular dungeon for levelling gear then speak up in chat, I’m perfectly happy to give it to you

If nobody speaks up then I’m just roll for everything for GC seals

Yeah, that is exactly what I mean. Pointless system.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

People need to communicate what they want, if you want an item or you need this particular dungeon for levelling gear then speak up in chat, I’m perfectly happy to give it to you

If nobody speaks up then I’m just roll for everything for GC seals

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Who has time to write anything when everyone rushes through each dungeon as fast as they can? Stop for 10 seconds to write a message, and you get left behind.

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Originally Posted by AdrianLohois

This is a personal take.

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Unfortunately, you neglected to include "ngl genuinely fr tbh" at least once in your post, so I'm led to believe you're being insincere. Sorry!

I need and greed on every single piece of gear in a dungeon because half of the time, that gear "hits the floor" and gets wasted. Instead of wasting it, I can get desynth materials or GC seals for stuff.
If someone wants a piece for glamour or they need a piece for stats, they can ask for it and I'll gladly pass on that piece if it appears. Usually people run the content on the job they want the gear on, so 9 times out of 10 they can just Need it and get it anyway. The times that it's a job that you have someone else there that's the same type, JUST ASK!

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I need and greed on every single piece of gear in a dungeon because half of the time, that gear "hits the floor" and gets wasted. Instead of wasting it, I can get desynth materials or GC seals for stuff.
If someone wants a piece for glamour or they need a piece for stats, they can ask for it and I'll gladly pass on that piece if it appears. Usually people run the content on the job they want the gear on, so 9 times out of 10 they can just Need it and get it anyway. The times that it's a job that you have someone else there that's the same type, JUST ASK!

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The person who really needs the item has to ask for it, not the person who wants it for desynth or selling it. Makes sense.

I mean this in a kind way.

No one is entitled to gear from a dng. If you want gear and such. Its okay to ask. No one can read minds nor is everyone checking your gear.

I had to spam lapis for gear for dsr as a caster. Know what i did when another caster was there? I asked politely and they were more than receptive.

Just communicate. Gear is on a timer. Theres time to ask.

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Originally Posted by AdrianLohois

The person who really needs the item has to ask for it, not the person who wants it for desynth or selling it. Makes sense.

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I mean... Yeah. The system is set up fair enough that the people who can use the gear can need on it and will usually get it, unless the other person is the same type of job as them. In that instance the easiest option is to speak with the other player and ask.
There's actually valid reasons for wanting the gear becides you need it for leveling. Crafting mats to level up crafters, raising desynth levels and getting achievements, getting seals for those boxes to get new minions, etc. And of course the Almighty Reason of all: glamour (even some of the earliest dungeons can have some good glamour gear)
I can't begin to count how many times I've assumed that a player in our party needs a piece and I pass on it thinking I'm being helpful, only for said piece to drop on the floor and then no one benefits at all from it.

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Originally Posted by AdrianLohois

The person who really needs the item has to ask for it, not the person who wants it for desynth or selling it. Makes sense.

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Desynth and GC seals are legitimate needs.
If you need something, play that class so you can hit the Need button.

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Originally Posted by AdrianLohois

The person who really needs the item has to ask for it, not the person who wants it for desynth or selling it. Makes sense.

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Desynth and turning in for GC seals are also legitimate uses. It's rare that anyone "needs" a dungeon drop for an actual gear upgrade because they're usually already using better gear.

So yes, ask for it if there are others with the ability to Need on the item in the party. I've gone back several times and changed my Greed to a Pass for someone who wanted the item for one of their other jobs and not the job they were using in the dungeon.

A little polite conversation can have positive results. You'll get the occasional sour puss but most are happy to help out.

Feels like too much effort to ask every time? Then it must not be that much of an upgrade after all.

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Originally Posted by AdrianLohois

This system is just pointless the way it is implemented.

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The system as it is set up is fair. Everyone participated in earning the loot, so everyone plays by the same rules. If you can roll need on something and you want it - for whatever reason - then that is valid. If you arent playing on a class that can roll need, you have the same option to roll greed as everyone else. And i will confirm what most of the others have pointed out, if you ask for something you will often get it. I have no idea if something would be an upgrade for you. ESPECIALLY if you arent playing the class it dropped for. So yes, in this case YOU need to take the extra step of informing the party of your extra need.

Need everything not bolted down. Greed if you can't. Ask if you want it but otherwise it's going to get yoinked. Mama needs more money she will never spend.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Need everything not bolted down. Greed if you can't. Ask if you want it but otherwise it's going to get yoinked. Mama needs more money she will never spend.

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Yes I 100% do need to Gil cap my 3rd retainer even though I literally do not spend money on anything and if I ever need need anything I will craft it myself and I already own the most expensive items in the game

Why do you ask? /s

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Originally Posted by AdrianLohois

lI mean, where's the point of that system if you can roll need on an item that doesn't actually upgrade your gear. I think you should only be available to roll need on an item with better ilvl or a consumable (minion, orchestrion roll, etc) you have not yet acquired.

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While I agree with your overall sentiment, I assume it's just too complicated to filter through all the variables as to whether or not someone actually needs a thing, so "you get priority if it's for your class" is close enough, enough of the time.

I do think it's good etiquette to at least roll Greed rather than Need if the item is below what you need for stats and you don't have another use for that specific item – primarily either glamour in its own right or collecting a set to force your desired glamour piece to drop.

I also wish there was a lower tier again, effectively "I don't want it, but I'll take it if it's going to end up on the floor otherwise". (Not rolling kind of achieves this, but then you have to drag out the waiting time for everyone, and you can't do it close to the final boss.)


If I was designing a loot system from scratch, I think I would make it more along the lines of having "points" to spend, like maybe still have basically the same system but for every item you win, you're charged a certain amount of points, so if you're after a specific thing then you might choose to be conservative about rolling on other items and then spend your points on an "I really want this" roll when the thing drops.

Hmmm gear isn't exactly hard to come by, leveling dungeons reward you with a random piece of gear that you don't already own on the job you're playing. I personally pass on everything below Lv50 because to me they're not worth the inventory space or the effort to change into seals and I reckon some sprouts could get some use out of it and/or use it for seals to buy their first mount or upgrade the squadron/rank (which I struggled alot with personally as a sprout), I don't really expect everyone to do this...

I asked before for items that I wanted/needed either for glam or ilvl, majority of the time you either 1. get ignored completely 2. get a few nice people willing to pass and still lose the roll to someone else.