MrHappy State of Endwalker w/ Zepla podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMZzCJiDOP0

By the way, MrHappy lost a lot of fat, so congratulations !

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMZzCJiDOP0

By the way, MrHappy lost a lot of fat, so congratulations !

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we get it, you agree with them. did you truly need to boost your thread count that much, or you need the attention so badly, that it needed another thread on this?

I am surprised that you do not have your very own youtube channel

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She's really milking this one eh?

FFXIV "influencers" learned from WoW "content creators"


doom & gloom > pre expansion hype > 2-3 months of "everything is perfect" > doom & gloom

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

we get it, you agree with them. did you truly need to boost your thread count that much, or you need the attention so badly, that it needed another thread on this?

I am surprised that you do not have your very own youtube channel

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You need an original thought to have a YouTube channel.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

we get it, you agree with them. did you truly need to boost your thread count that much, or you need the attention so badly, that it needed another thread on this?

I am surprised that you do not have your very own youtube channel

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So ? Do you have a problem ? I love MrHappy and I love Zepla, what's it to you ? I agree with their takes and I agree with streamer opinions, too bad !

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMZzCJiDOP0

By the way, MrHappy lost a lot of fat, so congratulations !

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Didn't you already make a Zepla thread? Why not just post this there instead of making a new thread? Megathreads do better anyways.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Didn't you already make a Zepla thread? Why not just post this there instead of making a new thread? Megathreads do better anyways.

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Because I want to. I want to share the streamers' opinions, that's not against any rules. And actually you should thank me because the streamers have more knowledge than most forum users, Zepla and MrHappy both cleared multiple Ultimates for example. And they also are more insightful about the state of the game. Capiche ?

Back in my days... cough cough, we watched John Swifty for PvP tricks. Kids these days have it easy!!! All they have to do is afking in their mmo!

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Because I want to. I want to share the streamers' opinions, that's not against any rules. Capiche ?

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I take it you didn't read. It'd be best to just add it to your other thread as they basically talk about the same things...it'd be more in your favor but you know...logic.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Are you in charge of whether I can share streamer opinions now ? Should I submit an application to you next time ? Do you want me to fill out the application form in cursive too ?

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And with this I know for sure you're here to cause problems, not actually help change anything.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I take it you didn't read. It'd be best to just add it to your other thread as they basically talk about the same things...it'd be more in your favor but you know...logic.

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Are you in charge of whether I can share streamer opinions now ? Should I submit an application to you next time ? Do you want me to fill out the application form in cursive too ?

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

And with this I know for sure you're here to cause problems, not actually help change anything.

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What is the problem I'm causing ? Hmm ?

God were going to get a Zepla thread any time she posts something that criticizes the game. Zzzz

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Because I want to. I want to share the streamers' opinions, that's not against any rules. And actually you should thank me because the streamers have more knowledge than most forum users, Zepla and MrHappy both cleared multiple Ultimates for example. And they also are more insightful about the state of the game. Capiche ?

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Aw its nice for people to have heroes in their life. You hold on to that as long as you need to kiddo!

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Aw its nice for people to have heroes in their life. You hold on to that as long as you need to kiddo!

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w_Pll7GDVgI

It’s telling that GCBTW tries to shout down criticism threads rather than actually ignoring them if they don’t like the content

Does it hurt that badly that people don’t think the game is perfect

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMZzCJiDOP0

By the way, MrHappy lost a lot of fat, so congratulations !

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Cheers

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

we get it, you agree with them. did you truly need to boost your thread count that much, or you need the attention so badly, that it needed another thread on this?

I am surprised that you do not have your very own youtube channel

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Which would be funny because MrHappy and Sly disagreed with Zepla on a few of her points.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

She's really milking this one eh?

