Please put raid tokens and ex totems in the currency tab

At this point it's just needless inventory clutter.

Yes or they could make the key item bag to include tokens and totems

what a coincedence. i just commented about that in another topic.... yes i agree. pls turn all these tokens into currency

I'd say put them in the key items inventory... it does sit empty after all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Johners

I'd say put them in the key items inventory... it does sit empty after all.

---

I refuse to delete the old Aether Compass because at least then theres an item in there

I wish but they have refused it before with the excessive data being carried with you or HDD space arguments.

They don't understand why we don't just delete old currencies. Yoshi-P said there isn't a culture of being attached to objects in Japan. So people seeing totems or gear as a trophy of some sort is not something he is used to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I wish but they have refused it before with the excessive data being carried with you or HDD space arguments.

They don't understand why we don't just delete old currencies. Yoshi-P said there isn't a culture of being attached to objects in Japan. So people seeing totems or gear as a trophy of some sort is not something he is used to.

---

Too bad for him this isnt an japan only game. Too bad id rather keep some token as x99 token use up less slots then 10 pieces of glamour... to bad we still dont have an log - or at least an Archivment like for the Garo stuff etc...

I would be inclined to say have them in the key items tab, rather than storing them in the currency tab. Or something separate of the currency tab.

Apart from one of two current totems, I don’t keep any in my inventory. I just get rid of them the moment I get the mount and focus on only one or two at a time. There’s no point hoarding old books and trophies. Old gear is easy and quick to get if I decide I would like a certain piece as glamour. I wouldn ‘t want my currency tab clogged with dozens of tokens that have no use.

There are too many raid tokens and ex totems to just move them all over to the Currency tab. In their current state, they add no additional storage requirements to the character database because they are just items. If they were moved to the Currency tab the size of character data would increase quite a bit. If they want to add them to the Currency tab they're going to have to reduce the number of tokens and give older expansions' tokens the Poetics treatment. I described such an implementation a couple years ago in the UI forum:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rongway

This would be a sensible change if totems were not effectively one-and-done currencies. But they don't have enough longevity to warrant a place in the permanent currency structures. The beast tribe currencies aren't really worth the data either, I think, but at least some of those are used on things like dyes.

It might be okay to currency just the totems for the current expansion's trials, but then they'd have to decide if they should be converted back to items or into something like a general all-old-trials currency when the next expansion comes out.

If we converted all the old beast tribes to an all-beast-tribe currency then we could have space in the currency structure to have all of the current expansion's beast tribes and current extreme trials. Just check for the appropriate reputation level for a given tribe vendor before allowing someone to spend universal beast currency at that vendor. As the beast tribes are entirely personal activities, this would not have a notable effect on beast tribe activities within the community. The worst thing that could happen would be that someone would be able to buy 4 times as much of one specific tribe's dye daily as they could now, but I mean if someone really wants that much of one specific dye for their glamour let them buy it.

Unfortunately, the effect a universal old-extreme currency would have an on the extreme trials that people run would be measurably larger; namely, people would spam HW extremes for currency to spend on the most recent old expansion trials. I'm personally not too torn up about this, as by the next expansion those mounts aren't super exclusive anymore anyway. However, I'd bet the devs would disagree because they want people to continue to have a reason to run all the extremes instead of just the HW ones. Of course, ARR trials don't currently drop totems, and HW trials might as well not drop any if they're going to continue to be easy after the stat squish. So maybe something like this would work with minimal objections:

1. Convert all ARR, HW, SB, ShB beast tribe currencies to a universal beast tribe currency. Require people to have a certain reputation with a tribe before they can spend universal currency on that tribe's items.
2. Remove totems from ARR, HW, and SB entirely, as they should be easy enough to farm for outright mount drops at cap.
3. Convert ShB totems to a ShB-wide extreme currency. Require someone to have completed a particular trial once before you can buy items from that trial using the extreme currency.
4. Make EW totems and beast tribe tokens individual specific currencies.
5. When 7.0 comes out, convert EW extreme currencies into a single EW-extreme currency and convert EW beast tribe currencies into universal beast tribe currency. Delete ShB-extreme currency.
6. Make 7.x totems and beast tribe tokens individual specific currencies.
7. When 8.0 comes out, convert 7.0 extreme currencies into a single 7.x-extreme currency and convert 7.x beast tribe currencies into universal beast tribe currency. Delete EW-extreme currency.
8. Make 8.x totems and beast tribe tokens individual specific currencies.
9. etc...

