Certain players of FFXIV need to knock it off with the gil prices.

The new orchestrations mainly to do with the new trial being on sale for well over 5-20mil.

Seriously? We really reached this far into this gil lunacy?

Its not even that worth it.

I've put up with this crap as gil in general steadily raised in anything to do with the market board for the past some years, but this needs to stop.

Next thing you'll know people will try to push this crap to 50 mill or 100mil one day in the far future for lets say a stupid mount, you know it, I know it, and they know it because they can't have enough gil.

Happens every MMO ever. Supply and demand. As long as people are willing to pay this, the price will stay the same. When the market starts to flood, the prices drop and stabilise.

Give it four months. Wait and see.

I have made my fortune selling certain MB friendly mounts on day 1/2 of their release, for prices upwards of 80mil a piece. I've seen one sell for 140 mil. A few weeks later, they sell for like 15 mil lol.

The peace of mind knowing I have the cash to kit myself out with raid gear and consumables forliteral years to come is awesome.

Just give it a few weeks, you'll be able to pick that scroll up for pennies once more people have it on farm.

People need to realize this is what happens when brand new items come out and that if they want them for a better price that they need to wait.

You don't have to buy it. You're just complaining about the price because you want it and don't want to pay the bloated week one prices for it.

Just wait, dude.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

People need to realize this is what happens when brand new items come out and that if they want them for a better price that they need to wait.

You don't have to buy it. You're just complaining about the price because you want it and don't want to pay the bloated week one prices for it.

Just wait, dude.

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No I'm complaining about the eventual normalization of higher prices that keep going higher as the years goes on, its already affected older mounts & certain minions that had their prices adjusted.

Do that to orchestration rolls then its going to be at that range for the rest of this game's life.

The Faded copies will drop through the floor in price once people start properly farming the Extreme for mounts. Then you can just buy the Faded copy and craft the rolls yourself.

Week 1 prices for items are always ludicrously overinflated, it's always been like this because there's an initial lack of supply.

However, I won't begrudge that some Orchestrion Rolls (especially those from the 8-person raids) have no business being as expensive as they are. The likes of Return to Oblivion (which was recently memed on in an in-game questline for being overpriced) and Twice Stricken should both be significantly cheaper than they currently are, even if not rock-bottom.

A new item came out and is expensive

More news at 11

I mean, why wouldn't i take advantage of peoples that can't control themselves and buy compulsively the brand new things at an absurd pricing ? That's there problems not mine :D

If you want it now and you don't want to pay the toll you can always farm it yourself.

Whether it's gil, time, or effort, you gotta pay in something.

Sell yours for cheaper then.

Imagine being poor lmao

Idk, it's complaining by the sake of complaining. Supply and demand, as easy as that. Not sure what your proposal is. SE capping the prices for certain items?

If you really are patient maybe wait a few years and hope it is added to Moogle Tomes. I'm super cheap and just got Answers and parts of Dancing Mad I didn't feel like paying for lol.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

The new orchestrations mainly to do with the new trial being on sale for well over 5-20mil.

Seriously? We really reached this far into this gil lunacy?

Its not even that worth it.

I've put up with this crap as gil in general steadily raised in anything to do with the market board for the past some years, but this needs to stop.

Next thing you'll know people will try to push this crap to 50 mill or 100mil one day in the far future for lets say a stupid mount, you know it, I know it, and they know it because they can't have enough gil.

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They do it because there are players that will pay that much to get the items in the first couple of days of release. The prices will then start dropping as everyone else ignores the crazy prices, more players clear content and a larger supply reaches the market board.

Wait a few fews then prices will be down to a more reasonable range.

Scalpers in real life are hated.
Scalpers in a video game are just playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Sell yours for cheaper then.

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Anyone who has been in a selling war knows this is the answer. Give'em a month of gradually dropping prices as demand fades and it'll be dirt cheap.

Literally has always been this way.

Some people are willing to pay a premium price for new items, and people will put them up for a premium price because they are new.

Price will settle and normalize after a few weeks at most.

Happens. Every. Single. Patch.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

No I'm complaining about the eventual normalization of higher prices that keep going higher as the years goes on, its already affected older mounts & certain minions that had their prices adjusted.

