CBU3 has abandoned us

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

*shrug*

About all I can muster about not caring lol.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

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I better go refill my copium tank. It's all I have left.

pls buy mogstation item

At this point unless my job looks like fun to play in Dawntrail, I'm gone
Another 2-3 years of this is not worth my time or effort

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Since they abandoned you, you can quit your subscription and let me get your gil.

Yeah, XIV more and more looks like a very glorified visual novel with some multiplayer options.

The gameplay is dull, the content is dull, the jobs, especially the healers, are super dull. And the story,.. XIV biggest selling point, also getting stale (post Endwalker story is just...ugh)

High end raiding is almost entirely a body check simulator, which is on the whole another level of dull.

Relic weapons... lol. lmao even.

I was watching jobs retrospective and I am absolutely amazed how low the job design has fallen through the expansions (especially the healers, again).


But, hey, you can still spend your sub time making cute and/or lewd screenshots of player characters with the help of [REDACTED], some of them are conviniently named after some dungeons from the game. Peak gameplay.

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Originally Posted by NekiUno

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Since they abandoned you, you can quit your subscription and let me get your gil.

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Haha, you are so funny! A retort that no one has ever used!

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Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name

But, hey, you can still spend your sub time making cute and/or lewd screenshots of player characters with the help of [REDACTED], some of them are conviniently named after some dungeons from the game. Peak gameplay.

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Unironically, that is the primary reason my main is subbed.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

Haha, you are so funny! A retort that no one has ever used!

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Nah, i am dead serious. If you don't like the game you can quit but give me your gil before you go.

Is it supposed to be shocking or surprising that a corporation doesn't care about individuals? I mean, maybe it's just elder millennial cynicism showing through, but.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Is it supposed to be shocking or surprising that a corporation doesn't care about individuals? I mean, maybe it's just elder millennial cynicism showing through, but.

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B-but Yoshi P is one of us! He’s even a former MMO player! Did I mention he flashes his cool rings and is super hip? Go back to WoW hater….wait actually no don’t do that because WoW sucks! You can go play other games though (not really just stop posting is all we want)

It's pretty clear their main metric is not at all fun or engagement factor but activity/clear/earn rates. If you don't like something and you want it fixed, you need to cease reward hunting from it and never queue for it. Otherwise, if you earn that reward than they deem it a success and that it has served its purpose. It's pretty scummy we're at a point now where for them to listen, we need to activity avoid finishing the final relic step for them to consider it feedback.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

It's pretty clear their main metric is not at all fun or engagement factor but activity/clear/earn rates. If you don't like something and you want it fixed, you need to cease reward hunting from it and never queue for it. Otherwise, if you earn that reward than they deem it a success and that it has served its purpose. It's pretty scummy we're at a point now where for them to listen, we need to activity avoid finishing the final relic step for them to consider it feedback.

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Just gonna quote myself since that seems to be the thing people are doing this week.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

When it comes to companies and products as big as XIV, the only feedback that matters is one traceable on a spreadsheet.

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Originally Posted by NekiUno

Nah, i am dead serious. If you don't like the game you can quit but give me your gil before you go.

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Where did he say he didn't like the game?

I'd like to know how you arrived at such a conclusion.

He criticizes CBU3's choices based on statements in recent interviews that clearly indicate that player feedback goes in one ear and out the other,
he mentions that a large portion of the feedback is ignored because the developers are convinced that the current design of the game is good.

This has nothing to do with whether he likes FF14 or not.

I just wish they didn't come across as so distant and removed from what's going on in the game as these recent interviews suggest. But sadly this is the only natural outcome that would have come from only focusing on numerical data and not taking the time to comb through what players are saying.

They need to get their finger on the pulse again but by this point Endwalker can't really be salvaged, and the expectations laid out for Dawntrail don't really paint the strongest image for this game's future. It looks like it'll just be another Endwalker 2.0, and that's the last thing FFXIV needs right now.

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Originally Posted by remiff

Where did he say he didn't like the game?

I'd like to know how you arrived at such a conclusion.

He criticizes CBU3's choices based on statements in recent interviews that clearly indicate that player feedback goes in one ear and out the other,
he mentions that a large portion of the feedback is ignored because the developers are convinced that the current design of the game is good.

This has nothing to do with whether he likes FF14 or not.

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You forgot to read the last line:

"Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore."

