Aerial Actions, an Idea for jump implementing.

Turn "Jump" into a free action for all classes/jobs rather than an action performed by clickin a Key on keyboard or a button on controllers.

Porpouse to make it a class/job action:

1.- As a class/job action it has a recast delay, so people cant spam it on a nonsenseless way.

2.- It could be used like some sort of Combo as done with WS.... Examples;

*As Discipline of war... MNK could learn an action called "Flying Kick" where is required to select "Flying Kick" first and then it highlight "Jump" action to be used in conjuction , once you press the "Jump" action it performs/unleash the "Flying Kick" attack.

*As Discipline of Hand/Land... Botanist could get an ability to grab fruits from trees.. lets call it hipotetycally "Grab Fruit", needed to be performed near a tree , press "Grab Fruit" and then once you click "Jump" it performs the action to obtain a fruit from a tree...

This are just examples of stuff could be done if Jump were implemented as an action in the action bar.

EDIT; JUMP alone could still be used for common porpouses like jump obstacles and has its recast reset, but when used in conjuction with another action, the action getin its delay reset be the additional one, not the "Jump" one.

EDIT 2: this is not exclusive just for combat, this is not meant to turn the game into an action rpg(is done by actions), the hipotetical actions mentioned here are just silly examples, developers sure can do something better with this idea,Read carefully before reply to this post , please.

the UI and response time would need drastic improvements.

Also this just sounds annoying. now I have to make a macro to do my flying kick? Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass. Combos are already a bit hard to do because of latency issues. having to worry about jumping is just excessively complicated.

I think the keyboard method is fine. An option to filter jumping would be good, if it really becomes a problem when people are spamming jump.

Also: aside from fantasy/ridiculous settings you don't' generally jump during fights unless you are avoiding part of the environment around you. (someone throws a chair at you, etc.) Even then it's more of a lunge. I don't see a reason to include jumps in combat aside from Dragoon's signature jump ability.

now if you're jumping on/off a mount for/from mounted combat on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Onisake

the UI and response time would need drastic improvements.

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why? you performing it in a way of combo so you dont perform the action while you in midle jump.... but as a whole. means, read the idea carefully.

Bad Omen just means using the jump key as a means of activating side-actions based on the situation. It's not a bad idea honestly.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Bad Omen just means using the jump key as a means of activating side-actions based on the situation. It's not a bad idea honestly.

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Not exactly but close... still your concept is way better xD

Its best if its left for terrain, as we know from experiance (CC, AV) they will make a stupid raid where you literly have to jump 66 times to get a chest or something even stupider.
LEAVE IT FOR THE TERRAIN!!

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*As Discipline of war... MNK could learn an action called "Flying Kick" where is required to select "Flying Kick" first and then it highlight "Jump" action to be used in conjuction , once you press the "Jump" action it performs/unleash the "Flying Kick" attack.

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Why not just have your "Flying Kick" or "Grab Fruit" moves make you jump automatically? We have several jumping attacks already that do this: (DRG) Jump, Aura Pulse, Doom Spike, Steel Cyclone, etc..

The OP's suggestion appears to be a rather convoluted attempt to make FFXIV into a platform-action game.

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

Turn "Jump" into a free action for all classes/jobs rather than an action performed by clickin a Key on keyboard or a button on controllers.

Porpouse to make it a class/job action:

1.- As a class/job action it has a recast delay, so people cant spam it on a nonsenseless way.

2.- It could be used like some sort of Combo as done with WS.... Examples;

*As Discipline of war... MNK could learn an action called "Flying Kick" where is required to select "Flying Kick" first and then it highlight "Jump" action to be used in conjuction , once you press the "Jump" action it performs/unleash the "Flying Kick" attack.

*As Discipline of Hand/Land... Botanist could get an ability to grab fruits from trees.. lets call it hipotetycally "Grab Fruit", needed to be performed near a tree , press "Grab Fruit" and then once you click "Jump" it performs the action to obtain a fruit from a tree...

This are just examples of stuff could be done if Jump were implemented as an action in the action bar.

EDIT; JUMP alone could still be used for common porpouses like jump obstacles and has its recast reset, but when used in conjuction with another action, the action getin its delay reset be the additional one, not the "Jump" one.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Bad Omen just means using the jump key as a means of activating side-actions based on the situation. It's not a bad idea honestly.

