So many people get frustrated that you have to pretty much "skip" most of the content placed in the dungeons in order to speed run the chests at the end.
I have a solution that I think will please most people.
Place "milestone"-type mobs similar to Dynamis timestones throughout the dungeon. Killing a milestone mob will add 2-5 minutes to your clock.
For people who like to take their time getting to the end, killing lots of mobs along the way, this will allow them to make it to the end before the designated "speed-run" time. (while increasing the real time it takes to defeat the dungeon)
For people who like to skip content and do speed-runs as they are currently set up, nothing changes.
People who skip milestone mobs will get more runs in than people who don't skip milestone mobs, but this method rewards both strategies with "speed-run" chests at the end of a dungeon, assuming they make it before the time required.
This rewards members who are good at killing, and not just members who are good at running.
A Solution to Speed Runs, Making Everyone Happy
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07-11-2012, 09:48 AMDeltaraA Solution to Speed Runs, Making Everyone Happy
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07-11-2012, 12:16 PMChardrizard
Except you ddont really skip much in newer dungeons, you need to clear like 70% of'em at AV and almost 90% at CC.
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07-11-2012, 02:41 PMDeadRiser
Either way, I hate speedruns. Promotes class/job stacking. I know people have done it without stacking, but as far as pick up groups go...
This whole game does not need to be done just between LS's. That's all I'm gonna say... -
07-13-2012, 01:42 AMGolnanI agree with this sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
And for the people who are unavoidably going to spout the generic dribble about how "Content should be harder to promote Linkshell co-operation!" are ultimately forgetting that this game is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.
The "Massively" part pretty much speaks for itself, doubly so because it is capitalized. As to what effect having a word capitalized has on it's importance, you'll have to look it up for yourself. Anyway, it's capitalized, and that's that.
Now, why should we be playing a game that promotes it self as "Massively" (remember, capitalized) and have quite a good chunk of the games content force us to all segregate off into our little groups that just don't seem all that massive in the scheme of things? Just doesn't make sense fellas.
I mean, I understand the point of having Linkshells, I just don't understand why the community seems to think so little of one another you can't invite each other into your speed-run parties because you doubt each others' ability.
Though to be fair, a good 80% of you are horrible players and I'd never ever invite you to one of my parties. I mean, really, I hate all so much sometimes. So damn much. I know I'm generalizing when I say 80% of you are bad based on a very small slice but some of you are pretty damn stupid.
It's getting to the point where I'll just go around repairing my party members primal weapons and what-not that they have on repair request for one gil just out of spite.
Why can't we keep difficult content and you can all just step it up a bit and stop being so damn casual.
BLM/WAR onry players are the worst in my experience, and they play the jobs that are most desired for speed-runs, which seems a bit counter productive.
So in short, stop being bad at the game. And SE, stop putting in speed-runs because they are stupid and trivialise content, seriously it isn't heroic to plow through a dungeon as fast as you can and only goes to show how much of a joke the dungeon is if we can just waltz on through it like it's nobodies business and then get extra loot because of it. -
07-13-2012, 01:50 AMKioteI agree Whole Heartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
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07-13-2012, 04:16 AMDeadRiser
I hope Golnan wans't chunking me into the 80% are bad players or whatever... lol I've done my share of speed runs on AV.
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07-13-2012, 04:22 AMBabydollThis this so much this! That is the problem I have with this game...I don't want to have to do everything with the same people over and over..Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
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07-13-2012, 10:31 AMChardrizard
Pick up group always with least resistance path, nobody is gonna change that, its the same with all MMO, if everyone hated class stacking so much then gather the same minded ppl, if you cant find them.. Go figure.. Maybe its not 'everyonne' after all.
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07-14-2012, 02:47 AMArlenI would rather play with a terrible player than one with an elitist attitude problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golnan
Seriously...these are the people that make others too intimidated to join parties.
Give me a good natured and patient "pretty damn stupid" person....over a person like Golnan...anyday. -
07-14-2012, 05:56 PMPhenidateI dunno, it's nice to go do something in a group and not fail 4-6 times because people keep screwing up. When I want to go do something and get it done, I at least know Golnan won't fuck around if he's put in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arlen
Atittude aside, he makes clear what the battleplan is, explains fights to anyone who hasn't done them before etc. He just has zero patience for people who want to go in and be lazy letting others do the work, or refuse to listen to the leader.
Was doing a hamlet the other night, first time over at Aleport Hamlet def. Got picked up for a group with Golnan and he took the time to tell me where stuff spawns and what I need to do. He blew up at a WHM who was sitting in the back.
Of course, this is also the WHM that literally let two of the third liners die (SLOWLY mind you, it's not like they went from full hp to 0 real fast, she had plenty of time) while she just stood there throwing out protects and buffs at stuff with full health. I really wish I had taken a screenshot to show just what this looked like, but she wasn't more than 5 feet away from the first.