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

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Would probably be a lot easier for some people to do without auto demolishion existing. I wonder how numbers would look like if that was off forever.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

You forgot to read the last line:

"Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore."

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I still don't see where he said he didn't like the game in that sentence, or maybe we have different interpretations of the readings.

To me, the meaning he's conveying is more about players not having to worry about the game anymore because their feedback won't be listened to.

There's nothing to assert whether this person likes or dislikes the game.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

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Ok bye?....but we all know you aren't leaving the game so stop with the theatrics.
Not every player concern is a valid one. And yes they (the devs n such) do get things wrong as does anyone but to say CBU3 no longer cares is just flat out a falsehood. Are they misguided with certain things? I'd agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Would probably be a lot easier for some people to do without auto demolishion existing. I wonder how numbers would look like if that was off forever.

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This logic has always been weird. What good is a house in a game you don't enjoy? Paying 15$ a month to keep a house you're most likely doing nothing with makes no sense. Folks will blame SE but it's the players making the choice to fork over that money.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

It's pretty clear their main metric is not at all fun or engagement factor but activity/clear/earn rates. If you don't like something and you want it fixed, you need to cease reward hunting from it and never queue for it. Otherwise, if you earn that reward than they deem it a success and that it has served its purpose. It's pretty scummy we're at a point now where for them to listen, we need to activity avoid finishing the final relic step for them to consider it feedback.

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This begs the question...what defines what's fun? Cause while many say they aren't having fun many say they are. No real definitive answer there.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

pls buy mogstation item

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muney go back into game we promis

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

muney go back into game we promis

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totally real scary baroness cash shop lady holding me, a board director, hostage to her whims i sware

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

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Ok. Since this bothers you so much, feel free to cancel your account. I doubt CBU3 cares if you do, so I'm not sure why you think posting these constant threads on how much the game sucks really accomplishes much.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

Haha, you are so funny! A retort that no one has ever used!

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Why would you want expect originality? You aren’t giving any with these tired old s***posts. 🥱🥱😴

It has been notorious for all but old players that are not in the very long "honeymoon phase" with the game, or the few, yet very vocal: white knights. That the game is recieving less and less as the time passes.

What kind of less, we don't exactly know.
But in basically all game content, we have either recived what is to be expected of a subscription based game, or less.

Be this fault of the CBU3 dedicating their time to now multiple projects. Be this just overall tiredness on this project, lack of new faces, just stagnation or lack of resources. The result seems to be the same:

Endwalker is a very brief, feature-less expansion.
Compared to Shadowbringers is basically just a new patch series rather than a expansion.
Compared to Stormblood the content is just less and lacking.
Compared to Heavensward lacks theming, atmosphere, drive, cohesion.
Compared to A Realm Reborn lacks growth. Im not seeing the over 10 years experience being put to use into anything interesting that has not been already done either in XIV or the genre in general.

Dawntrail will get an engine update, needed since launch basically for the PC audience.

And sactuary island... yay...

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Is it supposed to be shocking or surprising that a corporation doesn't care about individuals? I mean, maybe it's just elder millennial cynicism showing through, but.

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Maybe Larian should take over, I mean they're true gamers what with their quality rpgs like Divinity and Baldur's Gate 3 right?






...right?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Is it supposed to be shocking or surprising that a corporation doesn't care about individuals? I mean, maybe it's just elder millennial cynicism showing through, but.

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maybe for the younger people in the forums, "business" means something different.

the way I learned the word was it pertains entirely to the acquisition of money. period. caring about individuals, especially forum users, is only convenient if it means... more money. I somehow doubt the small percentage of forum posters contribute enough to move the care meter...at all

In my honest opinion, I dont think that CBU3 stopped caring. From the various interviews, LLs and communication we've received as well as how the game has been successful, it does feel like the devs pour a lot of work, effort and care into the product.

I just personally believe that (and this is gonna sound very harsh) its most likely the issues come from Yoshida is kinda...dumb about analyzing data and understanding whats the best course for addressing the feedback. I would say a mix of dumb, stubbornness and willingness to meet all ends even if he's aware that he cant please everyone.