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Great idea! *stamps down seal of approval*

Now, let's see what the devs do with the idea! :D
As long as it doesn't go into File 13 (trashcan), it's good news.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Why not just have your "Flying Kick" or "Grab Fruit" moves make you jump automatically? We have several jumping attacks already that do this: (DRG) Jump, Aura Pulse, Doom Spike, Steel Cyclone, etc..

The OP's suggestion appears to be a rather convoluted attempt to make FFXIV into a platform-action game.

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Exactly what Yoshida said he doesn't want do to XIV. The idea is fine if this were turning into an action game, however it's not in that realm.

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

why? you performing it in a way of combo so you dont perform the action while you in midle jump.... but as a whole. means, read the idea carefully.

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no need to get defensive. sheesh.

the way combos currently work you do one action and then another. this would have to be done in a similar way to battle regime was originally done to do it the way you want to. and battle regime was terrible.

to work within the current system i would press my jump action. my kick would highlight, and then i would press it. IE: my toon would jump (this does no damage, and takes a couple of seconds) and then i would do my flying kick. so i'm essentially locked in animation before i do any real damage.

so yes. response time and the UI would need to be improved to implement this. seeing as they want to make battles FASTER and not slower/more convoluted.

and like i said. i'd rather see mounted combat before jumps in combat. mounted combat is a large part of historical battles. it's one thing i always wished was in FFXI (although it didn't make sense to put it there) but it could easily be put in to XIV. especially with PvP. large scale open field battles with cavalry, foot, archer, and artillery/siege squads (for DoH) would be pretty epic.

far more epic than a silly jumping kick.

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Originally Posted by Onisake

no need to get defensive. sheesh.

the way combos currently work you do one action and then another. this would have to be done in a similar way to battle regime was originally done to do it the way you want to. and battle regime was terrible.

to work within the current system i would press my jump action. my kick would highlight, and then i would press it. IE: my toon would jump (this does no damage, and takes a couple of seconds) and then i would do my flying kick. so i'm essentially locked in animation before i do any real damage.

so yes. response time and the UI would need to be improved to implement this. seeing as they want to make battles FASTER and not slower/more convoluted.

and like i said. i'd rather see mounted combat before jumps in combat. mounted combat is a large part of historical battles. it's one thing i always wished was in FFXI (although it didn't make sense to put it there) but it could easily be put in to XIV. especially with PvP. large scale open field battles with cavalry, foot, archer, and artillery/siege squads (for DoH) would be pretty epic.

far more epic than a silly jumping kick.

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The only thing "similar" to a combo i speack about is the fact of "high-light" the action uppon activate it... as left it on stand-by mode.... not that exactly of as a combo where your char perform an action then next.. no, not that way

And i made it clear the order would be activate "Flying Kick" so it hightligt the jump action without perform the flying kick azap.... then press "jump" to perform it.... why?, the flying kick would be used not only to attack monsters but also lets say attack an object that could work like a switch or a door, or what not, that dont be precicelly a combat thing.

Guys read carefully.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Exactly what Yoshida said he doesn't want do to XIV. The idea is fine if this were turning into an action game, however it's not in that realm.

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I dont want thurn this into an action game, but make things dynamic... lets say you be doing a mega boss.... imagine Batral wherer yuou have to stand into silly circles of light to activate them and then go and damage Batral.... this idea would give developers more options to implement than just a silly "go stand over that switch" or make it more dynamic than force them input a text log window where you have to accept "activate this switch or not?" in midle fight.

No thanks, sure, I'll deal with jumping as part of a mechanic of dodging something on a fight, but not anything at all no way to deal with my WS' or anything close of any sorts at all. Jump should just be for........ jumping.

Kupos for tryin to think of a real use for jump.. but no thanks.

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

The only thing "similar" to a combo i speack about is the fact of "high-light" the action uppon activate it... as left it on stand-by mode.... not that exactly of as a combo where your char perform an action then next.. no, not that way

And i made it clear the order would be activate "Flying Kick" so it hightligt the jump action without perform the flying kick azap.... then press "jump" to perform it.... why?, the flying kick would be used not only to attack monsters but also lets say attack an object that could work like a switch or a door, or what not, that dont be precicelly a combat thing.

Guys read carefully.

