What are some the most BS mechanics in the game?

BS mechanics - Mechanics that are only difficult because they are clunky or poorly implemented.


Here's mine: Anything with tethers. That weird and inconsistent delay in swapping tethers or trying to distance them just right. Ex7 meteor tethers are a massive offender of this.

The mechanic itself is very simple, executing it difficult because 1 step forward, your tether is bad, 1 step back your tether is bad, 1 step forward your tether is good. They took the USB port dilemma and decided to make it a mechanic and it's disgusting.

as BLM, moving is overused and should be banned.
I would like to play as statue, everyone just stand where they are and use their abilities.
Every boss spell is tankable with manaward.
living the dream

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Plus (in triple triad)
Leap of Faith

Titan Gaols. Thankfully it's only in UWU so I never have to see that piece of shit mechanic anywhere else.

Simon style spur-of-the-moment pattern memorization mechanics. Quite a lot of people have next to no ability to do those without guidance. I can't even begin to count the number of people I watched get eaten by Proto-Carbuncle early in the expansion, and that one wasn't even complex.

Edit: It occurs to me there's probably hardly anyone on these forums that remembers Simon. Rofl.

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Originally Posted by Elissar

as BLM, moving is overused and should be banned.
I would like to play as statue, everyone just stand where they are and use their abilities.
Every boss spell is tankable with manaward.
living the dream

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dRg9dxH9KD0/maxresdefault.jpg

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I 100% encourage any BLM to stand in mechanics so long as it doesn't kill you. Healers can adjust.

Debuff passing. If your game has a tick rate that allows for me and my pass target to run directly through each other without the pass actually taking place, you should not be allowed to use pass mechanics.

Body Count mechanics.

As already said in this thread, debuff/tether passing can be pretty wonky in practice

Chaos rule in Triple Triad can go straight to hell

The one that gives the guy that spent 99% of the fight face down on the floor a roll of 99 for the loot afterwards...

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Body Count mechanics.

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That is only because the majority of people don't understand how to see the visual cue to resolve the mechanics.

Puppets bunker 3rd boss, look at the screens. Any white markers on it, need that many more people.
Alexander AOE marker with silver balls floating above it, that's the number.
I know there are more than just those two, but they are the ones that I see most during roulettes.

So simple, yet so hard for people to understand.

Reapers LB in PvP

Cast 1 time Tenebrae Lemurum and cast another time Communio. PvP is so fast that 98% of the Times a Reaper can't cast this LB fast enough, cause every Player moved already away. As far other Players see a Reaper casting that stupid LB, they jump all on the Reaper and beat the shit out of him/her, before that Spell can be finished. That LB should be a single Cast Spell and not a double Cast Spell.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

That is only because the majority of people don't understand how to see the visual cue to resolve the mechanics.

Puppets bunker 3rd boss, look at the screens. Any white markers on it, need that many more people.
Alexander AOE marker with silver balls floating above it, that's the number.
I know there are more than just those two, but they are the ones that I see most during roulettes.

So simple, yet so hard for people to understand.

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TBH I was thinking more on an EX/Savage perspective... It's just an annoyance to prog through.

Actually, I don't hate the mechanic per se, but I do hate the fact that nowadays almost every high end encounter has it. Let this be more of a rare occurrence.

Thinking about high end mechanics on a second thought, I also wish they would give 'Limit Cut' some vacations through Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

That is only because the majority of people don't understand how to see the visual cue to resolve the mechanics.

Puppets bunker 3rd boss, look at the screens. Any white markers on it, need that many more people.
Alexander AOE marker with silver balls floating above it, that's the number.
I know there are more than just those two, but they are the ones that I see most during roulettes.

So simple, yet so hard for people to understand.

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"Body count" mechanics are most commonly referring to things that will either wipe you or result in more guaranteed deaths if you don't have your entire team, which can include, but is not limited to stuff like Enumeration.

There's considerably more of them in the present vs. the ARR through SB era and I agree it's rather frustrating when you're essentially required to do every step of a given mechanic correctly to actually see more of a fight because it's impossible to recover if anyone dies at all at specific points.

This is purely personal, but any mechanic that requires "spatial thinking" like rotating platforms, the star shower in the first EW trial, and the arrow mechanics in the new Alliance raid. I don't have a brain that can process it, simple as.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

BS mechanics - Mechanics that are only difficult because they are clunky or poorly implemented.


Here's mine: Anything with tethers. That weird and inconsistent delay in swapping tethers or trying to distance them just right. Ex7 meteor tethers are a massive offender of this.

