New Party Option - Tent

Here's a very Final Fantasy-ish idea that could enhance the party system greatly.

The Tent

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The Tent (テント, Tento) is a recurring item from the series. In some games, the Tent completely restores the HP and MP of all allies, and in others, it only recovers a specific amount of HP and MP.

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Here's how I think we can have the Tent in FFXIV:

• A party option only leaders can use, it can be activated / set up if the party has 6 or more members.
• It works as a temporary Camp, can be used to restore the HP and MP of the party. (With a cool-down of course, 10 to 30 minutes.)
• Becomes a temporary home point for Party Members.
• Once a Tent is activated, no other tents can be set up close to it, within a calculated distance. (This should stop other parties from stealing camps.)

Since we refer to party gathering spots as "Camps" They should look like actual camps. I think this idea will give the party system more appeal and it can be developed to give us more features, challenges and achievements in the future.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9623/camp1.png

I'd like this. A lot.

Though, it does kind of make me wish there was a reoccurring party feature -- i.e. when logging in you automatically rejoin your party, and if you logged off in that party's tent, even if the tent has been moved, you can start off in that tent, as if you've stayed with the party whilst logged off / sleeping.

Heck, it could even eventually have new uses for leves, on the go!

yeah but would need a maximum time it can be used like 3 hours or something.
If not people might put there tent a great leveling spot for one day and nobody else could play around...

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

yeah but would need a maximum time it can be used like 3 hours or something.
If not people might put there tent a great leveling spot for one day and nobody else could play around...

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To be honest, it'd probably require a world even more vast than what's promised with 2.0. Either that or a camp could instance the area around you while in the party that made the camp, but I'd rather stay away from that. Generally it just seems like the range on these camps should be pretty big. You shouldn't be packing up every ten minutes or so to move to a new spot, or even every hour. If we got some actual moving groups in our AI, the two factors should mostly keep spots from being pinned down completely.

Again though, I really want a huge world for this.

I don't think it needs a vast area or an instance. It can be treated as a Levequest. In a levequest your home point changes temporarily, as well as your BGM and Map.

I like the temporary home point idea.

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Originally Posted by ShellQ8

I don't think it needs a vast area or an instance. It can be treated as a Levequest. In a levequest your home point changes temporarily, as well as your BGM and Map.

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I was referring to more of the feel a camp would be meant to give off, or at least commonly does in Final Fantasy titles -- reprieve certainly, but also usually given some manner of isolation and / or being surrounded by something more arduous. Two camps on either side of a range of Dodos or staked out next to a single NM wouldn't contribute much to that feeling. That's not to say that the idea will at all become useless. It just won't be some shining example of 'what it means to be FF' or something equally sappy / nostalgic.

That said, the above feedback is fairly useless. Really, I just need to better figure out the factors involved and come up with a fix for whatever I perceive as problematic without creating new problems, especially for whatever other side may exist. Please don't take me too seriously until I've finished my due work in that area. :p

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Originally Posted by Goufunaki

I like the temporary home point idea.

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Just a quick question then. Do you think it should be usable solo? Also, should there be a difference between a "tent" and a "camp", i.e. one gives rested and buffs while waiting there, and the other while logged off at it, camp perhaps requiring a party, and a tent usable for either?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Heck, it could even eventually have new uses for leves, on the go!

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I'm really out of it tonight, so I'll just ask plainly: does anyone have anything they'd like to see happen for this? Or is it just a bad idea?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Just a quick question then. Do you think it should be usable solo? Also, should there be a difference between a "tent" and a "camp", i.e. one gives rested and buffs while waiting there, and the other while logged off at it, camp perhaps requiring a party, and a tent usable for either?

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I didn't have bonuses in mind, just something to help save a long run back to where exp camp is for at least one time after you die. Was mainly thinking how some people forget to set a home point at a leve camp (I've done that sometimes). Then you get those that choose to sit and wait for a raise where they died while the rest of the party returns and fights their way back to where they were.

Probably one of the best idea around. I can see few issues arises but good basic concept overall.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Probably one of the best idea around. I can see few issues arises but good basic concept overall.

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Thank you, yeah it can't be implemented easily, needs to be studied to see how much it would effect areas with multiple parties + how to not allow RMT to exploit it, among many things. But if it can be done, then it would be an amazing upgrade to the party system.

Bumping; come on, it's tents, it's for parties, it links to many, many other opportunities...