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that makes it even more pointless. then you'll have people fly-kicking all over the place instead of just jumping if you can do it whenever.

actions in the action bar should be reserved for combat/crafting situations. anything else should be an emote or accessed from the menu.

if there's a story line event where you need to break down a wall or something, a neat animation would help with immersion, but the time to animate something unique for each class is time i'd rather see spent elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Onisake

that makes it even more pointless. then you'll have people fly-kicking all over the place instead of just jumping if you can do it whenever.

actions in the action bar should be reserved for combat/crafting situations. anything else should be an emote or accessed from the menu.

if there's a story line event where you need to break down a wall or something, a neat animation would help with immersion, but the time to animate something unique for each class is time i'd rather see spent elsewhere.

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In otherwords you dont want new content/situations, you want get stuck with old stuff?

Watch what you writtin... if they add a new ability to a class/job of course (at least me) expect them to do a unique animation for it....

As side note,for your information, there is already actions you can perform freely, such like "Flare", , "Blizzara" or even "Elusive Jump".

Btw in what do you want developers to spent their time then? creatin fancy items for collector editor owners as you requesting on your other post "Question on 2.0"?.

Btw im not askin them to add the actions exactly as im tellin, they just ideas of something better they can do with jump... there is a forum they asked for ideas... whats your negative about it?

Jump can be used for terrain navigation, events (bunny hop 40,000x to get your rarab egg), Achievements (bunny hop 500,000,000x to unlock the title: Viera wannabe), and for additional terrain navigation...

But battle?

No, the system is just not made for it.

EDIT: Actually, I can think of one battle use.. just like Odin in FFXI, Titan could count down to AOE earthquake.. then everyone jumps at last minute to reduce damage.

On second thought, jump only lasts a second, and any network lag = lots of angry players... so nevermind.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Jump can be used for terrain navigation, events (bunny hop 40,000x to get your rarab egg), Achievements (bunny hop 500,000,000x to unlock the title: Viera wannabe), and for additional terrain navigation...

But battle?

No, the system is just not made for it.

EDIT: Actually, I can think of one battle use.. just like Odin in FFXI, Titan could count down to AOE earthquake.. then everyone jumps at last minute to reduce damage.

On second thought, jump only lasts a second, and any network lag = lots of angry players... so nevermind.

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Did you take your time to read the OP carefully? cause the way im suggestin to use it as, dont have any issue with lag or server delay or anything related to "time response" issues.

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

Did you take your time to read the OP carefully? cause the way im suggestin to use it as, dont have any issue with lag or server delay or anything related to "time response" issues.

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Yes, I read the OP..

I was wondering (outloud) if a synched countdown could bypass the lag coming from the server.. but as the Jump action is instant rather than persistent (like sitting) it does nothing for the client-side lag. So a 'duck-under-Odin's-blade' type maneuver just wouldn't work with jump.

Also, as I said earlier, your proposal just adds extra layers of complexity to what should be a straight-forward move. Why should we have to push the jump button to activate "Flying Kick" when it makes more sense to just have the "Flying Kick button activate the entire thing?

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

In otherwords you dont want new content/situations, you want get stuck with old stuff?

Watch what you writtin... if they add a new ability to a class/job of course (at least me) expect them to do a unique animation for it....

As side note,for your information, there is already actions you can perform freely, such like "Flare", , "Blizzara" or even "Elusive Jump".

Btw in what do you want developers to spent their time then? creatin fancy items for collector editor owners as you requesting on your other post "Question on 2.0"?.

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Elusive jump serves a combat function. it also doesn't require more than one button press.

Flare, blizzara are spells. to my knowledge you must target something (an attackable NPC) to cast them.

Aura pulse can be done 'freely' as long as you have TP. as it does not require a target. it is a PBAoE. if this could hit switches this would serve the purpose you are implying. IE: the AoE can hit a switch/wall/NPC

New abilities are different than what you are asking for. you're asking for the ability to tie specific actions to jump. these can serve combat or non combat functions.

Yes, I feel that fancy items for CE and pre-order items are worthwhile. they server a business purpose and draw new players in. someone on the edge of deciding to play may decide to preorder if it comes with a cool item. This helps make SE money. gives players cool stuff. worthwhile.

someone who knows they are going to play will spend more money on CE if there is a fancy item. Makes SE more money. Gives players cool stuff. this is worthwhile. There is also no other thread talking about this subject. It's also a secondary question to what my real question was. but that's off topic.

adding this to the jump function doesn't really improve anything. there is a specific thread talking about functionality of jump. you should be posting there IMO. by posting here you open your opinion to our opinions. the general opinion is this is a bad idea.

