[Graphical Update Request] Miqo'te Female Face 4 Misalignment

This is something that's been bothering me for a long time, but I had no hope it'd ever be addressed. But with yesterday's information that there will be some polygon updates to Lalafell faces to enable better shading, I figured now would be a good opportunity.

Miqo'te female face 4 has a minor gap between the lips, that shows a sliver of their teeth from a variety of angles. This is most prominent on dark-skinned characters, since the contrast between skin and teeth is higher. As shown below with mouth 2:

https://imgur.com/udBQMCy.png
https://imgur.com/ToYZmrQ.png
https://imgur.com/Jzy1pSZ.png

It's not a major gap! But it's visible in a wide variety of lighting and angles, and can be a bit distracting in otherwise serious moments.

I know model fixes aren't the point of the Graphical update, and with the changes the lighting and shaders it might not even be necessary! But without actually seeing my character or a similarly dark-skinned Miqo'te with face 4, I have no way of knowing that.

All I'd really like is for this gap to be closed.

Hmm most of these threads seem like whining but wow yeah that's look bad.

This also happens to other faces such as male miqo'te face 1 and... Alphinaud and Alisaie. Hopefully they'll get a universal fix for every single face affected. Specific face emotes that make your character press their lips make this disappear.

Oh no! I can understand how people would find this annoying but I kinda think it's really cute!

I like the gap and I believe it's intentional

It is cute! Sometimes! But oftentimes in cutscenes, it's just not fitting. The problem is it's Always open, with the default expression. A cuter pursed lips expression would allow this as a gpose option and not look silly elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I like the gap and I believe it's intentional

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I think it might be as well, but they should fully commit to it in that case. It's such a tiny sliver of visible teeth that it does look a bit odd as is.

This also reminds me of that old post about Keeper of the Moon front teeth being positioned in a sort of triangle when viewed from below, creating something of a gap tooth. I wonder if they're going to be fixing that as well.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I think it might be as well, but they should fully commit to it in that case. It's such a tiny sliver of visible teeth that it does look a bit odd as is.

This also reminds me of that old post about Keeper of the Moon front teeth being positioned in a sort of triangle when viewed from below, creating something of a gap tooth. I wonder if they're going to be fixing that as well.

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I always thought it was related to a small overbite which made the face more unique and cute
but the tooth shape for moon vs sun is a significant texture issue as well as the missing nostril textures for the 1st two moon faces which arent missing in sun seeker faces. The missing nostril textures was accepted as a bug, but I wonder if it'll actually be fixed with the update

i think they talked about the moon cat teeth recently. was it the na fanfest? not sure anymore. but they did that intentionaly to achieve some kind of effect. was it to enhance the pointy teeth? my memory os too bad sometimes xD

I definitely see how this can be annoying, but I've kind of fallen in love with it in my own (male face 2) sun cat and have always thought of it as a cute little overbite! I would be sad to see it go, but I do hope they can figure out some kind of compromise. (Love your cat btw! Super pretty design.)

https://64.media.tumblr.com/eb229838...27292005d9.pnj

While i've gottten used to it i can't deny is a thing that has bothered me for a long while, specially in cutscenes
After so long can kinda get over it but it's true i wouldn't say no to just, closing the lips a bit more

https://i.imgur.com/S2uEe6s.png

A lot of other faces are mouth breathers, I know at least face 5 female midlander and all female highlanders are.

Face 4 in general looks bad.
I hope it's get better because I can't take it seriously

I prefer to not use face 4 mostly because of the overly bushy eyebrows.

I think this might be a lighting thing, cause I've noticed it on almost every face I've fantasia'd to.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I like the gap and I believe it's intentional

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i would rather they not change it. It would be better if they offered some additional mouth options.

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Originally Posted by WantlessYoYo

While i've gottten used to it i can't deny is a thing that has bothered me for a long while, specially in cutscenes
After so long can kinda get over it but it's true i wouldn't say no to just, closing the lips a bit more

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I hope they fix it so that they always remain closed like when you press your lips with a concentrated emote, for instance. Not all faces have this so I'm pretty sure it's simply a graphical thing they left out and never fixed. That Alphinaud of all things has it too is weird.

Since there's people in this thread asking for it to stay, then SE should include keeping it as an option in the character creation menu.

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

I think this might be a lighting thing, cause I've noticed it on almost every face I've fantasia'd to.

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It appears to be related to the camera angle you use to look at the character. Low-angle shots and views will make this very obvious, whereas normal or high-angle views will remove it completely. I'm not entirely sure it's intended but they just never got to fix it.

There are other graphical glitches that are not so obvious but were never changed. For example, the area on the right side of the upper chest next to the arm in male miqo'te (and likely other races) has a weird looking straight vertical-ish line that is absent or way less obvious on the left side. This line will be very noticeable if you use gear such as the Asphodelos Maiming or Striking chestpieces. It's probably meant as the area separating main body and arm but it's jarring that it's so clear on one side compared to the other.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Face 4 in general looks bad.
I hope it's get better because I can't take it seriously

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It's the best Miqo face. Unique and cute. Only cat face that doesn't smile permanently.

I suspect they'll "fix" it, but I kinda hope they don't.

That said, if they take away the darker nose on face 4, we should all riot.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

I suspect they'll "fix" it, but I kinda hope they don't.

