Is BRD losing DoTs in 7.0? What would that mean?

I'm fully expecting the two BRD DoTs to be reduced to 1 or zero in 7.0, for a few reasons:

1. SE has been culling DoTs across the board as classes are simplified and homogenized.
2. The other "DoT class" (Summoner) was stripped of DoTs in its rework.
3. 6.0 set the stage for DoT removal by uncoupling DoTs from song procs.

Will 7.0 be the end of DoTs? If so, how do you feel about that?

Personally, while I would mourn the reduced complexity (Bard is all about keeping those spinning plates in the air while juggling procs), my enjoyment of DoT management went way down as soon as extra DoTs stopped causing extra song procs. If those keyboard/rotation spots were replaced with something else (ideally small party buffs for us to keep up!), I would be happy with that.

I doubt that they will be removing DOT's for the sake of removing DoT's. Summoner changes were to make it more about summoning (yeah the rework wasn't really great imo, but thats more because it lacks any real cast times). PLD's DOT's were also a lot more stricter and didn't make sense to keep (even though I prefered how PLD used to play).

I actually think the next caster will focus on DOT's a lot and most jobs with DOT's will stay the same... I can think of some that aren't really important such as circle of scorn that I wouldn't mind being removed.

With the Simplified Jobs, most DOT's don't really even add much complexity outside of something to keep track of if its a upkeep job, Not to say i want DOT's removed or theirs some fun gamplay with DOT's but the jobs being simplified is a big issue... but I don't think that they'd need to remove DOT's for that just look at healer design that has DOT's but they have the most easy and simple DPS kits in the game

I would not be too upset if dots get cut from BRD, even as someone who misses procs coming from dot ticks in Shadowbringers. A lot can be added to BRD if both or even just one dot gets removed. Removing one or both dots frees up action slots for either new music actions or arrow attacks. It also means actions like Burst Shot, and Refulgent Arrow can hit harder or even just more GCD procs to keep track of as the sustain potency has to go somewhere. I do agree plate spinning, refresh at the lest second style mechanics are what makes BRD fun, but they can be achieved with actions that aren't dots.

thinking SE would actually replace the DoTs with something equally or more engaging is pure copium, sorry. this is the same development team that replaced old Goring Blade with the most boring, thoughtless, flavourless, press-on-cooldown flat potency skill possibly conceived.

Much rather rid of DoTs & update bard buffs; make them meaningful.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but if they do they'd better replace the loss of DoT interaction with something else, this includes support. Hell even making Mage's Ballad restore MP again and bringing back Foe's Requiem would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I doubt that they will be removing DOT's for the sake of removing DoT's. Summoner changes were to make it more about summoning

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No the summoner no longer has a summon and just uses nukes with different skins. It was a rework to simplify the class massively, not to focus on summoning.

Simplifying BRD, an obvious target would be the DOTs.

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Originally Posted by HappyHubris

No the summoner no longer has a summon and just uses nukes with different skins. It was a rework to simplify the class massively, not to focus on summoning.

Simplifying BRD, an obvious target would be the DOTs.

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That is not true. They do summon. They just do it in the old style of final fantasy summons where the summon shows up, does its thing, then flies off.

The real crime was they didn't take the old summoner kit, reskin it as a new job and market Endwalker with three jobs.

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Originally Posted by HappyHubris

No the summoner no longer has a summon and just uses nukes with different skins. It was a rework to simplify the class massively, not to focus on summoning.

Simplifying BRD, an obvious target would be the DOTs.

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Well they barely used "summons" in SHB anyway. You'd summon the same pets for the same reason... I'm not against the old concept of summoner, but it wasn't exactly the peak of design and feel.
I'm not here to defend EW summoner (I'm not a fan of it), but the job does feel like they're actually actively Summoning things more now.

If you really think they're just going to remove DOTs from bard I'm not here to change your mind, I just don't see it happening. If it does happen? yeah that will be a shame.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

The real crime was they didn't take the old summoner kit, reskin it as a new job and market Endwalker with three jobs.

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I'm expecting TMNT to be this.

Bard currently has three buttons to effectively maintain a single DoT. Pruning it to a single DoT alone would allow for more design space.

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Originally Posted by Miki_L

Bard currently has three buttons to effectively maintain a single DoT. Pruning it to a single DoT alone would allow for more design space.

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Do you mean to propose a single DoT that can stack twice?

[Clever Damage Over Time Attack Name]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100 and deals [aspect] damage over time to target. If the target was not already suffering from a damage over time effect inflicted by you, attack potency is increased to 150.
Additional Effect: Damage over time. Stacks up to two times. Potency varies with number of stacks.
1 stack: 20 potency
2 stacks: 45 potency
Duration: 45s
Additional Effect: 35% chance of becoming Straight Shot Ready
Duration: 30s


This would do exactly what the combination of Lv90 Caustic Bite, Storm Bite, and Iron Jaws currently do (when executed correctly, from the first reapplication using Iron Jaws), but with one button. There would be a very minor difference in multi-target scenarios by not being able to choose between 150+20p/tick or 100+25p/tick when single-DoTing trash or adds but it wouldn't be important.

As they are currently, there's no meaningful dynamic snapshotting opportunities. 2 dots but actually just 1 in practice because you can refresh both at once. They don't interact with anything like they used to... What's even the point? Just babysitting a timer?

I don't think BRD losing dots would be a big loss for me if they got something more interesting to play with instead - it would be 3 vacant keys, 2 dots and Iron Jaws, lot of room to think of something.

That or rework them to be actually engaging.

Sounds like DNC to me, but with a few different timers to manage instead of 1.

the bards went from 3/4 dps to last and they keep guting it and makeing it weaker i say leave it alone

I don't think they should remove dots, what they *should* do is give BRD a Bane-type ability to spread the dots across a pack of mobs so they aren't useless except against bosses.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

That or rework them to be actually engaging.

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They were reworked to be less engaging, not more. BRD used to have a pretty high level of DoT interactivity, all of it was gutted.

The reason why players think DoTs are boring is because the devs deliberately keep making them boring. Its a shame.

I don't mind the return of the interaction of dots with gaining repertoire for as long as there's a good synergy across all the BRD's toolkit.

To me, dots won't be missed if they're replaced with something new that is actually engaging and more relatable to the rest of the kit.

Currently no job has any good dot. They're all just simple babysitting timers. And it's wild because BRD dots actually had some meaningful function with the procs.