FFXIV: The TTRPG

So they announced a TTRPG version of the game today...

Anybody else hyped? I want to know if GNB is going to be available in the base or if we're going to need a splatbook for that.

Eagerly awaiting details!

No, not particularly. I'd rather see more RPG elements added to the game itself - such as more meaningful choices to be made within the MSQ's. Imagine if we could have our character react like a regular human would and show disgust towards the shocking reveal that a certain mother goddess deliberately inflicted genocide upon her own people?

As a roleplayer I've found it very difficult to be enthusiastic about actually engaging in roleplay in FFXIV due to how railroaded everything relating to the story happens to be.

Not in the slightest. I can't immerse myself in any world beyond looking at my character and thinking how much of an indestructible badass they are and all else in the world is theirs for the taking.

Yep! I've got my preorder all secured. Hubby and I have been following some of the homebrew things people have done so it'll be interesting to see what the official system used is and how it works.

I'm curious, but I don't have a tabletop group to play with and I have crippling social anxiety.

I want to get it but have no one to play it with. My tabletop group is still in their Balder Gate 3 craze and pretty much hates all things Final Fantasy related to begin with.

Will this have the two minute meta too?

Huh. Maybe? I dunno. I would have to look at how character sheets are made and whatnot to see if it would be worth a try.

My old DnD group had mostly people who has played/is playing FFXIV so it might be a smooth transition if we all got on board with it.

Get it? On board? I'm so hilarious.

I'm cautious about it, since licensed TTRPGs have a tendency to be either "meh" or "bleh". See the absolute poop fest that is the Dark Souls TTRPG, at least the english version; seems like the original Japanese version is actually good.

If it fails at least there's Sword World and Fabula Ultima, both capture the JRPG fantasy perfectly.

Maybe. Maybe I should consider it as a new player to the TTRPG, because if it's anything like the MMORPG I'll have a lot of content to look forward to compared to the predictable dripfeed a veteran has to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Anybody else hyped? I want to know if GNB is going to be available in the base or if we're going to need a splatbook for that.

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From the teaser site's info, you only have WAR (or was it PLD?), DRG BLM and WHM to pick from. This is fine, because I think if they try adding more jobs of any role, they'll have to remove skills and abilities and homogenize them for the sake of balance.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I'm curious, but I don't have a tabletop group to play with and I have crippling social anxiety.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I want to get it but have no one to play it with. My tabletop group is still in their Balder Gate 3 craze and pretty much hates all things Final Fantasy related to begin with.

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Online over Discord or something to that effect is always an option. I'm not terribly fond of it to be honest, and scheduling conflicts still happen (c'est la vie), but the alternative is not playing at all.

I'm hoping to get this, at least to beg my DM to let me adapt a gunblade to D&D ^_^

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I'm curious, but I don't have a tabletop group to play with and I have crippling social anxiety.

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I might pick up the book just to read through it though. Wait, I don't even know if there is a big book!

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Originally Posted by Cidel

From the teaser site's info, you only have WAR (or was it PLD?), DRG BLM and WHM to pick from. This is fine, because I think if they try adding more jobs of any role, they'll have to remove skills and abilities and homogenize them for the sake of balance.

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If I'm reading it correctly, the Starter Set includes those four (it's WAR for the tank) as premade character sheets. Presumably the full standard rule book will include more classes to choose from. I'd expect to at least see all of the ARR jobs.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

No, not particularly. I'd rather see more RPG elements added to the game itself - such as more meaningful choices to be made within the MSQ's. Imagine if we could have our character react like a regular human would and show disgust towards the shocking reveal that a certain mother goddess deliberately inflicted genocide upon her own people?

As a roleplayer I've found it very difficult to be enthusiastic about actually engaging in roleplay in FFXIV due to how railroaded everything relating to the story happens to be.

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I swear, I feel like almost every response you make is just so try cynically try hard. I say this because I knew exactly what your response was gonna be by being the contrarian as usual and linking back the discussion to the game itself.

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I just kinda find it amusing. I dont play DnD anyway so I'm not excited myself but even then I wouldnt have cared to make such a response.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I swear, I feel like almost every response you make is just so try cynically try hard. I say this because I knew exactly what your response was gonna be by being the contrarian as usual and linking back the discussion to the game itself.

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I just kinda find it amusing. I dont play DnD anyway so I'm not excited myself but even then I wouldnt have cared to make such a response.