It would be nice to be able to put tents up when everyone is taking a break, when you're in the camp no monsters would target you. It would also be nice to do it when multiple people need to recover from weakness. I like this idea.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Bumping; come on, it's tents, it's for parties, it links to many, many other opportunities...

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+1
This has to be thoroughly discussed before 2.0

This idea has WIN written all over it. This may even keep traditional pulling camps alive for those that want it, alongside the upcoming quest-chained system.

Kudos on the choice of imagery too OP.

I love and support this idea. Very well thought out FF concept to be used in XIV.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

This idea has WIN written all over it. This may even keep traditional pulling camps alive for those that want it, alongside the upcoming quest-chained system.

Kudos on the choice of imagery too OP.

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Thanks, I totally agree that this will keep the traditional pulling camps alive.
I love these parties, in every single one of them you get to befriend new people and plan for future parties together. So improving this party system is a must.

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Originally Posted by Koku

I love and support this idea. Very well thought out FF concept to be used in XIV.

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Thanks. ^^

Cool idea but, I really have a feeling SE is trying to step away from players and parties excluding each other like this. It won't help with people stealing camps all it does is open your party to being ganked/mpk'd on your spawn point...

I think it might be more possible to set-up camps like the ones that we have already.

Have a burned out campfire as a marker for the camp. Use a tent and voila the camp through a short cutscene (this could be really cool) and bam, you have a mini camp with a home point and a place to restore HP/MP. Limit the home point to the party of who ever setup the camp, but allow any player to visit and restore their HP/MP.

Done this way it would be a great place to interact with other players in the open world.

(Not trying to steal your thunder, just offering another point of view)

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Originally Posted by ShivenCasull

Cool idea but, I really have a feeling SE is trying to step away from players and parties excluding each other like this. It won't help with people stealing camps all it does is open your party to being ganked/mpk'd on your spawn point...

I think it might be more possible to set-up camps like the ones that we have already.

Have a burned out campfire as a marker for the camp. Use a tent and voila the camp through a short cutscene (this could be really cool) and bam, you have a mini camp with a home point and a place to restore HP/MP. Limit the home point to the party of who ever setup the camp, but allow any player to visit and restore their HP/MP.

Done this way it would be a great place to interact with other players in the open world.

(Not trying to steal your thunder, just offering another point of view)

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You make a good point too. The goal should be to lean more towards random ways to come across other players by putting up a safe haven/camp/flag for anybody passing through, simultaneously offering a temporary bonus to them for sitting by the fire and recharging/resting for a bit. From there, parties and friendships could form. It could also be a good place for any local cooks to make and sell some of their food, as well as a place to offer/receive repairs. The camps themselves should timeout after a certain amount of time to avoid (forgive the pun) "camping" vital spots on the map.

In Tera, players can hold "campfires" in their inventories as items and place them anywhere in the field, allowing for anybody in proximity to regain their Stamina gauge back to full along with bonus percentages. Something similar to this, but with more social features would be fantastic.

Camps and Tents could even be separate ideas:

A Tent Item (includes one tent and campfire) could be something a solo player could setup anywhere to regain HP/MP while simultaneously offering proximity heals to players nearby.

Camps could be something that forms when 2-3 or more other players also choose to use their tents in proximity to yours (a message could pop up asking "Do you want to join or form a camp with this player?" when they use their tent near yours) naturally forming an official campsite with stat bonuses, temporary home point, and bazaar access (not to mention HP/MP regen) similar to how light parties and full parties are activated. Each player's tent will have its own timer, but as long as any player's tent is still active, the campfire will stay in place for HP/MP regen purposes and only "camp status" will change.

If a player logs out while in a tent or camp, he/she could get exp bonus (just like your inn/home) next time they log back in and they can continue right from where they left off before.

This could work, with a different gameplay, than what we have now. Currently there's no real need for tents or camps that restore your HP/MP, and when you do need them there's either an Aetherite close enough, or a potion in inventory and the regeneration rates while passive mode are ok. Not to mention most activities that are heavy on our HP/MP are instanced and limited to 30 minutes. I do like the premise, just can't see how it could be made useful. . . .

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

This could work, with a different gameplay, than what we have now. Currently there's no real need for tents or camps that restore your HP/MP, and when you do need them there's either an Aetherite close enough, or a potion in inventory and the regeneration rates while passive mode are ok. Not to mention most activities that are heavy on our HP/MP are instanced and limited to 30 minutes. I do like the premise, just can't see how it could be made useful. . . .

