Easy housing sollution

Instead of adding new wards of the same "mistake" please add a new type of ward where every plot is capable of holding a small, medium or large house.

This way people won't have to fight over it or have a lottery and knowing that today several small plots are already vacated (not enough people want one) it would enable everyone to get a house without the need of more wards.

Think about it.. you buy a plot, buy a cottage.... get enough money.. upgrade to medium... get even more money... upgrade to a mansion.. this way when you find the perfect plot you won't have to ever think about moving again. The lottery can be maintained for when someone loses a house and people want that location.

SE Can even decide to build a new plot from scratch and place the housing in a way so no house feels out of place. Image a mirror version of the mist where you have the housing on an island with 4 rows of housing and on each side is a beach and sea. That way no one has to run far to get that sweet experience. They can easily do something similar to all housing wards.

There is ofcourse also the option of keeping several different types of wards.
Another option would be to have a ward with instanced houses where the outside is static but beautiful and would be treated similar to apartments. But when you go outside you would find yourself in some sort of park in the middle shared by everyone in the ward (with NPC's, market board & seating and maybe a fountain and some bushes/trees to top it off). That way more people can use the same ward with less effort for SE when it comes down to designing a new ward.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

There is ofcourse also the option of keeping several different types of wards.
Another option would be to have a ward with instanced houses where the outside is static but beautiful and would be treated similar to apartments. But when you go outside you would find yourself in some sort of park in the middle shared by everyone in the ward (with NPC's, market board & seating and maybe a fountain and some bushes/trees to top it off). That way more people can use the same ward with less effort for SE when it comes down to designing a new ward.

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This is what other games already do. Some of us play for the unique housing experience. If you want this, go play one of the thousand other games that already does it.

And some of us don't care for the unique housing experience. Go play in one of the other wards that already does it.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

And some of us don't care for the unique housing experience. Go play in one of the other wards that already does it.

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If you dont care for the unique housing experience go play one of the games that doesnt have the unique housing experience.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

The unique housing expierence of this game is utter dogshit and not worth perserving. I'd rather this game do what thousands of other games do better rather than be convinced this system is worth anything.

Current system is just a love letter to toxic elitists who think the artifical scarcity is a good thing, or just people who bot and exploit it. Burn it to the ground please.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

The unique housing expierence of this game is utter dogshit and not worth perserving. I'd rather this game do what thousands of other games do better rather than be convinced this system is worth anything.

Current system is just a love letter to toxic elitists who think the artifical scarcity is a good thing, or just people who bot and exploit it. Burn it to the ground please.

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You are more than welcome to play one of the multiple games with instanced housing.

Good luck over there !

I would very much enjoy it if the mods on these forums had a zero tolerance for toxic behavior and just banned everyone that behaved like a 3 year old.
Several people have been taking everything so damn personal lately but that still doesn't give them the right to disrespect other people.
People here all love Square enix and FFXIV and since they pay for their subscription its only normal they get a right to voice their opinion on the game or make a couple of suggestions which according to them might improve the experience for those that may be frustrated about something.

Don't like something said? Either reply respectfully like an adult or don't reply at all please. Last thing we need right now is everyone starting to sound like the average league of legend player.

On a personal note. Oizen I can sense a lot of frustration in your reply but I also see your point which is why I suggested a revamp which pretty much comes down to your "burning everything down" comment xD

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Originally Posted by SXTC

I would very much enjoy it if the mods on these forums had a zero tolerance for toxic behavior and just banned everyone that behaved like a 3 year old.
Several people have been taking everything so damn personal lately but that still doesn't give them the right to disrespect other people.
People here all love Square enix and FFXIV and since they pay for their subscription its only normal they get a right to voice their opinion on the game or make a couple of suggestions which according to them might improve the experience for those that may be frustrated about something.

Don't like something said? Either reply respectfully like an adult or don't reply at all please. Last thing we need right now is everyone starting to sound like the average league of legend player.

On a personal note. Oizen I can sense a lot of frustration in your reply but I also see your point which is why I suggested a revamp which pretty much comes down to your "burning everything down" comment xD

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They have their right to have an opinion, and so do the people on the other side.