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Shame on Theodric for stating his distaste for a new product so honestly, in thread about said product, on a discussion board, and being rather polite and somewhat clinical about it in an effort not to upset certain posters whose titties twist whenever someone so much as utters direct disdain for the game or developers.
Shame. I'd smack you on the hand if I had a long enough ruler, Theodric, but I'm sure you can make do on your own.

At any rate, I'm sure glad that they found a way to finally let players play FFXIV, the MMO slowly morphing into a single player game, offline, and I can't wait for them to ruthlessly go after all the homebrew templates and content created by other people that have been posted around the internet because it violates some sort of copyright that will become relevant now that they're releasing a TTRPG that likely has minimal substance but all the flashiness that a mindless collector could want.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Shame on Theodric for stating his distaste for a new product so honestly, in thread about said product, on a discussion board, and being rather polite and somewhat clinical about it in an effort not to upset certain posters whose titties twist whenever someone so much as utters direct disdain for the game or developers.
Shame. I'd smack you on the hand if I had a long enough ruler, Theodric, but I'm sure you can make do on your own.

At any rate, I'm sure glad that they found a way to finally let players play FFXIV, the MMO slowly morphing into a single player game, offline, and I can't wait for them to ruthlessly go after all the homebrew templates and content created by other people that have been posted around the internet because it violates some sort of copyright that will become relevant now that they're releasing a TTRPG that likely has minimal substance but all the flashiness that a mindless collector could want.

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You misunderstand me, the thing wasnt that he doesnt like the product.

I DONT LIKE THE TTRPG myself. I think its just meh, but if you notice Theodric's attitude its just a bit eye-rolly that of course he has to add further into it by going back "I rather wish the game itself has rpg elements' and yada yada and I was just making an observation from knowing how the guy talks.

It has some of my FC interested a little. I do wonder if they're going to use D&D or some other system. If D&D then which edition as not every new product chooses to run with 5E. I do wonder how short these pre-made adventures are if they're saying 2hrs for run time.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You misunderstand me, the thing wasnt that he doesnt like the product.

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I'm aware that your oddly-visceral reaction was about how he posted, rather than the content of his post. I just don't agree that someone who seems to be actively going out of his way to share his opinions in such a way as to be mindful of the people around him, seemingly in an effort to avoid emotional reactions which don't further on-topic discussions, is somehow expressing a specific "attitude" unless you're attributing his distaste for the product as being his "attitude."
It comes off like you're that kid in grade school who makes fun of another kid because they knew how to answer the teacher's question, or "that one guy" in movies who makes fun of a character for having a hobby that's not deemed "worthy" by the group he's trying to appeal to. I'm not a fan and I don't think he deserves that, but it presents a fun opportunity (and so I chose) to be sardonic.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Shame on Theodric for stating his distaste for a new product so honestly, in thread about said product, on a discussion board, and being rather polite and somewhat clinical about it in an effort not to upset certain posters whose titties twist whenever someone so much as utters direct disdain for the game or developers.

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He didn't state his distaste for a new product. He didn't comment on the product at all. It's a XIV related product but more than likely no one on the development staff is involved with making it and still he links it back to issues he has with the MMO. And we have yet another thread where he can't stop himself from bringing up Venat. This is how many now?

Can't wait for this game to have more depth and complexity then the real thing

I would LOVE to try this! I have no hope in hell of actually playing it, since any of my friends who have time to play a tabletop RPG are already playing D&D and can't fit in another game/system, but I can dream! Still, I might look into getting the full rulebook when it comes out, just to read through for curiosity/fun.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

From the teaser site's info, you only have WAR (or was it PLD?), DRG BLM and WHM to pick from.

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I think that's just what they provide in the basic starter box. It's a short adventure with a few premade character sheets so beginners can jump in and try it out, sort of like a demo. D&D has similar starter boxes like this. There will also be a separate full rulebook which will provide the complete character/job options.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

He didn't state his distaste for a new product. He didn't comment on the product at all.

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I believe that, at the very least, the comment of "not at all" in response to the question of "how hyped are you for this product?" qualifies as a comment on the product (make up your mind: do you want precision, or do you want to be vague?). The fact that he decided to explain his stance further is extra icing on that cake, although I guess you're allowed to not accept that as part of his comment on the product.

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It's a XIV related product but more than likely no one on the development staff is involved with making it and still he links it back to issues he has with the MMO.

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He linked it back to FFXIV, the game, because it is a product about the game. FFXIV TTRP being related to FFXIV is not the mysterious and complicated leap of logic you're making it out to be.

