Mob Levels

Ok so, I know that 2.0 is right around the corner and all that but I have a question that needs clearing up.

Basically, I'd like to know what the purpose of level 60+ mobs is in this game. I don't see why we need mobs above level 60 because a level 60 mob will kill me just as much as a level 79 mob.

Granted, a level 60 mob will usually take a few hits to bring me to 0 whereas a level 70+ mob will basically one shot me- the higher the level the higher the chance of one shottage.

However, I have noticed that they do severely limit my ability to explore and get the all of the nodes and camps. I can't even imagine going to some of these places in a group.

I can understand if a world boss or an open world HNM is level 75-80 or some such, but regular mobs? I think that's a bit much especially since most of them aggro.

I'm under the opinion of that they shouldn't even be in the game seeing as our level cap is 50.

So, yes, I'd appreciate any insight by the rest of the community! And possibly the Devs- that would be nice.

Thanks!

I think those mobs are a remnant of an unused design. How many camps and aetherial gates do not have any leves associated with them. Events and quests may call upon an obscure gate or location from time to time.

A level 60 mob is do-able in a full party.
A level 70+ mob is not. As you are correct, they deal 2000+ damage a hit and receive 1~7 damage.
Through great coordination, a server may be able to take down a single high level mob: Rainbow Basilisk, Guardian of the Grove, etc. even while doing 1~10 damage per hit and risking the retaliation of 9999 damage.

Some mobs, you react to sight ~ so running around their backsides may avoid alerting them.

Some mobs react to sound alone, so running and riding on chocoback alerts them, but walking does not trigger them even if they breath in your face.

If going for the achievement, I recommend running a zone every play session with a group of friends. Those that have the gate can act as decoys to buy you and others time. Taking turns as needed until everyone has the gate.

There's a lot of unused stuff in this version, like the empty Sylph village and Goldleaf Dais out in the Black Shroud northeast of Nine Ivies, the giant dragon carcass in the middle of Mor Dhona, or any of the countless tunnels to nowhere throughout the world.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

If going for the achievement, I recommend running a zone every play session with a group of friends. Those that have the gate can act as decoys to buy you and others time. Taking turns as needed until everyone has the gate.

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That's cheating! >:-O

Kidding, but I agree with your post. I'd like to add that there's a third type of aggro, called alternately "true sound" or "scent", where walking will only halve the detection radius, rather than eliminate it. Mobs with this aggro type include, most annoyingly, boars.

For these you either need to run by on chocobo and pray, wait for them to move out of the way, or use Wrist Flick to stun them and then hope you can get far enough past them after they recover.

Might as well mention that there is a small chance to evade even these high-level mobs. I managed to dodge an attack from a L70 boar on my way to... Longroot, I think, as a 21CUL.

The purpose of level 60+ monsters were to fight for exp, however SE in their infinite wisdom made calculations between your level versus monster level too severe that they can hit you for over your max HP in one hit the higher they go. Since the cap is 50 if they used XI's formula you could exp on level 60-68 monsters no problem, however once you hit 6+ levels apart it starts becoming a massacre.

Much like bosses at 75 were already hitting level 90+ and didn't auto oneshot you (unless it was their gimmick) so in this game the same could have been true, but this is why most bosses in XIV are actually around level 59 since they pose just enough challenge to kill you off easily.

O_O; I see...

The input is certainly appreciated. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels like this.

At the same time, it's a little disheartening. lol I tried going to the camps around Camp Broken Water. I got 2/3 nodes, but when I tried to make it to Zna'rk(or some such?) I got horribly owned. Still, I'll try and see if I can get a friend or two to come with me next time but I don't know how much good it will do if they get one shotted D=!!

However, I can see where you're coming from about the aggro types. Although, I'm having trouble differentiating between mobs that do sight or sound aggro. For some, I know which is which but for others- not so much.
Sadly, a most of the information about this game is very dated. D=!

I wish we at least had sneak and invis for this purpose >_<!
Or that Stealth didn't fail so much. v-v;
It should just Stealth you period and throw out the level requirement and slow movement speed. As a gatherer you can't do anything but gather anyway. You can't really gather high level gathering points since you will most likely fail and you can only use them once. D=

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Originally Posted by REDace0

That's cheating! >:-O

Kidding, but I agree with your post. I'd like to add that there's a third type of aggro, called alternately "true sound" or "scent", where walking will only halve the detection radius, rather than eliminate it. Mobs with this aggro type include, most annoyingly, boars.