Also dont come out here with that "I'm holy" attitude when your post on a different thread is extra toxic, I'll quote it for you.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

I was raised with manners so when I see others get disrespectful answers when they could easily get a more respectable one I'm left with 2 choices... either the people in question were deprived of oxygen too long and have possible brain damage or their IQ barely keeps them from forgetting how to breathe.
As you can see out of respect I added no names and pointed no fingers despite pointing out an obvious fact. If people are intellectual or wise, they will never give people rude personal replies so yes I agree with your post. We should always treat one another with the respect people deserve, its basic human decency.

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You have literally 0 right to call anybody toxic.

So the housing experience is supposed to be like living in a neighborhood. Except you got lots of bot owned houses, ppl keeping houses who don't play. Alt loophole houses and private player houses and venues.

The only reason any ward might be active is the venues. Otherwise you be hard pressed to see a ward with a active fc hanging qt their fc house.

The idea I see here isn't a bad one if it was instanced housing utilizing fc workshop to build up the plot and house size.

The current problem I actually see is that no one wants a small. You bound to see them open more. Players all want the mediums and larges due to space.

A small is actually good enough if you learn to decorate right and is a literal stepping stone to getting gil reduced if you win a lottery to relocate the small to a bigger plot.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

The unique housing expierence of this game is utter dogshit and not worth perserving. I'd rather this game do what thousands of other games do better rather than be convinced this system is worth anything.

Current system is just a love letter to toxic elitists who think the artifical scarcity is a good thing, or just people who bot and exploit it. Burn it to the ground please.

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Dead on 100%

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Originally Posted by SXTC

I would very much enjoy it if the mods on these forums had a zero tolerance for toxic behavior and just banned everyone that behaved like a 3 year old.
Several people have been taking everything so damn personal lately but that still doesn't give them the right to disrespect other people.
People here all love Square enix and FFXIV and since they pay for their subscription its only normal they get a right to voice their opinion on the game or make a couple of suggestions which according to them might improve the experience for those that may be frustrated about something.

Don't like something said? Either reply respectfully like an adult or don't reply at all please. Last thing we need right now is everyone starting to sound like the average league of legend player.

On a personal note. Oizen I can sense a lot of frustration in your reply but I also see your point which is why I suggested a revamp which pretty much comes down to your "burning everything down" comment xD

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Funny. In another topic on housing you outright disrespected people who posted their opinions saying that you told your fc you would be attacked.

Also yes, people do pay their subs which means you got no more right to tell them how you want them to respond then they do. You honestly might need to bite your tongue and just discuss with people and not keep saying this stuff.

Everyone has an opinion. These forums are also known to have lots of trolls and stuff who will try to set you off. However, this is the 2nd housing topic I've seen thus far from you where no one has trolled you or anything.

Just you whining because most didn't agree with you and had differing view points.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

I would very much enjoy it if the mods on these forums had a zero tolerance for toxic behavior and just banned everyone that behaved like a 3 year old.

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You'd be among the first to be banned, though. I wouldn't mind it.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

First thing I told my friends was that first thing that would happen is me getting rude replies from people who likely abuse the system since they'd feel personally attacked xD

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Here's you calling everyone who disagrees with you abusers because you can't handle criticism and don't know how to counter opposing views.

Why would everyone not then flock to that new ward to bid? I would see in your notion that even those that currently own a small or a medium would ALSO bid against you in your new ward in hopes they can wrangle this new plot type.

In my experience just putting about 40 wards and ditching the workshop connection to housing would probably meet the supply of people actually using housing for living in. A lot of folks I notice tend to get a house...then realize they have zero desire to decorate it. Let alone will spend any time at their home because lets be real - most the playerbase gathers where they can get stuff done such as aetherytes.

Footnote - this is not a unique system LOTRO/DAOC did it first.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Footnote - this is not a unique system LOTRO/DAOC did it first.