Do that to orchestration rolls then its going to be at that range for the rest of this game's life.

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So the market is determined by the player base.
The problem is that the further we go into expansions, the more gil everyone will have. Prices going up is but natural.

Let's put it this way, casuals who never farm for gil will still be richer now compared to before since they do a butt load more msq's.

Some ppl just dont give a F### and buy tons of gil to get new shiny stuff day one, no matter the price, thus only further inflate prices.
Then theres the scalpers that buy whole servers' stack and resell em for 5x as much...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Some ppl just dont give a F### and buy tons of gil to get new shiny stuff day one, no matter the price, thus only further inflate prices.
Then theres the scalpers that buy whole servers' stack and resell em for 5x as much...

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I run a shop in real life and this happens all the time. To the point where I limit the main guy doing it so I can sell to the nerd herd cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

I run a shop in real life and this happens all the time. To the point where I limit the main guy doing it so I can sell to the nerd herd cheaper.

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If that doesnt get you to heaven, then i really dont know lol

It just sucks, like, we are already gettin screwed over so much from companies etc, then some ppl went out of their way to hurt us even more, pre order just 10 of whatever.... like ok, maybe get 2 if you got the chance and sell one, but come on...
Imo ebay etc should ban such sales, at least for a year, just not allowing to sell suff more then 10-20% over its price...

The supply is limited early on and the demand for it is high so the price is high until more of them floods the market in excess amounts. That's just basic economics. If there's no shortage and people want to sell the orchestrion rolls where supply greatly exceeds demand, then prices will plummet. It's currently a luxury good exactly because it's new and there isn't much on the market, but a lot of people want it asap and is willing to fork over a large amount for it.

If you don't want to pay for the orchestrion roll and don't think the effort to obtain one justifies the cost at this point in time, just go farm it yourself because it'd be a more cost-effective ratio to you. Otherwise, just wait until prices drop after everyone obtains one and the supply is greater than the demand.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

No I'm complaining about the eventual normalization of higher prices that keep going higher as the years goes on, its already affected older mounts & certain minions that had their prices adjusted.

Do that to orchestration rolls then its going to be at that range for the rest of this game's life.

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Gil inflation is a real phenomenon and if your money-making methods can't keep up with it, then you're not gonna be affording much in the future, either.

Like the minimum wage, the price for a given amount of work has gone up. Them's the breaks. Adapt or perish.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

The Faded copies will drop through the floor in price once people start properly farming the Extreme for mounts. Then you can just buy the Faded copy and craft the rolls yourself.

Week 1 prices for items are always ludicrously overinflated, it's always been like this because there's an initial lack of supply.

However, I won't begrudge that some Orchestrion Rolls (especially those from the 8-person raids) have no business being as expensive as they are. The likes of Return to Oblivion (which was recently memed on in an in-game questline for being overpriced) and Twice Stricken should both be significantly cheaper than they currently are, even if not rock-bottom.

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Return to Oblivion is expensive because the drop rate isn't good, it's utterly inconvenient to target farm, and lots of people want it after hearing it. It will never be cheaper until one of those changes, and that's unlikely to happen any time soon because it's also not a solo-friendly fight for future unsync farming.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

No I'm complaining about the eventual normalization of higher prices that keep going higher as the years goes on, its already affected older mounts & certain minions that had their prices adjusted.

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Had to leave before I could reply to this earlier in my other post.

Prices keep getting higher because there's more and more gil entering the game economy while SE is doing a poor job of removing most of it through gil sinks and limiting just how much gil one player can have.

When the largest single purchase in the game is 50 million gil, it makes little sense to have the gil cap at 999,999,999. That's several hundred million gil that the player has no use for other than to buy items from other players at the same time the player continues to earn more. Those other players are now boosted toward having 999,999,999 themselves.

It doesn't help that SE effectively encourages players to purchase multiple houses to run sub farms to get Salvaged Accessories/Extravagant Salvaged Accessories by not being stricter with the per account house limits. I could invest 10 million gil into buying a FC house, purchasing the workshop and some materials to build sub parts and in 6 months have made that 10 million back with a weekly profit of 1.5-2million gil easily rolling in (more on weeks with good RNG).