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More like MrHappy is since there's really not all that much going on in game right now for a podcast topic.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

God were going to get a Zepla thread any time she posts something that criticizes the game. Zzzz

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It wouldn't be the first time someone came to the forums to talk about Zepla videos (whether praise or criticism) and it won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It’s telling that GCBTW tries to shout down criticism threads rather than actually ignoring them if they don’t like the content

Does it hurt that badly that people don’t think the game is perfect

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This forum is the absolute worst in regards to toxic positivity tbh, as can be seen in every thread that goes agaisnt an aspect of the game that a streamer or even a player dislikes, they actually just cant handle the game that they play gets criticized, they'd rather have an echo chamber of toxic positivity.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

This forum is the absolute worst in regards to toxic positivity tbh, as can be seen in every thread that goes agaisnt an aspect of the game that a streamer or even a player dislikes, they actually just cant handle the game that they play gets criticized, they'd rather have an echo chamber of toxic positivity.

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I legitimately do not understand why people have to try and counter criticism. Negativity does not kill a good game, just like how positivity does not save a bad game, but you know what kills both good and bad games? Apathy. If a game does not provide enough longevity in their content while the head developer tells the playerbase to go play other games, that's a fantastic way to build apathy and push people away from your game (perhaps forever).

From my point of view as a mostly solo player it really feels like most of the criticism comes from content creators who want more new social content in the game so they can have more "interesting" content for their channels.

This forum aside I get the impression the average player doesn't have such doom and gloom for the game and are probably mostly enjoying it.

For all the "FF 14 is dying" videos I keep seeing every year the game has always felt highly active and healthy to me.

So I've never really related to these talking points.

I'm not a new player either, have been playing off and on since 1.0 and Endwalker is the expension I've played the most.

Is the game perfect, no, there can be improvements but something feels suspicious with all the content being pushed out about the game being terrible with "no content"

Maybe this game just fits my personality more than the average content creator. I mean I can't imagine going on camera and having to find something to talk about for hours on end about this game, but I have spent a ridiculous amount of hours in game just doing my thing, and enjoying it.

This post got long, will end it here.

Since no one has yet, I'll actually engage: I'm no fan of Mr.Happy myself, I think he is incredibly rude and his guides mediocre, but I think it's good a lot of our big name streamers are critiquing things and starting dialogue. It's good he also disagrees with her points too. Varied feedback is only going to help the longterm health of the game.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It’s telling that GCBTW tries to shout down criticism threads rather than actually ignoring them if they don’t like the content

Does it hurt that badly that people don’t think the game is perfect

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What criticism?

There’s none in the OP

I think stormy is failing to understand the issue here...if we ignore the issue of multiple threads essentially being spam about the same topic point then Mr alt troll keeps on going unchecked. You know people wouldn't be adverse to people with a negative post if it were so glaringly obvious who the poster is so that original post regardless if the material inside it is good it looses credibility because there are factors into why they are posting it...mainly to stir the pot for their small ego having to be page 1 all the time. Also...you responded to short comments as valid critique are hypocritical when you yourself will post memes or similar responses to other people in other threads and there is plenty of what the youths call 'receipts' of this.

This thread doesn't need to exist...it could of just been tacked onto the already stupidly large zepla post... also I'm only 25 minutes in and hearing zepla saying she doesn't hate Endwalker...but posted the clickbait title anyway just irks me. Someone already proved in the comments that her achievement score shows lack of mounts and minions to content that she hasn't done...current extremes, deep dungeon, island sanctuary...its not even the typical people saying why don't you have all the tank mounts etc.. its the generic 'causal' content she hasn't even done. Also she loved base Endwalker...she praised the heck out of it....its more post patches which even then she ignores all the QoL and benefits to the new player experience because everything is terrible...its not in a great place but its not in the worst place.

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Originally Posted by magtuired

Since no one has yet, I'll actually engage: I'm no fan of Mr.Happy myself, I think he is incredibly rude and his guides mediocre, but I think it's good a lot of our big name streamers are critiquing things and starting dialogue. It's good he also disagrees with her points too. Varied feedback is only going to help the longterm health of the game.