That way only the current expansion uses individual currencies for its beast tribes and extremes, all old beast tribes use a single currency, and the previous expansion uses a single extreme currency for all its trials. We shouldn't really need tokens for trials two expansions ago, because they will be easy enough to unsync and the drop rates will be high enough that we don't have to do them a million times.

The current Tribal currency tab tracks 14 beast tribe currencies. With these changes, it would track 1 universal old beast tribe currency, 3 current expansion beast tribe currencies, 1 recent expansion extreme currency, and 7 current expansion trial-specific extreme currencies, for a total of 12 currencies, and thus a reduction of currency data. Further, the tribal and extreme currencies would never expand beyond this because the recent expansion's beast tribes get absorbed into the one universal beast tribe currency and the recent expansion's extremes become a single currency replacing the previous-recent currency. People would continue to run super old extreme trials for outright mount drops, which should be fine with increased drop rates, and they would continue to run the recent expansion's extreme trials for that expansion's currency, even if they only need to clear each fight once to unlock each fight's shop. And finally the current expansion extremes would function as they do now, requiring each fight be run for that fight's specific currency. So all the expansions' fights would still get run.

---

Yes. This is the hill I will die on, for this game. Any currency items should go in the CURRENCY TAB.

From https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/currency.asp... "What Is Currency? Currency is a medium of exchange for goods and services."

In this game, if an item exists solely to exchange for some other item(s), IT IS A CURRENCY AND SHOULD GO IN THE TAB. This business about "just throw it away if you don't need it right now because it's easy to acquire later!" First of all, that's not true for all people/all items, and secondly, I value my time more than to throw away something that I spent time and effort to obtain. If they won't give us a universal glamour log with every item in the game available to unlock, then at least let me store all of my exchangeable currency items in the currency tab, in case I want to use those to get something to complete a glamour in the future.

This game is goofy, on this topic. Why even introduce the currency tab all those years ago only to add such limited things to it in the time since?

I'm also all for compressing the tokens per expansion, once that expansion is no longer current, as Rongway describes. They already do this with their tomestone system, so I would THINK it wouldn't be impossible to do this kind of thing for other content as well... but admittedly I'm not a coder, so what do I know.

Regarding Key Items Tab:

People always feel like that tab is extra inventory. It isn't. It's a visual representation of a checklist. As far as the game is concerned, those aren't "items". The game just has a checkbox either checked or unchecked if you have access to "thing X". I'm not even sure it has a limit. That is, if you somehow managed to fill all three tabs and get another item, I'm not sure what would happen - if the checklist has a cap or what - since every character has the ENTIRE checklist referenced on the backend. You DO have a limit of how many quests you can have at once, so it might have a limit like that, but it's not based on "slots" or "inventory" in the normal sense of the term.

I think Yoshi P has even talked before about that and that being why those can't be converted to extra bag space, since they technically don't exist. Think of them more like a spreadsheet listing things your character is flagged to do (interact with quests) rather than items.

In that sense, it's the same as your currency tab, where it just has you flagged as being able to do X thing Y times.

I think given all that, it'd make sense to just make the totems currencies at this point. It's not like we don't add 3 new Tribal currencies each expansion. And they could make them like Tomes where, when the expansion was done, they all convert to "Reborn/Heaven/Storm/Shadow/End Totem" that you can use to buy any of the things from that expansion (with the caveat you have to clear the Ex before you unlock the things you'd buy with that Ex's totems). It would probably actually SAVE data/server resources to do that than keep the system we have now for perpetuity.