If you want to see prices go down, SE needs to make some changes to how new gil is generated and what players can do with their excess wealth to remove it from the game economy.

Personally, I would:

• Lower gil cap to 100 million per character (including what is stored on retainers), which would eventually lower prices on the market board and make a new player's small amount of gil more valuable.
  
• Reduce value of Salvaged Accessories/Extravagant Salvaged Accessories to 95% of current value if not remove them from the game entirely to reduce interest in setting up sub farms (though I know some would still remain).
  
• Create a Wealth Leaderboard

Why a Wealth Leaderboard? Being a MMORPG, there are players who like to compete against each other to see who can make the most gil or even just see how much they can earn to satisfy personal curiosity.

How would it work? Characters would be able to buy Eorzean Bank Notes (or some similar title/concept) for 5 million gil each. These act as a gil sink to remove the gil permanently from the game economy. They would be made available one patch cycle prior to the gil cap being reduced so players would have a reasonable opportunity to convert their excess gil to the Bank Notes.

The value of Bank Notes acquired by the character would be tracked in the Currency window and on the Leaderboards (can be adapted from the Skybuilder point rankings during Ishgard Restoration). They could potentially be traded between characters during the patch they were purchased (allowing players to accumulate all Bank Notes on a single character with the help of a friend) but could not be sold or used to make purchases on the market board. Bank Notes traded to other players would reduce the character's total for that patch while increasing the other players' totals.

The Leaderboard could track standings in a variety of ways - by world, logical data center, region, world-wide, and by patch earnings, expansion earnings, and all time. Characters on banned accounts would be removed from the rankings.

For fun and immersion, wealthy NPCs like Lolorito could be inserted into the standings with achievements earned by characters ranking above the NPCs.

It's just a rough idea and I don't know how it would play out in practice. But if players are feeling like prices are getting out of control on the market board, and especially if new players feel like they're at too much of a disadvantage in getting things that would help them as they level, then something needs to be done by SE.

The prices are only that high because there are some people who are willing to pay it. After time, prices will fall to meet demand. Until that time, prices will stay high.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Scalpers in real life are hated.
Scalpers in a video game are just playing the game.

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You're forgetting a key difference: in a video game you can get the "scalped" item yourself. So if you don't want to pay those insane prices, just farm whatever content it drops from. Can't do that in real life when they run out of PS5s.

If you are referring to the alliance raid music; it will go down really cheap over time. Its just the new thing and not as many players have it right now.

Loosely related but I kind of wish the rewards from the alliance raids weren't marketable to be honest, getting some of the rewards like orchestrions and the nier hairstyles is a pain since 24 people roll need every run even if they already have it and have no real need for it.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You're forgetting a key difference: in a video game you can get the "scalped" item yourself. So if you don't want to pay those insane prices, just farm whatever content it drops from. Can't do that in real life when they run out of PS5s.

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No key difference forgotten. Pretty sure what you just said falls under playing the game.

There need to be predetermined prices for each item on the marketboard to prevent the no-lifing elitists from manipulating it. Casual players like myself don't stand a chance when resentful day one players with too much gil sit there manipulating prices upwards for their own amusement.

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

There need to be predetermined prices for each item on the marketboard to prevent the no-lifing elitists from manipulating it. Casual players like myself don't stand a chance when resentful day one players with too much gil sit there manipulating prices upwards for their own amusement.

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Farm the drop day 1, then don't use it yourself and instead sell it for the price you think it should be sold at.

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

There need to be predetermined prices for each item on the marketboard to prevent the no-lifing elitists from manipulating it. Casual players like myself don't stand a chance when resentful day one players with too much gil sit there manipulating prices upwards for their own amusement.

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What do YOU do with gil? Casual players don't need it. You'll end up having too much of it. Your armour comes from drops and tomes. What do you feel entitled to?

Clearly someone never heard of that day 1 fomo. XD people like to show off what they have day 1 be it music weapons outfits so they gonna pay that juicy amount. I remember selling a mount from Delubrium Reginae for about 9 mil when that mount use to only sell for 300k its just the supply and demand. If people are willing to pay for it im not gonna judge :cool: give me the gil.