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I don't like many 14 content creators to be fair as most just drip feed their content or do the bare minimal that anyone with a mic could make. Cough cough read a lodestone post and make it 10 mins...type content. But in this regard I haven't watched the whole video yet but he is definitely more insightful then Zepla in this regard so out of the 2 he holds a little more weight if you count these peoples opinions as weight that affect your views on the product.

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Originally Posted by magtuired

It's good he also disagrees with her points too. Varied feedback is only going to help the longterm health of the game.

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He didn't disagree with all of her points, just some of them. Like you said, it's a good thing since varied feedback can encourage discussions and can give the developers a better idea of what players are thinking. Not everyone is thinking the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

He didn't disagree with all of her points, just some of them. Like you said, it's a good thing since varied feedback can encourage discussions and can give the developers a better idea of what players are thinking. Not everyone is thinking the same thing.

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Sadly yes toxic positivity is a thing on this forum but there is also toxic negativity and thats why we cant have nuanced discussion in the slightest so it just becomes a case of who can we meme 'copium', troll or shout louder then which is sort of sad when you think about it...active moderation of the rules and threads would alleviate some of this or at least coax discussion onto more productive paths.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

So ? Do you have a problem ? I love MrHappy and I love Zepla, what's it to you ? I agree with their takes and I agree with streamer opinions, too bad !

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And there is your problem. These two are the worst FF XIV, content creator wise, has to offer. Imean MrHappy is milking this game so bad he is rating past patches now, lmao.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

And there is your problem. These two are the worst FF XIV, content creator wise, has to offer. Imean MrHappy is milking this game so bad he is rating past patches now, lmao.

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Would you like a link to your creator of choice that says that EW is shit because I can link you just about any of them

everyone hates the constant posting of zepla treats, yet the same people keep going in, futher bumping said treads, making them the most popular ones.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Because I want to. I want to share the streamers' opinions, that's not against any rules. And actually you should thank me because the streamers have more knowledge than most forum users, Zepla and MrHappy both cleared multiple Ultimates for example. And they also are more insightful about the state of the game. Capiche ?

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Imo you're just doing the same thing Zepla does, something that I take issue with because I feel like it lacks creativity and any originality: copy-pasting content and not adding much to it.

It's fine to want to share their opinions but at least *ADD* your own original thoughts to it because otherwise it feels like you're just trying to push people to view MH or Zep's channel.

I promise you, you don't need to advertise for them here. Plenty know they exist. If they want to watch them, they will.

Otherwise, I think this thread would have gone down better if it wasn't just a "Congrats on losing weight" post and actually had some of your thoughts on the topic discussed that weren't just solely regurgitated from the video. You're also a chronic thread maker on here, just being honest, so that's also gonna irritate some people since we already have an issue with people making multiple threads for the same thing. It could have all just gotten add to your original Zepla thread tbh.

As a side note, I don't know what ultimates have to do with anything lol. You can literally buy clears, ultimates aren't this big flex anymore that people want to make them out to be and they're even more of a joke now after what happened with TOP lol.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

everyone hates the constant posting of zepla treats, yet the same people keep going in, futher bumping said treads, making them the most popular ones.

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Maybe because people agree with her criticism. For month people that have this kind of criticism has been shut down by some part of the community saying "Your opinion doesn't count, you're a hater" or "you're just a small vocal part of the community". That thread being so popular is just a proof that there is more to that, that's a subject people care about. The fact the thread on the new video (which was far weaker than the previous one) from yesterday or the day before is already dying out when the first one continue to live strong goes that way.

I wish we could do without all the ad-hominem and the trolls bloating the thread but hey, every thread is like this, it won't happen without SE doing some moderation.