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And we have yet another thread where he can't stop himself from bringing up Venat. This is how many now?

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I don't exactly keep track of his posts, but I don't honestly remember seeing any threads where his sole purpose is to spread propaganda against or about Venat, or where he's just burning to talk about Venat. That might be because I don't participate in lore discussions, or it may be because he doesn't actually do that.
For your sake, since you may not know how to do it yourself, and also because I haven't done something like this before, and also because you've piqued my interest, I've gone through and looked at his past posts (just the last 20, to see if, other than this post, he really does just constantly gab about Venat). It may surprise you that, other than in this thread, he...
*drumroll*
...has not mentioned Venat even once in those first 20 posts.
Meaning, he's not quite as Venat crazy as that one player was Ancients-crazy (remember that "The Ancients are my people, and YoshiP committed unfair genocide upon them" thread? Good times), and not so prone to talk about Venat as you're making him out to be. In fact, studies suggest that a lack of something in ones behavior means that this something is not actually happening, and some experts would suggest that the perception of such suggests a bias either for or against the topic, behavior, or the person observed.
To that end, I think you're just being extra-crispy sensitive about him because you were recently trying to argue with him.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I think that's just what they provide in the basic starter box. It's a short adventure with a few premade character sheets so beginners can jump in and try it out, sort of like a demo. D&D has similar starter boxes like this. There will also be a separate full rulebook which will provide the complete character/job options.

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On one hand, it would be very Squeen if they just decided to avoid developing this any further, and thus we get a single list of jobs, probably at least the ARR Job list, and never see anything more again.
Then again, on the other hand, it wouldn't be too surprising if they did start with just the four jobs and decide to offer supplements that offer additional jobs on a book by book basis as "FFXIV TTRPG expansions." You know, like "here's BARD, and an adventure that features them!"

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I swear, I feel like almost every response you make is just so try cynically try hard. I say this because I knew exactly what your response was gonna be by being the contrarian as usual and linking back the discussion to the game itself.

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I just kinda find it amusing. I dont play DnD anyway so I'm not excited myself but even then I wouldnt have cared to make such a response.

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Thankfully I do not go out of my way to seek permission from specific posters when it comes to leaving feedback relating to the game. I'm a roleplayer myself, so the product would have been of interest to me if the game itself had done more to cater to and appease roleplayers.

It's something I've pushed for many times in the past as you can see from my past posts relating to the subject that is roleplay.

That aside, it's worth noting that the game attracts players from many different backgrounds, cultures, countries, personality types and belief systems. As such, you're never going to get along with absolutely everyone and neither will every individual be your preferred cup of tea. I certainly don't expect anything more than a polite agreement or disagreement, though I daresay there's little need to launch personal attacks over someone's posting style. Especially if they're adhering to the site's rules.

I don't think there's anything particularly 'try hard' about my posts, either - not that it hugely matters but I'm Scottish and was taught to write in this manner. I don't feel obliged to change that for the sake of specific individuals on a video game forum.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

If I'm reading it correctly, the Starter Set includes those four (it's WAR for the tank) as premade character sheets. Presumably the full standard rule book will include more classes to choose from. I'd expect to at least see all of the ARR jobs.

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i think there is also another book coming for it as well.

I just think it's hilarious how a pretty great DnD style game released this year that gives people a lot of freedom and a diverse cast only for FFXIV to still want to try and drag the playerbase through another round of the Scions moralizing their way through another civilization, this time to save the people of the New World from themselves/the two headed lizard guy.

I can't look at this thing and other pieces of merch and not wonder why resources were wasted on this instead of improving the game especially in the state it's in.

They should make a virtual tabletop INSIDE OF FFXIV that can use in-game models for characters and monsters, environments, objects, and even orchestrion rolls for background music.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I just think it's hilarious how a pretty great DnD style game released this year that gives people a lot of freedom and a diverse cast only for FFXIV to still want to try and drag the playerbase through another round of the Scions moralizing their way through another civilization, this time to save the people of the New World from themselves/the two headed lizard guy.

I can't look at this thing and other pieces of merch and not wonder why resources were wasted on this instead of improving the game especially in the state it's in.

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Merch provides more money for the company, but resources to develop the merch is not taken away from CBU3. The merchandising dept has nothing to do with CBU3 other than a bit of consulting to make sure the product meets standards of the devs. So you'd rather there be no merch at all?

i wouldn't have any one to play it with and even so , and square wouldn't sell physical products to me anyway

At least for me, the appeal of TTRPG's have always been all of the ways to solve problems that circumvent combat. Because video games have combat down to a science; they do that really well! So if I want combat, my best bet is to probably just play a video game.