(While they're at it, they could do something similar with Bozja stuff...because good god there's a lot of stuff, even ignoring the quest-only items and focusing on the regular inventory stuff like the Memories...)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Renathras

Regarding Key Items Tab:

People always feel like that tab is extra inventory. It isn't. It's a visual representation of a checklist. As far as the game is concerned, those aren't "items". The game just has a checkbox either checked or unchecked if you have access to "thing X". I'm not even sure it has a limit. That is, if you somehow managed to fill all three tabs and get another item, I'm not sure what would happen

---

One extra point of clarification: Key Items don't even have a designated number of "tabs." The apparent size of your Key Item "inventory" is entirely dependent on your inventory display settings. You see three Key Item tabs because your inventory is set to display fully expanded, so the Key Item tab simply stretches to fit the rest of the inventory display. With a normal inventory display, Key Items only has one apparent "tab."

Which only further demonstrates that it is in no way typical usable "space," as the display settings dictate how empty it appears.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rongway

There are too many raid tokens and ex totems to just move them all over to the Currency tab. In their current state, they add no additional storage requirements to the character database because they are just items. If they were moved to the Currency tab the size of character data would increase quite a bit. If they want to add them to the Currency tab they're going to have to reduce the number of tokens and give older expansions' tokens the Poetics treatment. I described such an implementation a couple years ago in the UI forum:

... If we converted all the old beast tribes to an all-beast-tribe currency then we could have space in the currency structure to have all of the current expansion's beast tribes and current extreme trials...

---

And crash the market on dyes and crafted ex weapons + remove all incentives to join a pf? No thank you. System is fine as it is (I agree on the currency tab: it would be a huge mess given how many totems and books exist). People just need make decisions, stop hoarding useless stuff and be more focused.

Needless inventory clutter, you say?

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...cb353de833.png

/wringhands

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Toutatis

And crash the market on dyes and crafted ex weapons + remove all incentives to join a pf? No thank you. System is fine as it is (I agree on the currency tab: it would be a huge mess given how many totems and books exist). People just need make decisions, stop hoarding useless stuff and be more focused.

---

Some of us are old school single player RPG players who have always hoarded 50 stacks of healing items and consumables along with backup and situational gear just in case we need it at some point... Even though we made it a point to find ways to not use it when it would have been useful... :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Renathras

(While they're at it, they could do something similar with Bozja stuff...because good god there's a lot of stuff, even ignoring the quest-only items and focusing on the regular inventory stuff like the Memories...)

---

I wonder if it would be feasible to make a specific tab under the currency menu for this..It would be nice if obtained coins and Anemos/Pagos/etc. Crystals in a "Adventuring Foray's" tab, for example.

Bozja also has Clusters, an exchangeable currency that you use when you're in the zones, so maybe they could do something like that? I feel like that would get incredibly bloated even when restricted to that content's zones, though.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zairava

I wonder if it would be feasible to make a specific tab under the currency menu for this..It would be nice if obtained coins and Anemos/Pagos/etc. Crystals in a "Adventuring Foray's" tab, for example.

Bozja also has Clusters, an exchangeable currency that you use when you're in the zones, so maybe they could do something like that? I feel like that would get incredibly bloated even when restricted to that content's zones, though.

---

I feel like part of this issue is the items in question are essentially enemy/duty drops. The items atm coming to mind that actually use that currency tab all come from some kind of vendor aside from MGP generated by consumable tickets.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Toutatis

And crash the market on dyes and crafted ex weapons + remove all incentives to join a pf? No thank you.

---

I addressed both of those in my original post.

In re: dyes, it doesn't really bother me at all? There's still a daily limit on tribal quests, so at best it'll increase acquisition of some very specific dyes by 4x. I'll take that over wasting currency data on currencies I'll never farm again, because as it stands you can't really farm more than four of the many currencies at a time anyway.

In re: incentives to do the content, my suggestion removes totems entirely for everything two expansions back or older, so if people want things from that far back, they have to farm them outright. Only extremes one expansion back would have a unified currency, and people would still have to complete each one once, so at worst it funnels people into whichever Ex is "the easiest" if all they want is totems, but this is balanced against the the lost opportunity to win immediate drops outright by doing the Ex they actually want items from. You can do MC.Ex 99 times for the R.Ex mount or you can just farm R.Ex and get it in maybe 10 pulls.

They won't do it because filling your inventory with junk makes you want to buy retainers. Simple as.