Why do people bring a youtuber instead of just doing the criticism. We tried for month, and got shot off. Now we have one of the biggest FFXIV creators (or at least was for a long time, I don't know exactly I knew who she was and saw clips of her, but that endwalker patches video was the first complete video of her I saw) that comes around with the same argument we had for month, of course people will " " "follow" " " her.

Like it or not, she has far more weight we individually have, and it's harder to say"Your opinion doesn't count, you're a hater" or "you're just a small vocal part of the community", when there is proof that thousands of people agree with that. Now the defense mechanism has become "It's a streamer, you're not gonna listen to her, right? Right? That would make you a sheep, right? Right?"

Maybe if the community could take some lvl of criticism when it comes without labelling people as hater, we would not be there, the reaction to her video would have been "Yeah, people already said a thousand times, you're late to the party."

Nothing against either of them, honestly..... but I do think content creators posting reaction videos around something another content creator said is a bit silly.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Still nobody cares about streamers and no one cares about Zepla's opinion. FFXIV is one of the very few games in which the majority actually doesnt care about "muh streamer thinks the game sucks so i'll quit too" or the opposite, which is good, lets keep it that way.

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I agree with the catgirl here

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Originally Posted by NailBach

And there is your problem. These two are the worst FF XIV, content creator wise, has to offer. Imean MrHappy is milking this game so bad he is rating past patches now, lmao.

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Ok, bye Zepla hater

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Mr Happy saying that Savage (and by extension anything under Ultimate) is Midcore content and not Hardcore, is up there for out of touch statements. Can't really take content creators as seriously when they're clearly not playing the same game as everyone else and have a warped view of it.

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I agree with you, I like that Zepla used Twitter to ask opinions from casual players, I don't think MrHappy does that as often.

Mr Happy saying that Savage (and by extension anything under Ultimate) is Midcore content and not Hardcore, is up there for out of touch statements. Can't really take content creators as seriously when they're clearly not playing the same game as everyone else and have a warped view of it.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Mr Happy saying that Savage (and by extension anything under Ultimate) is Midcore content and not Hardcore, is up there for out of touch statements. Can't really take content creators as seriously when they're clearly not playing the same game as everyone else and have a warped view of it.

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That something you regulary see with raiders, streamers or not. They qualify what is casual/midcore/hardcore depending of the difficulty of the content only. But it's mostly about time commitment and need to organise to enter into the content. It baffles me to see that Zepla thought she was more on the casual side and that relics farm was casual content. casual is one of the most midcore content, because despite not being hard, it used to ask you a lot of time commitment to get them.

When I hear someone say savage is midcore, I hear a raider thinking savage raid difficulty has decreased. I instantly know the guy is a hardcore player and he probably doesn't really know what he is talking about when he talks about casuals or even midcore players to some extent.

But you see that everyday on the forum. people saying that extremes are not hardcore content, but for casuals and a good part of the midcore players, it is, because it imply a good dose of organisation with your teammates, being for fight itself or chose a date to run the content.

Casual to Hardcore players is a spectrum where the commitment asked from you is the most important criteria, being a time commitment, the commitment of learning a strat beforehand, or the commitment to be there a precise day at a precise time, ... or even all at once.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Mr Happy saying that Savage (and by extension anything under Ultimate) is Midcore content and not Hardcore, is up there for out of touch statements. Can't really take content creators as seriously when they're clearly not playing the same game as everyone else and have a warped view of it.

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Pretty much every time a new raid tier drops, MrHappy gets to play week 1 with some of the best players in the entire community, (no, I'm not implying he's carried before anyone makes that assumption, far from it) so I'm not surprised he's saying nonsense things like savage being midcore.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

Pretty much every time a new raid tier drops, MrHappy gets to play week 1 with some of the best players in the entire community, (no, I'm not implying he's carried before anyone makes that assumption, far from it) so I'm not surprised he's saying nonsense things like savage being midcore.

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MrHappy's perspective is biased because, as you mentioned, he plays with the top-tier players in Final Fantasy 14.

