materias for Viper question

Im really looking forward to the dual wielding melee dps making it my alt and all i can say is im very excited! I get that assassins creed vibe which i love :D My question is what materias they mainly focused on and for secondary option? (DET, CRIT, DH, SKS) Im already hunting down scouting gear sets and aiming accessories (regret discarding it away T___T) so i can be ready and prepared when DT launches. Thanks!

Nobody knows what Viper will look like, but if you just want stuff for leveling it really doesn't matter. You could go full skill speed and all of the gear will be replaced before you're halfway to max level in Dawntrail. If you really want to pre-meld your gear just max crit wherever possible and det or dhit where crit is already capped.

There is about an 80% chance that Viper will want 0 skillspeed. A ~19% chance that it will want an amount of skill speed to meet some specific GCD breakpoint, and a 1% chance that it will want an undefined amount of skill speed (E.G. Black Mage and spell speed.)

When in doubt, just build for 0 speed, and the standard crit>dhit>det>>>>>sks.

Are there even any dd, who are not focusing only in crit and than DH, aside of blm (who can focus into spell speed to)?

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Originally Posted by Keichi

Are there even any dd, who are not focusing only in crit and than DH, aside of blm (who can focus into spell speed to)?

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I've heard rumors that the parsing community does crit/det/dhit and just hopes for a lucky dhit run. And there are niche builds for some content, such as Summoner in ucob/uwu, which runs spell speed as its primary stat. But they're few and far between to my knowledge.

Like 90% of situation: Crit->DHit->Skillspeed or Determination
Unless they revamp stats and materias so crit and Dhit aren't the no brainers best choice (which tbh, they did do that back then for the Strength materia being removed since every tanks just slotted that)

Thanks all for yall inputs :)

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

Like 90% of situation: Crit->DHit->Skillspeed or Determination
Unless they revamp stats and materias so crit and Dhit aren't the no brainers best choice (which tbh, they did do that back then for the Strength materia being removed since every tanks just slotted that)

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This really. Unless they recalculate how stats work, Crit and DHit are always going to be the go to, which is a shame.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

This really. Unless they recalculate how stats work, Crit and DHit are always going to be the go to, which is a shame.

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We really ended up in the very situation they tried to get away from. It must be pretty frustrating for the devs as well.

Isn't SAM crit > det > DH?

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Originally Posted by Sensui

Isn't SAM crit > det > DH?

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Might be, yes. 'cause Crit increases crit damage but dh doesn't increase the damage. And since its biggest hits are guaranteed DCH, they don't need the DH stat.

Edit: Crit guaranteed, not direct hit guaranted, thanks guys for the correction

it will be funny if skillspeed is reasonably viable on them like it is on samurai

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

Might be, yes. 'cause Crit increases crit damage but dh doesn't increase the damage. And since its biggest hits are guaranteed DCH, they don't need the DH stat.

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No, they are just guaranteed crits, not guaranteed direct crits.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

We really ended up in the very situation they tried to get away from. It must be pretty frustrating for the devs as well.

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I mean, until spell/skill speed directly benefits cooldowns, the devs stop the 2m meta and snapshotting especially for DoTs, and add other stats like E.G. elemental shaman having mastery that caused it to repeat the GCD multiple times on a single cast, while also making crit not exponential in scaling, there is always going to be a BIS with very, very little wiggle room.

Hell, the devs have gone out of their way to make it so a BLM can't stack crit in a spell speed build. The devs are also knowledgeable enough to not really put that much skill speed on scouting gear so they're definitely aware of how classes play. They either refuse to, or outright can't, fix the problem. Even something as basic as moving crit scaling to direct hit while removing the mini-crit that is dhit would at least open up some options.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

it will be funny if skillspeed is reasonably viable on them like it is on samurai

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I wouldn't say sks is reasonably viable on SAM. You have 3 sweet spots, which is certainly more than most classes, but you otherwise build for a crit/dhit/det build. This is a lot more than, say, a SMN that basically builds for 2.46-2.48, but is nowhere close to a BLM that has at least 5 optimized sweet spots ranging from a fire 4 cast time of sub-2.5 all the way up to I want to say 2.72.

I hope to be wrong, but I am expecting to not be. The devs struggle to make viable builds beyond crit/dhit/det and, after 5 years of this being the meta, I'm truly not expecting anything different on a build that is probably going to shoot for somewhere adjacent to NIN's playstyle, so relatively higher APM meaning a lot of oGCDs.

DirectHit being the critical damage multiplier stat is kind of a cool idea, I like that. Gotta choose between critting more often or have them be stronger. At least on some jobs you'll value one more than the other. But they'd both remain king essentially.

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Originally Posted by Taranok

I mean, until spell/skill speed directly benefits cooldowns, the devs stop the 2m meta and snapshotting especially for DoTs, and add other stats like E.G. elemental shaman having mastery that caused it to repeat the GCD multiple times on a single cast, while also making crit not exponential in scaling, there is always going to be a BIS with very, very little wiggle room.

Hell, the devs have gone out of their way to make it so a BLM can't stack crit in a spell speed build. The devs are also knowledgeable enough to not really put that much skill speed on scouting gear so they're definitely aware of how classes play. They either refuse to, or outright can't, fix the problem. Even something as basic as moving crit scaling to direct hit while removing the mini-crit that is dhit would at least open up some options.



I wouldn't say sks is reasonably viable on SAM. You have 3 sweet spots, which is certainly more than most classes, but you otherwise build for a crit/dhit/det build. This is a lot more than, say, a SMN that basically builds for 2.46-2.48, but is nowhere close to a BLM that has at least 5 optimized sweet spots ranging from a fire 4 cast time of sub-2.5 all the way up to I want to say 2.72.

I hope to be wrong, but I am expecting to not be. The devs struggle to make viable builds beyond crit/dhit/det and, after 5 years of this being the meta, I'm truly not expecting anything different on a build that is probably going to shoot for somewhere adjacent to NIN's playstyle, so relatively higher APM meaning a lot of oGCDs.

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Hmm fair, I just remember the last I heard you could do a speed build with like 1% less damage as sam. Although tht was earlier in endwalker.

Also they do go out of their ways in other ways at least in endwalker for how they give stats to gear. Like more often than not the gear with speed baked into it is feet and hand slots, maybe legs if caster/healer. At least from my experience.

For leveling it won't matter. If Crit stays the same as it has then Crit will still be king. As it stands now it's Crit > Det > DH > SKS for pretty much all DPS jobs right now. Obliviously SKS will take priority if you are trying to reach a certain GCD.