But where video games have trouble is more organic experiences where problems aren't solved by reducing something's life points to zero. When it comes to open-ended problem-solving, video games suffer because the designers can understandably only implement a handful of possible solutions. I'm loving playing Baldur's Gate 3, but even with all of the love that went into that game, it's commonplace for me to think of solutions or ways to solve a problem that the devs just didn't predict or didn't have the bandwidth to support. That's where TTRPG's shine, because your GM can react to anything you can dream of doing on the fly in ways that games will simply never be able to.

So personally, when I hear that Final Fantasy is going to make a TTRPG, I'm not excited. Because Final Fantasy games don't even try to be open-ended in the way that a game like Skyrim is. Rather, they tend to be linear, narrative experiences that focus on a linear story and specific battle encounters that you'll complete. So from a systems perspective, what Final Fantasy brings to the table for a TTRPG is combat. And that's...fine. But combat isn't why I play a TTRPG.

The Final Fantasy brand just doesn't have any history with the types of game mechanics that are the reason I play TTRPG's. So if I wanted to play a FF TTRPG, my assumption would be that I'd have better luck just using an established TTRPG game system and coating it with an FF skin.

I've already put my pre-order in for this! I'm pretty excited about it, and so are a couple others in my DnD group. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Eorzea and its lore can be adapted into a TTRPG.

Didn't look at it in detail. Is the system used pretty much the same as D&D and Pathfinder? Because I have this old sourcebook titled "The Book of Erotic Fantasy" I could unleash on Eorzea... >.>

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Didn't look at it in detail. Is the system used pretty much the same as D&D and Pathfinder? Because I have this old sourcebook titled "The Book of Erotic Fantasy" I could unleash on Eorzea... >.>

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Given that the starter set includes 6 d20s and 10 d6s, it's not a carbon copy of D&D systems. So, somewhat appropriately, if you wanted to use that particular sin against creation in XIV, you'd have to mod it.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

you'd have to mod it.

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This is the SE Police! You're going to the Gaol!

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Given that the starter set includes 6 d20s and 10 d6s, it's not a carbon copy of D&D systems. So, somewhat appropriately, if you wanted to use that particular sin against creation in XIV, you'd have to mod it.

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Challenge accepted. Time to add more pages to that book of stuff I'm not allowed to do anymore in various tabletop RPG games in my group... >.>

And here I thought the RP players would be leaping at the opportunity to turn their story rewrites and bespoke fantasies into actual (tabletop) gameplay. Ah well, guess the infinite potential of tabletop games to cater to bespoke fantasies still isn't enough if it's not part of the MMO... and I made a misjudgment of them being fellow tabletop game enjoyers...

Anyway, given SE has never produced a tabletop game before I'm currently operating on the assumption it was not developed in-house, which would mean it was developed by a third party and likely licensed by SE. Heaven knows they need the money after XVI only turned out to be a modest success after all their stupid business moves and flops (NFTs, "Games as a Service," Marvel's The Avengers, Forspoken, and to a lesser degree XV). We don't know one way or another at the moment though, so "They should be catering to my bespoke fantasies in-game, not developing a tabletop game" is... not even wrong.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

So they announced a TTRPG version of the game today...

Anybody else hyped? I want to know if GNB is going to be available in the base or if we're going to need a splatbook for that.

Eagerly awaiting details!

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i'm actually interested in the system they are using. Right now my group is playing the One Ring RPG i actually really like that system and prefer it over 5e to be honest. I know there's a 5e edition for that too but that's just weird. I will have to have a look at this one before i buy it.

Currently running 5e...

Totes truthsies, whether or not I pick up the system is dependent on whether or not my whole group does, and whether or not it addresses the balance issues between martials and casters. Ideally the Armory System will be included in some capacity so you aren't locked into a single class and can change up your party makeup on the fly to adapt to different situations, but I really hope there's some effort to keep casters and martials in relative parity.

Of course, even if they do so, TTRPGers are infamous for hating any effort to keep casters in check, so who knows.

Really though, as just a system you could use it for anything. Even not on Etheirys.

Has anyone made a Google Sheets version of the character sheet? That would help immensely. My game arrived today.

Has anyone tried it out yet?
What did you think of it?

5 Years ago i would have been excited to bits. Now i follow FFXIV news so scarcely that i didn't know this is a thing till i read the Forum post.