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Aion had it too. FFXIV is currently the only running game with a system like this as far as I am aware.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Why would everyone not then flock to that new ward to bid? I would see in your notion that even those that currently own a small or a medium would ALSO bid against you in your new ward in hopes they can wrangle this new plot type.

In my experience just putting about 40 wards and ditching the workshop connection to housing would probably meet the supply of people actually using housing for living in. A lot of folks I notice tend to get a house...then realize they have zero desire to decorate it. Let alone will spend any time at their home because lets be real - most the playerbase gathers where they can get stuff done such as aetherytes.

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I don't think there's that much general demand left to be met outside of Balmung and Mateus.

It's the size specific demand that isn't getting met and adding more wards won't fix that without creating new problems (such as leaving many currently full wards half empty as current small owners upgrade to medium/large).

I've met a lot of players who don't decorate when they first get their house not due to a lack of desire but from not knowing how to get started and a fear that they'll do it "wrong" somehow. I've had friends set me up as tenant in their new house to get me to decorate for them but I try to trick them into doing it with me so they get a feel for it. Most of the time they've taken over after I've helped get them through some basic decorating and demonstrated a few of the tricks.

As for getting stuff done, an aetheryte is not the place to do it lol. PF is far more useful than shout chat and PF can be accessed from any non-instanced area. Shout chat is limited to what's happening in that single zone.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I don't think there's that much general demand left to be met outside of Balmung and Mateus.

It's the size specific demand that isn't getting met and adding more wards won't fix that without creating new problems (such as leaving many currently full wards half empty as current small owners upgrade to medium/large).

I've met a lot of players who don't decorate when they first get their house not due to a lack of desire but from not knowing how to get started and a fear that they'll do it "wrong" somehow. I've had friends set me up as tenant in their new house to get me to decorate for them but I try to trick them into doing it with me so they get a feel for it. Most of the time they've taken over after I've helped get them through some basic decorating and demonstrated a few of the tricks.

As for getting stuff done, an aetheryte is not the place to do it lol. PF is far more useful than shout chat and PF can be accessed from any non-instanced area. Shout chat is limited to what's happening in that single zone.

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This isn't true of everyone. Lots have fc and non fc housing just to own the virtual plot and never play. Don't decorate etc.

Ya could always put up a pf offering to help new homeowners with decorating

A small is fine. It's just a matter of preference

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

A small is actually good enough if you learn to decorate right and is a literal stepping stone to getting gil reduced if you win a lottery to relocate the small to a bigger plot.

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I wonder how people would react if players and FCs were:

• required to own and build on a small lot before being able to bid on a medium, and
• required to own and build on a medium lot before being able to bid on a large.

Naturally, if you managed to upgrade, you'd lose your previous lot (with all the furnishing transferring into storage on the new lot).

Of course, this would only really apply to new subdivisions.

The only thing that's going to make people happy in this case is being given an instanced mansion that never goes away ever. That's literally all I see, people complaining they can't get a house but there are smalls sitting abandoned.

For the people offering solutions, save your breath. The only acceptable outcome is instanced housing with everyone having their own mansion.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

For the people offering solutions, save your breath. The only acceptable outcome is instanced housing with everyone having their own mansion.

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That's just your opinion. While housing could be improved in many ways, for me an acceptable solution is to leave it as it is -- after opening up the remaining wards on Dynamis.

The fact that the remaining wards on Dynamis are not open yet says something about SE's perception of the need for more housing. Yeah, I know, people don't want to move their characters to another world just to own a house.
SE may interpret that as indicating that housing is not a high priority for almost all the people who don't yet own a house.
And they may be right.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

The only thing that's going to make people happy in this case is being given an instanced mansion that never goes away ever. That's literally all I see, people complaining they can't get a house but there are smalls sitting abandoned.

For the people offering solutions, save your breath. The only acceptable outcome is instanced housing with everyone having their own mansion.

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Which is an exaggeration. Not everyone is looking for a mansion.

What most players are looking for is a house on their main character's server. They don't want to have to move their character to another world just for a house.

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Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant

SE may interpret that as indicating that housing is not a high priority for almost all the people who don't yet own a house.
And they may be right.

