enmity-

tried leveling the archer but its so boring leveling a 2nd class.are the archer enmity- skills really needed or can i do just fine by sticking some enmity- in the belt?

To push out your DSP to the max level of perfection, yes, as far as I am aware they are.

That said, if you're not aiming for super crazy high grade perfection I'm pretty sure you can make do with Freeze alone. However, I don't think that a Thaumaturge can make do without a single enmity dump.

I have wondered this too! I could probably push my archer to 22 for quelling strike without plugging myself in the head but chameleon is too high.

What is the emnity- on freeze?

Yes, you should get it. Enmity is the biggest restricting force on your damage dealing. It doesn't matter how much damage you deal if you pull hate before you can do it.

What other cross class abilities are you going to fill out with anyway? And saying you'll just ignore such valuable tools is like saying "Eh, I'm not gonna bother wearing rings. Others can pick up my slack."

well i came from aion and i never had to worry about getting enmity- gear.i can easily let the tank pull then i can throw out my biggest skills and still not pull hate and even if i did,its usually only about 5 min later

Yes you should get it. Simple reason, what would you do if you pull hate? Freeze will most likely be interrupted and quelling strike you need to dmg the mob. If you don't have chameleon you will most likely die.

Quelling strike only reduces enmity from that next cast, it still generates some enmity+. You really should have chameleon.

As others are saying, grab some of these enmity down abilities. Leveling doesn't take that long and it's all to benefit your main class.

I dunno how encounters in other games are but a lot of the current end-game encounters are designed so that it becomes REALLY painful if your damage slows down due to phase changes or increasing add difficulty as hp drops. If you have to wait for a long time for your hate to drop unable to do anything your healers and other party members will eventually be unable to keep up with the amount of enemies or damage being dealt to them. You have to remain consistent in your damage to keep the pressure on the boss so you can finish them off and being able to quickly reduce your enmity lets you do that.

All i hear is i am lazy.

Its not hard to level to 42. Save up leves and do a few a day and you will get there eventually.

quelling strike is not as important as chameleon, but they are both needed if you want to actually play your job to the best you can be. even with both of them and using freeze with double melded emn down belt i still am borderline taking from all of the tanks i have played with. you need them and then you still have to be careful with your hate because going all out will pull hate for sure.

Both are extremely important if you want to be decent.

so in other words,its pretty much se forcing me to play how they want to me to play or not getting into groups ever again

and it doesnt matter how hard or easy it is to get to 42 when i keep fucking getting dc every day multiple times a day

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so in other words,its pretty much se forcing me to play how they want to me to play or not getting into groups ever again

and it doesnt matter how hard or easy it is to get to 42 when i keep fucking getting dc every day multiple times a day

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True, they pretty much are forcing you to level other jobs. But if you give up stats such as Int and mind for -enmity. It's gonna hurt your damage.

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so in other words,its pretty much se forcing me to play how they want to me to play or not getting into groups ever again

and it doesnt matter how hard or easy it is to get to 42 when i keep fucking getting dc every day multiple times a day

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No, they are not forcing you. And plenty of people don't have these and still get into parties. It's not essential unless you do things like Garuda or 5CSR.

Also, that sounds more of a connection issue to me. I don't get d/c that much and when I do it's usually on my end.

i'll believe the connection problem is on my end when i get disconnected from vent/ts3 at the same time

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i'll believe the connection problem is on my end when i get disconnected from vent/ts3 at the same time

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Not exactly a valid argument, but let me put it like this. If it was for everyone then you'd see the same problem with everyone and that just isn't an issue for everyone.

Chameleon gives you the potential to do 840damage/180s = 4.7 DPS more. This is about ~5% of your damage output. This is not a straight increase in your damage, you will need to see if you are reaching the enmity of the tank first (Do not use the first ~20 seconds of the fight to judge this).

If you are well geared, then this skill is essential to further increasing your damage. Otherwise it is just a safety net.

I level BLM to 50 and don7t have chameleon yet and to be honnest, you NEED it
in the last parties I could just FIre > Fira and that's it, one more spell and I take all aggro
so need to stop and wait... which makes you not so useful because you just stand there and as Black mage you can't event take that time to heal people or something so you are just not useful

it's super annoying, especially if like me you are only interested in magic job but yeah, need to get that lv42 archer skill unfortunately...

What else is there to do in this game? Honestly, you should try to be well rounded

I have to do content with a BLM who doesn't have Chameleon and dear lord he takes hate every fight. So I change my stance on the topic, Chameleon is almost completely mandatory for any BLM.

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I have to do content with a BLM who doesn't have Chameleon and dear lord he takes hate every fight. So I change my stance on the topic, Chameleon is almost completely mandatory for any BLM.

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-_- Doesn't he know that red means stop? I still don't have chameleon btw, but I think that works since my gear is merely ok.

Well, that and I can read the enmity indicator. /facepalm

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-_- Doesn't he know that red means stop? I still don't have chameleon btw, but I think that works since my gear is merely ok.

Well, that and I can read the enmity indicator. /facepalm

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He goes from yellow to blinking and can't do anything about it once it happens but die.
But to your statement, no red doesn't mean stop if you're an experienced DPS and you have decent understanding of emnity values.