I'm not saying that I can do better if I were in his position. Talk is cheap and us being gamers would easily believe that our solutions would be simple and successful upon implementation even if the answers and feedback is obvious. But this is not my job, nor anyone in the community's job. Its the producer and developer's job to take all our feedback data and use it to make the game better but I feel this has always been a bit of an issue with FFXIV from talking to people and researching previous patch content in older expansions. I guess the best compliment and assurance I can provide is that the dev team can make the game better, even if it takes for the game to start truly tanking in both scores and sales for them to double down and better listen to us. The dev team is the kind of team who would care enough to make sure it stays successful.

But for now, all we can do is just discuss and watch what their next move is. If the game starts truly sucking by then, then its our job to vote with our wallet and move on to better games. After all they're still a business and like I keep telling y'all; money talks. Sub numbers talks.

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I believe it would be best for the Devs to have a weekly poll on the launcher, asking players what they feel about X. They need some quantitative data to help them make more informed decisions. Saying "the players wanted this" is very hard to take, who did they talk to, how big was the sample? Listening to the forms, people talking in Limsa or 2/4 Chan is not going to give you clean data.

Polls, there easy, they work and poll often to get a better feel on how the players feel.

Is it possible for someone to abandon something they didn't really attend to in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

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They've always only ever cared about the JP feedback, never the western feedback. The only time they'll listen to us is when the ship is sinking. With that said. The recent interviews are absolutely terrible news, and anyone expecting change from the EW model in Dawntrail will be extremely disappointed, myself included. EW style of "once and done" content is looking like it's going to be the norm. The game had a good run, but this is where I check out.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

They no longer care about any feedback beyond feedback that is extremely trivial and low cost to implement like alliance raid ilvl issues.

In multiple interviews, they are now outright dismissing player concerns or stating outright falsehoods (like DC travel being a JP only issue).

Since CBU3 no longer cares about the game there is no need for players to care about FF14 anymore.

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I dont personally agree with this....but I am curious.
Does this mean people will actually start leaving to show SE and Devs a True message? Or will we see the Usual posters come in and just say the same things next patch / Expansion?

Not like I want it to happen to the game...but when will people finally learn that Metrics matter more then blasting Forums? Especially on a Forum where people have said many, Many, MANY times, that they dont listen. Yet continue to complain like anything will change? And Keep feeding the game money.
Im still gonna be here to SEE for myself if there will be improvements in Dawntrail. If not, and if the game starts to become Unfun even for a Casual like me, then Im out.
I have no sunken Cost, Im not chained to the game. If it cant prove, Im just out.
Maybe by people leaving, they can wake up, and actually reach out for answers instead of that Questionnaire. .

Honestly, maybe the only real way to reach these devs is through the JPN square enix website with their corporate emails listed (which seems to be a thing with other JPN counterpart Studios like Capcom).

If the devs. don't want to read what we have to say directly, lets take it to their executives and see what the tree shakes out because I literally have no more ideas at this point.

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Originally Posted by poptarts12

They've always only ever cared about the JP feedback, never the western feedback. The only time they'll listen to us is when the ship is sinking. With that said. The recent interviews are absolutely terrible news, and anyone expecting change from the EW model in Dawntrail will be extremely disappointed, myself included. EW style of "once and done" content is looking like it's going to be the norm. The game had a good run, but this is where I check out.

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Probably false but alright see ya.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I dont personally agree with this....but I am curious.
Does this mean people will actually start leaving to show SE and Devs a True message? Or will we see the Usual posters come in and just say the same things next patch / Expansion?

Not like I want it to happen to the game...but when will people finally learn that Metrics matter more then blasting Forums? Especially on a Forum where people have said many, Many, MANY times, that they dont listen. Yet continue to complain like anything will change? And Keep feeding the game money.
Im still gonna be here to SEE for myself if there will be improvements in Dawntrail. If not, and if the game starts to become Unfun even for a Casual like me, then Im out.
I have no sunken Cost, Im not chained to the game. If it cant prove, Im just out.
Maybe by people leaving, they can wake up, and actually reach out for answers instead of that Questionnaire. .

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I've said this for months and it's always met with pushback. "Vote with your wallet" isn't a liked mantra around here for some odd reason. I pay my sub because I enjoy playing the game (as a vet mind you) with my fc and friends. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be paying. It's simple really...or rather you'd think it was. Folks need their place to vent ig and they're willing to pay 15$ a month to have it.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I've said this for months and it's always met with pushback. "Vote with your wallet" isn't a liked mantra around here for some odd reason. I pay my sub because I enjoy playing the game (as a vet mind you) with my fc and friends. If this wasn't the case I wouldn't be paying. It's simple really...or rather you'd think it was. Folks need their place to vent ig and they're willing to pay 15$ a month to have it.