That said, if they take away the darker nose on face 4, we should all riot.

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I'm keeping a fantasia incase they butcher face 4, imo it's the most 'mature' looking and pretty face that miqo'te have

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Face 4 in general looks bad.
I hope it's get better because I can't take it seriously

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I feel the same about all of the au ra faces- face 1 in particular looks like Penguin from the batman series and it's just not pretty- the graphic update will hopefully finally do au ra justice

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

I suspect they'll "fix" it, but I kinda hope they don't.

That said, if they take away the darker nose on face 4, we should all riot.

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Agreed, but that would be an odd choice since the point of the face was to call back to the Mithra of ffxi.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Agreed, but that would be an odd choice since the point of the face was to call back to the Mithra of ffxi.

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The character updates we've seen thus far have been leaning towards removing any uniqueness or imperfections. I could easily see this getting removed too, unfortunately.

For as much as they've went on about keeping the same look, that Elezen they showed barely even looks like the same character.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Hmm most of these threads seem like whining but wow yeah that's look bad.

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They are whining. The graphical "issue" that is being complained about has existed within the game for years and years prior to the complaint. People just like complaining despite everything Square Enix has done for them.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

The character updates we've seen thus far have been leaning towards removing any uniqueness or imperfections. I could easily see this getting removed too, unfortunately.

For as much as they've went on about keeping the same look, that Elezen they showed barely even looks like the same character.

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lmao WHAT

This you?

https://highindexlenses.com/wp-conte...-Lens-Mean.jpg

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

They are whining. The graphical "issue" that is being complained about has existed within the game for years and years prior to the complaint. People just like complaining despite everything Square Enix has done for them.

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They have existed for years and haven't been a massive issue, this is true! But they're literally doing a full graphics overhaul for player characters, and are listening to feedback. This is the time to point out minor issues like this, because they're already working to address them.

Yes, it's a minor issue. That's why I never bothered them about it before they themselves decided they'd be updating appearances and making small model changes. I'm sorry this comes off as ungrateful complaining to you, but this seemed like the only time it'd be worth bringing up.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

lmao WHAT

This you?

https://highindexlenses.com/wp-conte...-Lens-Mean.jpg

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The facial structure is completely different to the point it changes entirely, the lips are thicker, the eyelashes make the new one look sleepy, the eyes are a different color, and it looks like someone left an Instagram filter on too high of a setting.

Literally the only thing that's the same is the general idea of "guy with elf ears" and the hair.

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Originally Posted by Raiika

They have existed for years and haven't been a massive issue, this is true! But they're literally doing a full graphics overhaul for player characters, and are listening to feedback. This is the time to point out minor issues like this, because they're already working to address them.

Yes, it's a minor issue. That's why I never bothered them about it before they themselves decided they'd be updating appearances and making small model changes. I'm sorry this comes off as ungrateful complaining to you, but this seemed like the only time it'd be worth bringing up.

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Ignore them, their account is dodgy to say the least, and it's the same rhetoric on all feedback accounts.

Just like CidH is atm.

They don't offer reasons, or ways to appease any group. Just Conflict.

I remind others that if it's too egregious in your opinion. the Triangle with the exclamation point exists on comments for reasons.

in this thread that face 4 miqos can't close their eyes properly

This isnt just with Miqote. Its literally with all characters. Its only noticable if you play with dark skin tones where the teeth gap is slightly shown.

I play mostly dark skinned characters so I have noticed it before.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This isnt just with Miqote. Its literally with all characters. Its only noticable if you play with dark skin tones where the teeth gap is slightly shown.

I play mostly dark skinned characters so I have noticed it before.

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I wasn't aware! I didn't want to assume it was so widespread, so I was very narrow with my request. From other people's screenshots and comments like this though, it does seem to tie more into the other "please test with dark skinned characters more" thread.

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Originally Posted by Raiika

I wasn't aware! I didn't want to assume it was so widespread, so I was very narrow with my request. From other people's screenshots and comments like this though, it does seem to tie more into the other "please test with dark skinned characters more" thread.

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Yeah Im cautiously optimistic about the new lighting changes. I really hope theyre adjusting it so that darker skinned characters dont look like a void in the darkest abyss lol

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

The facial structure is completely different to the point it changes entirely, the lips are thicker, the eyelashes make the new one look sleepy, the eyes are a different color, and it looks like someone left an Instagram filter on too high of a setting.

Literally the only thing that's the same is the general idea of "guy with elf ears" and the hair.

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https://media.tenor.com/qsl4V5FT8CoA...s-confused.gif

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Ignore them, their account is dodgy to say the least, and it's the same rhetoric on all feedback accounts.

Just like CidH is atm.

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Oh please. Feedback is great, leave all the feedback you want, but saying the new Elezen face is a radical departure from the original is completely delusional.

Male miqo face 1 (i think it's face 1) has the same issue. I believe they closed the gap with the update on that one though.

I won't lie I actually think the little hint of teeth between the lips for face 4 is a charm point-

If we could pick idle expressions like we can pick from idle stances I think it would help

Same thing on my Midlander from a lot of angles; I have to change her expression or be very careful with angles in many screenshots. Probably the worst on her of my alts, and this picture isn't even as bad as it can be.

https://i.imgur.com/5RtZBij.jpg