So sorry. get over it. it's a bad idea to combine jump to already existing actions or new actions. vast improvements to latency will be needed, as we already have some issues with latency and executing combos from specific areas.

any new actions that involve a jump, especially applicable to combat situations, should not be tied to some weird jump combo you have to execute through several button presses. you should just be able to press the button and your character should just jump on their own.

I also feel 'jump' actions should really be DRG exclusive. that's their thing. I don't need a flying kick on MNK. I'd rather have a new 'punch mob in the face' ability or some improvements to spinning heal.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Yes, I read the OP..

I was wondering (outloud) if a synched countdown could bypass the lag coming from the server.. but as the Jump action is instant rather than persistent (like sitting) it does nothing for the client-side lag. So a 'duck-under-Odin's-blade' type maneuver just wouldn't work with jump.

Also, as I said earlier, your proposal just adds extra layers of complexity to what should be a straight-forward move. Why should we have to push the jump button to activate "Flying Kick" when it makes more sense to just have the "Flying Kick button activate the entire thing?

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I never mentioned using Jumps to evade attacks btw.... i mentioned to use to jump obstacles... such like fences, slops and what not...

About your point about it would be easier to just click "Flying Kick" action instead "Flying Kick" > "Jump" instead, you are completelly right about it... as said since very OP.... its just an idea... not to be implemented like that, is just an example, and Developers could get something way better worked out it.

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Originally Posted by Onisake

Elusive jump serves a combat function. it also doesn't require more than one button press.

Flare, blizzara are spells. to my knowledge you must target something (an attackable NPC) to cast them.

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Flare and Blizzara and much less Elussive jump doesnt require a target to be used.

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Originally Posted by Onisake

New abilities are different than what you are asking for. you're asking for the ability to tie specific actions to jump. these can serve combat or non combat functions.

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You got me wrong here.... Im not askin about "Fying kick" to be implemented, much less for "Grab Fruit" im not askin for none action... what this post is about is about the idea of use Jump in conjuctiuon with another action for specialized uses.... as i said multiple times already "Flying Kick" is just an hipotetical useless action i just used as an example...

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Originally Posted by Onisake

Yes, I feel that fancy items for CE and pre-order items are worthwhile. they server a business purpose and draw new players in. someone on the edge of deciding to play may decide to preorder if it comes with a cool item. This helps make SE money. gives players cool stuff. worthwhile.

someone who knows they are going to play will spend more money on CE if there is a fancy item. Makes SE more money. Gives players cool stuff. this is worthwhile. There is also no other thread talking about this subject. It's also a secondary question to what my real question was. but that's off topic.

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We are getin out topic, but as your idea about this i dont agree with it, however i respect your wish and i dont go over your thread and tell you a "NO I DONT WANT THIS SO IS A NO" im open to opinions but please leave the decicion of "yes or no" to developers, also, you need to lear to read i believe since begining you tryin to take my post into something it isnt.

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Originally Posted by Onisake

adding this to the jump function doesn't really improve anything. there is a specific thread talking about functionality of jump. you should be posting there IMO. by posting here you open your opinion to our opinions. the general opinion is this is a bad idea.

So sorry. get over it. it's a bad idea to combine jump to already existing actions or new actions. vast improvements to latency will be needed, as we already have some issues with latency and executing combos from specific areas.

any new actions that involve a jump, especially applicable to combat situations, should not be tied to some weird jump combo you have to execute through several button presses. you should just be able to press the button and your character should just jump on their own.

I also feel 'jump' actions should really be DRG exclusive. that's their thing. I don't need a flying kick on MNK. I'd rather have a new 'punch mob in the face' ability or some improvements to spinning heal.

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Are you talkin for everyone in the forums dear? or only your own opinion?

You have your opinions i have my opinions please respect.

Check what you writin... show the lack of attention when you read other's post, you need learn not only to read but understand too.

As a side note, did ever someone played a game called "Golden Sun" for the Game Boy consoles? where you could use actions outside battles to solve some puzzles in game... that is what i wish for our game , stuff like that, in particular in this Thread, aiming it to "Jump"... and Golden Sun was far away from beign an action RPG.