I don't think I've seen him chew anyone out unless they actually screw up. Considering how much time he spends outside a fight prepping people, him getting angry when they ignore directions, advice, and guides he passes out isn't too hard to imagine.
At the least, I like getting 60k+ every hamlet defense, four or five times in a row with the guy. He sure as heck gets results if you listen to him. -
07-14-2012, 07:05 PMChardrizardHere is a word of advice, nice people are cool and all but nice people doesnt help you clear content, good players does. Also, elitists only exists because there are so many bad players around. People dont become picky and bitchy for the hell of it. Its often for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arlen
Most elitists in my servers are nice people if you doesnt play like a monkey and gear like a retard, people are always happy when you help the team win. -
07-15-2012, 02:32 AMAmyNeudaiz
The word elitist gets thrown around so much, most people who get called elitist aren't even elitists. I got called elitist on more that one occasion for various reasons, none of which are from being an elitist.
So, what I'm trying to say is just because someone is a good player doesn't make them elitist, there can be nice, non elitist players who are good at the game so it doesn't have to be: A.) Play with bad casuals and lose or B.) Play with elitist assholes and win.
Besides there are plenty of really bad elitists in this game. -
07-17-2012, 01:33 AMDeadRiserI've seen my fair share of elitists on Sargatanas lol.... would blame the loss of Ifrit on DRG's when she wasn't alive half the time and didn't buff anyone with songs. I've taught new people Moogle and Ifrit and still do that today. No one is going to learn the hard content if good people don't show them how to do it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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07-17-2012, 08:40 AMAlkimi
I've done a fair few pickups, particularly AV runs and they're not so bad. As long as a few people know what they're doing, particularly the tank, then you should at least get a win out of it. Speed runs however are doubtful without a good bit of practice.
From what I've seen on Ragnarok, linkshells will often supplement their runs with a couple of pickups if they don't have 8 available. As long as they don't screw up massively all the time they'll get invited again. I used this to gain a lot of experience and am now leading my own runs. -
07-17-2012, 09:42 AMyialee
All i gotta say is "that too weak", alot ppl keep saying need blm and war for speed run or to be done. You can do speed run av/cc with random job that like whm pld blm drg mnk etc. All it take is skill player that proby didnt get pler to 50.
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07-17-2012, 10:24 AMElexiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Babydoll
That's usually the point of linkshell/guilds...doing things with your same group of people lol. The only reason it's bad in XIV is because no one really takes this game seriously in terms of general users. -
07-17-2012, 12:18 PMGemGenie
SE is pretty stubborn about this or maybe they just ignore the non jp forum. There had been some comments in this forum before stating that speed run pretty much screw up the game when ppl focusing on 25 min speed run.
Now with the relic quest, SE once again introduce 17 min speed run.
So ya, it's heading that direction.
The game is supposed to have fun, but now it's much more stressful than real life work because u need to keep focus, not doing absolutely anything wrong. Or u elite leader will shout at u, convincing u that u r so suck and please go die because u just wasted ur LS mates time for a failed speed run. -
07-17-2012, 01:47 PMAsiaine
I don't like speed run if it's a requirement.
I like speed run if it's not a requirement, i.e.: Yaay, we did it in 15 minutes! (Just so we know how well we are doing).
But it should not affect outcome.
This makes it so we are mindless drones having to repeat the exact same clicks in a pre-determined fashion to get to the end in time.
I've reached a point where 'all' I need is only obtainable via speed run. No real incentive to go with friends or pick-up-groups or new people now, other than to teach them or have some general fun. Knowing full well I will get nothing from the chests because it will not be under a certain time limit. -
07-18-2012, 12:52 PMDeadRiser
It still surprises me that some people defend this system.. apparently it separates the "good from the bad".
All in all, to me it separates the people that play >2345892348 a week from the people that only play <15 hours a week. Speed runs aren't even hard, they are THE most boring thing in the game.
The fight for United We Stand. THAT was fun. There was no speed run in it, you just need to complete it. -
07-18-2012, 10:53 PMVelhartThis I can agree to. While I do not condone elitist behavior, I get more mad dieing from people's incompetence than whatever asshole thing another player is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chardrizard
Speed runs are pretty much one of the largest reasons that class stacking exists. While not saying class stacking wouldn't exist anyways, the speed run method pretty much promotes what SE is trying to fix. Its like trying to fix something by simply beating it with a hammer, all you are doing is making it worse. I think speed run challenges are just artificial difficulty and should only be an achievement, not an actually requirement. People can disagree with me all they want, but that is what I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiaine
I wish I was in fights in dungeons that didn't have me worry over the clock, wishful thinking right now though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadRiser
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07-20-2012, 07:15 AMReika
I really hope the speed run concept is eliminated in V2.0. It's just too boring. I dont even like how the dungeons has the short time limits before they kicks you out.