Due to this, he may not fully grasp how the average player's skill level in the game is not at that level,
many players use the party finder with players of varying skill levels, so he cannot be objective in this situation.

Even extreme fights might be challenging for many players who don't invest heavily in the game or feel incapable of doing savage fights ""can be a discouraging barrier for some players".
While not all savage fights are difficult, they are generally much harder than the average extreme-level encounter, requiring a higher level of group coordination,
this is one of the reasons why savage content is unpopular, and the participation and clear rates for the last boss of a tier are relatively low.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Casual to Hardcore players is a spectrum where the commitment asked from you is the most important criteria, being a time commitment, the commitment of learning a strat beforehand, or the commitment to be there a precise day at a precise time, ... or even all at once.

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The problem is there is no consensus on what Casual to Hardcore means. Is it just time commitment or is it also difficulty. You aren't going to get a cohesive answer here. To a lot of people they're talking about the difficulty of content and not the time commitment.

And Savage in a lot of areas has dipped in its difficulty. Same as EX. Hence why a lot of people place them in Midcore. Personally, I think they're both hardcore and we have no proper midcore content in the game - where there is decent difficulty and low/no time commitment.

You can argue EX and I would argue anything that requires me to use a PF on specific days during specific hours to even get a chance at a LOOK at the content (even more so if I can't do it when it is recent_ is more of a time commitment edging close to Hardcore.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Maybe because people agree with her criticism. For month people that have this kind of criticism has been shut down by some part of the community saying "Your opinion doesn't count, you're a hater" or "you're just a small vocal part of the community". That thread being so popular is just a proof that there is more to that, that's a subject people care about. The fact the thread on the new video (which was far weaker than the previous one) from yesterday or the day before is already dying out when the first one continue to live strong goes that way.

I wish we could do without all the ad-hominem and the trolls bloating the thread but hey, every thread is like this, it won't happen without SE doing some moderation.

Why do people bring a youtuber instead of just doing the criticism. We tried for month, and got shot off. Now we have one of the biggest FFXIV creators (or at least was for a long time, I don't know exactly I knew who she was and saw clips of her, but that endwalker patches video was the first complete video of her I saw) that comes around with the same argument we had for month, of course people will " " "follow" " " her.

Like it or not, she has far more weight we individually have, and it's harder to say"Your opinion doesn't count, you're a hater" or "you're just a small vocal part of the community", when there is proof that thousands of people agree with that. Now the defense mechanism has become "It's a streamer, you're not gonna listen to her, right? Right? That would make you a sheep, right? Right?"

Maybe if the community could take some lvl of criticism when it comes without labelling people as hater, we would not be there, the reaction to her video would have been "Yeah, people already said a thousand times, you're late to the party."

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That thread being popular is only proof that we have a lack of moderation. And can we please stop with the "oh pity us" stuff...criticism isn't being shut down by anyone. You can still post any criticism you want so factually you are not being shut down.

The word "trolls" around here has lost all meaning.
You then speak of being shot down but again...there's far more people that dislike xiv rn than there are people who like it on this site, posting. How does spamming what a content creator says (that many have crapped on in the past til she finally agrees with them) do anything different. Practically no one around here on the "defense brigade" claims that criticism doesn't matter or calls folks offering it haters. The word hater is probably one of the rarest labels we see so no. You then speak of the defense mechanism being "you're sheep if you listen to Zepla now" which is odd because...when people posted Zepla saying great things about the game in the past many of the folks with her now called folks with her back then sheep alongside Zepla herself.

The last bit is ironic because most of the labeling comes from one "side". Bootlicker, Defense Brigade, Criticism Police, White Knight, Shill, Casuals, Drones, SE Defense Force, Trolls like...come on. No one even called OP a hater...just asked why we have to see another thread from a chronic thread maker about the same person. Even I myself suggested putting it on the previous thread to help but I and many others get called shills for this. This is the stuff that doesn't help the forums at all.