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I would mostly agree with that the complaints are coming from players that want a house but don't see it as a high priority.

If someone wanted a house that much, they would move to where the houses are available. Data center travel is a lot more convenient than most want to think (though it will be a problem the first week or two of Dawntrail launch due to general congestion when players want to return to their home worlds) and most players are already taking advantage of outside communications apps such as Discord to talk with their friends whether they're in game or not.

But player dissatisfaction goes beyond whether or not they can get any house. There are still the factors of location and size. Getting everyone a small is not going to stop the complaints from those who want a medium or large. There are things that can be done in a large that can't be done with a small.

A good instanced system would have addressed size, location and availability issues from the start. Those who are using housing as a prestige system could still have the prestige by using a detailed decorating style even if they couldn't fall back on "I got lucky and own a LB 41 and you don't". It's usually not the size that impresses other players. It's what has been done with the space the player has that impresses. No one is going "wow you have an empty large, I'm so jealous". They're going "you have an empty large, what a waste of potential".

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Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant

That's just your opinion. While housing could be improved in many ways, for me an acceptable solution is to leave it as it is -- after opening up the remaining wards on Dynamis.

The fact that the remaining wards on Dynamis are not open yet says something about SE's perception of the need for more housing. Yeah, I know, people don't want to move their characters to another world just to own a house.
SE may interpret that as indicating that housing is not a high priority for almost all the people who don't yet own a house.
And they may be right.

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The main complaint I personally see is that there's too much competition for mansions/"prime plots" which is causing a false sense of a housing shortage. People say: "There's no houses available." when they actually mean "The plots I want aren't available." and scream for a fix. But there are literally thousands of houses available in the game still, Dynamis holding the bulk but there are still 100+ on most of the other servers.

Why do small houses sit abandoned or only have a couple of bids?
Why do 200+ people fight over a mansion instead of taking an easy win and upgrading later?

People want what they want and won't take less, that's all I've learned from threads like this when I've even offered the solution of finding something reasonable to acquire on servers outside of Dynamis (I won my small private 50/50 on Crystal in my first week). They say:

"Why should I take a small when I want a medium or a large?"
"It's a video game, I should be able to get whatever I want."

Taking Midgardsormr on Aether, for example:
On Paissa, there are several small privates up for bid right now. I've counted 10-15 so far that have 3 bids or less on them, creating a pretty good shot at getting a house (especially if you slide in to the ones that only have 1 bid currently).

Meanwhile, there are two larges that have over 100 bids each, with one having over 200 bids.

It seems people would rather fight over a 200 bid mansion, which doesn't make sense to me. Why not just get something you have good odds on and then fight for your mansion afterwards? At least you have a house.
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As far as opening wards on Dyna:

They should open them up tbh...and then we can watch as people start complaining that there's a shortage again as soon as they lose their bid on the plots they want there. It's a never-ending cycle that won't stop unless people learn to compromise on what they want or Square opens up instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Taking Midgardsormr on Aether, for example:
On Paissa, there are several small privates up for bid right now. I've counted 10-15 so far that have 3 bids or less on them, creating a pretty good shot at getting a house (especially if you slide in to the ones that only have 1 bid currently).

Meanwhile, there are two larges that have over 100 bids each, with one having over 200 bids.

It seems people would rather fight over a 200 bid mansion, which doesn't make sense to me. Why not just get something you have good odds on and then fight for your mansion afterwards? At least you have a house.

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To be fair, the majority of those fighting over the large are probably already owners trying to relocate. Very few of those bids are likely to be coming from players that are houseless.

That's one problem with the system - we can't tell who is a new buyer and who is a relocator. That makes a lot of players feel like the "homeless crisis" is bigger than it really is.

Those dozen houses with 3 or fewer bids are a far more accurate representation of just how many players on that world are still trying to get their first house.

As for Dynamis, I'm fairly certain those wards will end up opening by Dawntrail launch to give the new Xbox players a chance at a better selection of houses. It makes sense to hold off until the new players have had time to meet purchase requirements and earn sufficient gil to purchase at least a small if not medium or large.