For these you either need to run by on chocobo and pray, wait for them to move out of the way, or use Wrist Flick to stun them and then hope you can get far enough past them after they recover.

Might as well mention that there is a small chance to evade even these high-level mobs. I managed to dodge an attack from a L70 boar on my way to... Longroot, I think, as a 21CUL.

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Alternatively if you have Paladin just pop Hallowed Ground and jump on your chocobo to get through some of the more unforgiving parts.

I'll second the request for sneak/invis item or spell... there's a lot of world I'd like to explore. I like running around unexplored areas.

Stealth would be a way to do it. Just dropping the level requirement would give it a lot more functionality. You really can't go mine/harvest/fish nodes high above your level anyway.

-___-;; I just wish they would remove the level 60+ mobs from the game. That would make me a happy panda.

It should be noted though, that once you get all of the nodes, you really know your stuff. Not to mention it's a serious feeling of accomplishment. Getting The Wanderer's Shadow is still one of the happiest moments in the game for me. The best advice I can give is, don't keep bashing your head into a wall. If something doesn't work, try something new. I know when I was trying to get South Bloodshore, it took me almost an hour to realize that I could just walk past the crabs. I was getting so frustrated I just kept running in headlong and didn't think to try walking (it was one of my first nodes, so I hadn't really gotten a feel for the aggro mechanics).

I would recommend to anyone trying to get "The Wanderer's Shadow" this guide:

http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Wanderer...etherial_Gates

Some of the info might be outdated these days but from my experience it's still mostly accurate.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

-___-;; I just wish they would remove the level 60+ mobs from the game. That would make me a happy panda.

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Why so it makes traveling even more boring and less exciting?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I would recommend to anyone trying to get "The Wanderer's Shadow" this guide:

http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Wanderer...etherial_Gates

Some of the info might be outdated these days but from my experience it's still mostly accurate.

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Ohh! Thank you! I'll be sure to look at that! ^_^!!

Information about this game is usually very dated and recent info is hard to come by, since people aren't updating. ;_____;

My guess is that the updates shall happen after 2.0.

But yes, thanks for sharing!

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why so it makes traveling even more boring and less exciting?

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I'm not sure what you deem exciting Rokien but that is irrelevant at the moment.

Yes, there is a certain amount of rush and accomplishment when you are actually able to circumnavigate the level 60+ mobs. However, my problem is that I will run into these mobs in narrow stips where I can't really avoid them. Dying repeatedly to level 60, 70, 80, etc mobs is not exciting for me, it is a point of frustration.

We are given the achievement quests for Exploration. For me, having mobs that are such a high level does the opposite of condone exploration. It actually deters me from doing so.

I have expressed my frustration on this forum and asked for advice- and you know what?

People have given me advice and answered my questions. For that, I am happy and thankful.

You don't need to get so defensive over something that doesn't even effect the overwhelming majority of the game. The nodes and areas I talk about are rarely used, if at all.

Yeah that's the problem, even if you got molested by high level enemies in XI they didn't oneshot you at level cap so you had a chance of getting away even in narrow spots. Realistically instead of just removing em, they could just re-examine the calculations of it since that's the main reason high level enemis are more of a problem than they should be.

The achivements though you should know they made em for the long term of the game, so in 2.0 everything could be quite different as we know the maps will be, so they probably don't even expect many to try for em now lol. So really probably best to wait to see how 2.0 plays out since come 1.23 in a few weeks..they're pretty much done with 1.x lol. I can understand the frustration but it's more of a foundation problem rather than placement, since unlike XI you have native HP/MP regen that doesn't require traits even while on a mob hatelist in passive mode (just slows down), so you can recover some hp while trying to run away but the fact the Annole hits you for 7820 damage..yeah.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah that's the problem, even if you got molested by high level enemies in XI they didn't oneshot you at level cap so you had a chance of getting away even in narrow spots. Realistically instead of just removing em, they could just re-examine the calculations of it since that's the main reason high level enemis are more of a problem than they should be.

The achivements though you should know they made em for the long term of the game, so in 2.0 everything could be quite different as we know the maps will be, so they probably don't even expect many to try for em now lol. So really probably best to wait to see how 2.0 plays out since come 1.23 in a few weeks..they're pretty much done with 1.x lol. I can understand the frustration but it's more of a foundation problem rather than placement, since unlike XI you have native HP/MP regen that doesn't require traits even while on a mob hatelist in passive mode (just slows down), so you can recover some hp while trying to run away but the fact the Annole hits you for 7820 damage..yeah.

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This is also true.