The mechanic itself is very simple, executing it difficult because 1 step forward, your tether is bad, 1 step back your tether is bad, 1 step forward your tether is good. They took the USB port dilemma and decided to make it a mechanic and it's disgusting.

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Gonna second the absolutely awful tether mechanics, O10S Hot Tail and DSR P2 buster tethers (because those are the only ones I've seen in that fight) come to mind immediately. They're essentially a coin toss whether or not the tether passes correctly or randomly jumps to someone else because you were in their postal code.

And then there is Exaflares, not a difficult mechanic in itself but the hitboxes often do not match the visual effect.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Gonna second the absolutely awful tether mechanics, O10S Hot Tail and DSR P2 buster tethers (because those are the only ones I've seen in that fight) come to mind immediately. They're essentially a coin toss whether or not the tether passes correctly or randomly jumps to someone else because you were in their postal code.

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as much as I can shill for fights like O11S or O12S any day of the week because I'm a helpless and biased Stormblood fan, I do not miss Bulwark. good riddance to that mechanic.

Anything that has us be in close proximity to orbs.

I find MSQ patch duties the worst because you dont run them often, mistakes are usually low impact, and people want to get through quickly for their dailies so often nobody takes the time to point stuff out


Anyway, any obtuse mechanics. Like the Cyclopes boss in Anamnesis Anyder when the axe and sword icons appear on the ground. First time I went in there it didnt make a lick of sense how that works and I still dont know. Nor do I care to know, it's probably something simple, just chronically unclear.


I just follow others and hope for the best with stuff like that.

Eden's Verse: Iconoclasm
( i have only done it once, never again lol)

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Originally Posted by Raikai

TBH I was thinking more on an EX/Savage perspective... It's just an annoyance to prog through.

Actually, I don't hate the mechanic per se, but I do hate the fact that nowadays almost every high end encounter has it. Let this be more of a rare occurrence.

Thinking about high end mechanics on a second thought, I also wish they would give 'Limit Cut' some vacations through Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

"Body count" mechanics are most commonly referring to things that will either wipe you or result in more guaranteed deaths if you don't have your entire team, which can include, but is not limited to stuff like Enumeration.

There's considerably more of them in the present vs. the ARR through SB era and I agree it's rather frustrating when you're essentially required to do every step of a given mechanic correctly to actually see more of a fight because it's impossible to recover if anyone dies at all at specific points.

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Fair enough. I don't do much of the higher end stuff that isn't Extremes, and even then I'm trying to get back into on-patch Extremes, but haven't had the motivation to do that recently. So the only ones that came to mind were the ones you see in roulettes that have the markers like that(guess Omega Shiva also has Light Rampant, and WoL has the meteors that need people to light up the pads...but that appears not to be what was originally meant).

Two kinds of bs mech in my book:

1. Tether passing & tether breaking. For the love of Mother Nymeia, let me pass/break the tether in one go gdi.
2. Half cleaves after half cleaves being disguised with visual overload.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Reapers LB in PvP

Cast 1 time Tenebrae Lemurum and cast another time Communio. PvP is so fast that 98% of the Times a Reaper can't cast this LB fast enough, cause every Player moved already away. As far other Players see a Reaper casting that stupid LB, they jump all on the Reaper and beat the shit out of him/her, before that Spell can be finished. That LB should be a single Cast Spell and not a double Cast Spell.

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This. And then some.

Y'all know RPR has a 15 yalm dash in PVP it can use to surprise folks with its LB, right? It even lets you escape after if they DO all jump on you.

The only BS mechanics are ones that are unintuitive. Things like either match the colors or balance the colors when it isn't a boss theme or only a vague description in a debuff that doesn't actually explain what it means (Zurvan's implementation sucks, Sephirot and Sophia's are fine). Stuff like Light Rampant where you basically need a visual replay to dissect what actually went wrong because the errors all cascade and the initial one is only vaguely distinct by its exact damage output range in the battle log (seems like the main way they try to make stuff challenging is through obfuscation, lately). Or, stuff that you basically won't learn is wrong on its introduction because the game doesn't give you an opportunity to succeed, like the first boss of Tam-Tara Hard mode.

I think to this day that's the worst designed encounter in terms of being obtuse. But, aiming enemy attacks at others itself is a really fun idea that should be used more often, as long as it's not implemented in a BS way. I think it's showed up a grand total of 2 other times outside of the dungeons that let you position trash in tornadoes or whatever, once in A10s as a necessity and vs Rathalos though that's pretty much a little Easter egg. Maybe Innocence Ex counts, but that's not really another enemy you blow up, just an orb.