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Perhaps tents could offer something unique like temporary HP/MP bonuses (i.e. +30 HP/MP) which could stack over food bonuses. Could be a good strategy to form one right before entering any major battle.

I kind of like the idea...

There's a lot of ways it can go though. We have plenty of unused fireplaces in the game, perhaps tent items can transform those abandoned locations into functional temporary party camps for activities like party training (a way to start a Party Training quest or something?)

There would have to be some limit of course on the use of this function, it wouldn't be usable in some areas due to congestion (perhaps too close to an Atheric gate or Atherite?) or have designated areas in which camps could be used.

In any case, I really hope it also results in a graphic that displays when it's in use. Maybe even within the area there's a bonus to HP/MP regeneration or grants a swifter growing version of Rested XP bonus.

Lots of ways to go with this, but I do believe it's a neat idea and would love to see some form of it implemented.

Ok, I'm going to post my idea in here, because I think these two ideas can go really well with each other. So with the "tent" you can create camp fire or whatever. With that camp fire you can cook bigger meals. Here is my thread pertaining to food. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-with-Rokien!

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

I kind of like the idea...
There's a lot of ways it can go though. We have plenty of unused fireplaces in the game, perhaps tent items can transform those abandoned locations into functional temporary party camps for activities like party training (a way to start a Party Training quest or something?)

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I really think SE could take this idea and run with it. Especially with the example the OP pointed out.

Make beautiful areas in these new zones for players to go visit and camp.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6456/ffxivv.jpg

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Originally Posted by ShellQ8

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6456/ffxivv.jpg

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haha nicely done
i love it

nice idea Shell, but I also have an idea for it as well....
What if the tent had a chest feature in it, so if you were gathering or crafting or whatever you may be doing, you can store items in the chest and proceed with your business. And along with the 3 hour pop up rate, you can store items and if your camp de-pops it will just hold everything you stored and you will not be able to obtain your items until you can pop the tent back up, 3 hours later or whatever.


but it's just a thought, maybe it can make it more interesting :)

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Originally Posted by maark

nice idea Shell, but I also have an idea for it as well....
What if the tent had a chest feature in it, so if you were gathering or crafting or whatever you may be doing, you can store items in the chest and proceed with your business. And along with the 3 hour pop up rate, you can store items and if your camp de-pops it will just hold everything you stored and you will not be able to obtain your items until you can pop the tent back up, 3 hours later or whatever.

but it's just a thought, maybe it can make it more interesting :)

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Just have to make sure that extended-duration loot list isn't lost on DC and I'm sold. Nvm, that's dev work, not conceptual - sorry for even mentioning it.

However, could we take it one step further and at a communal feature? For example, let's say my party (of 5?) each has a Disciple of the Hand class they're high in and a three or four others they're not as great in. We set out tools that the others could use directly out of the communal inventory, with a communal pile-up of lumber, ingots, gems, leather, and the like to be grabbed directly. Same for food, etc. What's given to communal will be retracted unless you tell it not to when you leave party, in which case it'll be retracted when the party disbands. Can additionally be taken back, manually, at any time when online.

Possible secondary inventory storable to be withdrawable again when the tent is redeployed, as you said, but including the communal space. Probably only 25 to 50 items per individual.

I still like the idea of being able to have consistent (automatically joined when logging back in) parties, and being able to return to that party's tent even if it's moved since you logged out, but I haven't really seen any other opinions on that point specifically.

Great suggestion

What I like the most about this idea is that it will give us a chance to explore and look for new camps. It's not like this game has only 2 camps for level 40 (Natalan and SH) If we look around (Specially after 2.0) We will find tons of other camps which might be much better and more suited for the Party Setup.

So if a camp is taken, it just means (Look for another camp)
And each Free Company would start looking for their own favorite/personal camping spot for future parties.

It would be really helpful to add this option included in the game. Going through dungeons will be a breeze having it here, and the fact that it might work as a temporary camp is very brilliant.

I really hope they include it in 2.0! great thread Shell! :D

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Originally Posted by Exyumiria

It would be really helpful to add this option included in the game. Going through dungeons will be a breeze having it here, and the fact that it might work as a temporary camp is very brilliant.

I really hope they include it in 2.0! great thread Shell! :D

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Thanks Exyumiria!

Yes please.