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Ive had this conversation with people IRL who love to say "It doesnt work"
True....because not everybody is doing it. Which then means; According to the metrics, there are people who either dont care, or people that like / Enjoy it. So they will continue to pay, play & Support. It wont work...until a Large enough Metric joins in and unsubscribes AND leave feedback.
Its probably been established for many years, the Metrics Point UP. If you want them to do down and give them a message....Vote - With - Your - Wallet.
It REALLY IS that simple, but people will just create excuses not to do it. And will continue to pay, keeping that Metric up.

Before we get any idiots. The game isn't perfect, always make your voice heard.
But we should stop and think...if moaning, complaining, Criticisms and getting into fights and trolling eachother are not leading to changes you want.
Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.
Is this not what leads to change in most cases?

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

This logic has always been weird. What good is a house in a game you don't enjoy? Paying 15$ a month to keep a house you're most likely doing nothing with makes no sense. Folks will blame SE but it's the players making the choice to fork over that money.

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It's not that hard to understand. People spent time and gil getting their house and decorating it. It's an achievement they accomplished in the game and they don't want it to disappear just because they were gone for a little while. It's the same reason you don't just give all your stuff away every time you take a month off of XIV. Because you want the things you worked for to be there when you get back.

That said, speaking as a big big decorating enthusiast, if the new allied raid sucks I will take a lot of pics of my house and then sadly kiss it goodbye because there're just better games/services I could spend the 15 a month/180 a year on.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Ive had this conversation with people IRL who love to say "It doesnt work"
True....because not everybody is doing it. Which then means; According to the metrics, there are people who either dont care, or people that like / Enjoy it. So they will continue to pay, play & Support. It wont work...until a Large enough Metric joins in and unsubscribes AND leave feedback.
Its probably been established for many years, the Metrics Point UP. If you want them to do down and give them a message....Vote - With - Your - Wallet.
It REALLY IS that simple, but people will just create excuses not to do it. And will continue to pay, keeping that Metric up.

Before we get any idiots. The game isn't perfect, always make your voice heard.
But we should stop and think...if moaning, complaining, Criticisms and getting into fights and trolling eachother are not leading to changes you want.
Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.
Is this not what leads to change in most cases?

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Hmm let's see...

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Free Company Housing was released in Patch 2.1 - Release Date 17 Dec 2013
Personal Housing was introduced in Patch 2.38 - Release Date 8 Jul 2014

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(source : https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Player_Housing)

As of today, we still have an auto demolition system that forces people to stay subscribed in order to not lose their houses, because of a so called housing crisis that in reality is created by SE themselves to boost their subscribers numbers for the shareholders.

How did "being nice" work in regards to that ? As much as I'd hate it personally, where is the instanced housing ? Where are the new wards aside from W25 to 30, why are there still multiple hundreds of people bidding on a single large on NA ?

Surely being nice and giving feedback would work right ?

And yet here we are, nothing is fixed.

By your opinion

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Then its time to change Tactics on how you get the message across. A good way?
The Wallet.

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Player A who started in 2013-2014 disagrees with the housing system being so restrictive and limited, should they have unsubscribed back then and stopped playing all together ? What would that have done now 10 years later ? The problem is still there.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Player A who started in 2013-2014 disagrees with the housing system being so restrictive and limited, should they have unsubscribed back then and stopped playing all together ? What would that have done now 10 years later ? The problem is still there.

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We will never know...because we never committed to it as a collective.
We need MORE people doing it and not just a handful of people on the forums, we need more people posibly "voting with their wallets" and possibly leaving, because of housing.

Also there are people like myself who dont care about housing / have given up on housing. So, we dont really contribute to this issue and don't help or harm it.

I would say the best thing to do is to just vote with your wallet and leave but after seeing your posts and threads lately it’s easy to ascertain who you are so you need your alts for ‘other activities’ so all your doing is rather than make points just causing drama. We honestly need a mega thread for all this sort of stuff it would be better for the forum… not saying the discussion can’t be had but making the front page be loaded with it all is just getting silly at this point