I figured that the achievements were here to stay, but then again- I really wasn't certain just what was staying and what was leaving come 2.0. XD

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

Ohh! Thank you! I'll be sure to look at that! ^_^!!

Information about this game is usually very dated and recent info is hard to come by, since people aren't updating. ;_____;

My guess is that the updates shall happen after 2.0.

But yes, thanks for sharing!

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Be sure to comment on there if anything is outdated so I can update it, I still read the comments every now and then.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

We are given the achievement quests for Exploration. For me, having mobs that are such a high level does the opposite of condone exploration. It actually deters me from doing so.

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Seriously none of the nodes are a "Death trap" waiting to happen if your willing to wait even a few minutes for monster formations to clear up. Chocobos have made nodes a utter breeze to capture aside from like two of them.

I like that the threat of death is at least present somewhere in the world.

I actually enjoy the high level creatures out in the world. It provides a sense of danger and excitement to an otherwise incredibly boring aspect of the game -- I also like the idea of humbling the player by having creatures so strong that no one person could ever hope to kill them.

That said, I do agree that most of them should be toned down enough that a group of players could kill them and I like the idea of sneak+inv pots to the game.

Dread Spike, Hollowed Ground, Decoy, and Feather Foot. These are your friend when exploring.


I like the high level mobs cause its fun to try and get past em to see a area you've never seen before.

I would like to know what they plan to do with high level mobs come 2.0, I know I and many others enjoy sneaking around them and would be very sad panda if they went away.

High level mobs that are just barely killable with 16 people are fine, and they would be more than enough to give players a sense of danger when travelling around the world. I would feel intimidated by a level 65 mob too, even if I could survive 3-4 hits with stoneskin up. Having a single mob one-shot you for 9999 damage because the game suddenly thought you ran for 2 seconds even if you were in auto-walk mode is not exciting. It's just dumb.

It also makes no sense that there are common mobs in the game that are harder than the strongest endgame bosses. I mean you just got out of Ifrit Extreme and got all the phat lootz, and then you bump into a basilisk that deals three more damage to you in one regular attack than ifrit did with a special attack. Doesn't exactly make ifrit feel like the all powerful primal avatar that he's supposed to be.

I mean sure, when you increase the level cap and add new endgame bosses, then it would be fine to add mobs that are stronger than the current ifrit and garuda, but at any given point in the game's evolution, the strongest mobs should be the endgame bosses, not common pop mobs.

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you could keep (nearly) the same sense of danger by adding common pop mobs that were like 75% of ifrit extreme's strength. No one in their right mind would try to run straight through that mob's aggro range either.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

you could keep (nearly) the same sense of danger by adding common pop mobs that were like 75% of ifrit extreme's strength. No one in their right mind would try to run straight through that mob's aggro range either.

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Due to leashing mechanics this would deter nobody from running through a mini Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

you could keep (nearly) the same sense of danger by adding common pop mobs that were like 75% of ifrit extreme's strength. No one in their right mind would try to run straight through that mob's aggro range either.

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Ifrit extreme doesn't one-shot you, would be really easy unless there were at least 5 of them huddled together in a small area, at which point it would become impossible.

Could always let these strong mobs that guard hardtoget areas have longer leashes or something. Maybe the higher above you a mob is, the longer its leash could be? If it had increased movement speed and there were a few of them not too far apart, it could also pose a bit of a risk.

I mean I like that there actually is a leash on mobs in the first place, so that we don't have to run for 5 minutes straight just to get away from accidental aggro, but it seems like all mobs have almost the exact same leash. I dunno about you, but it would make sense that some mobs give up easier than others, based on various factors.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Could always let these strong mobs that guard hardtoget areas have longer leashes or something. Maybe the higher above you a mob is, the longer its leash could be? If it had increased movement speed and there were a few of them not too far apart, it could also pose a bit of a risk.

I mean I like that there actually is a leash on mobs in the first place, so that we don't have to run for 5 minutes straight just to get away from accidental aggro, but it seems like all mobs have almost the exact same leash. I dunno about you, but it would make sense that some mobs give up easier than others, based on various factors.

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Good ideas. So long as getting The Wanderer's Shadow is still an accomplishment, I don't care what they do. I want to have a title that shows I ran headlong into dangerous territory and lived to tell about it (well I probably didn't live through all of it, but you know what I mean.) I don't want this to be easy, otherwise they might as well turn it into an achievement for steps taken lol.

Game: You successfully walked 1 million steps! Congratulations!
Me: Who cares?