Ideas to improve FFXIV

So latley everyone is just critical of SE and asking for better, but the staff/team may be out of ideas too. I thought maybe we could help by having a thread on WHAT we could change/implementat. Just any ideas u have that would make ffxiv content better. Ways ud have changed it, Ways youde redesign it or things you'd scrap entirely and add new version of.

Here are some things I'd have considered if I was a developer
* dungeons having multiple routes like criterion
* unreal changing every 2 weeks with a treasure chest in the duty dropping all the same old stuff + new augment item for the weapons from that fight (and a pity system version of it)
*Island sanctuary scrap and do island ishgard making players build it up from scratch in patches
*trust removed for msq progression only. This is an mmo. Stop catering to single player
*overworld superboses that aren't just fates or sranks and take hundreds of ppl to kill
*new reward system aside from mounts/glam/minions/titles. Srsly the novelty wares off.
*Relic weapons / savage gear upgrade from the previous expansion. Boom now all content is relivant. Does this make it hard for new ppl? No. Unsynch that stuff but now u have a reason to allways be doing it.
*update ishgard restoration for lvl 90 and on or make a new restoration.
*STOP MAKING THINGS SOOO EASY TO LEVEL! this is the CORE of other mmos, like wow, runescape and ESO. if every job came at level 1. needed u to actually grind those levels out, and the exp took 2ce-3x as long to gain. then getting leveled up would be a real achievment and leveling parties could be a thing, not to mention id learn the new jobs much better because id actually be able to see how they change level by level. instead of a huge dump off skills when it released. right now if i do fates to 60 in all zones, im 90 in every job way before im done.. fix this! idk who its to cater to? msq gives u 1 free job to 90 and thats fair.. but more is honestly just waay to generous. help urself a little here by doing what every other hige mmo does and is praised for. making leveling relevant with great money/content rewards
*stop adding new jobs and fix every job rn so that it's not a homogenised mess. branching the jobs paths into specilizations would be a great way to go forward
*balance pvp properly and deal with croud control abuse

This is such a balanced and nuanced list of changes you know it’s never going to happen

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* dungeons having multiple routes like criterion

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Agreed - having multiple routes makes things a little bit more interesting. Rather than just making new variant/criterion dungeons the devs should make all future dungeons like this.

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*Island sanctuary scrap and do island ishgard making players build it up from scratch in patches

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*update ishgard restoration for lvl 90 and on or make a new restoration.

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Yeah I got quite bored with the island, I was hoping (and still do) that it was the dev's way of testing instanced player-owned areas so they could fix the housing issue by basically allowing us to build houses on our own island, but didn't quite work that way - it's still a bit restrictive. All for new restoration area though - maybe Garlemald (after such devastation!).

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*stop adding new jobs and fix every job rn so that it's not a homogenised mess.
*balance pvp properly and deal with crowd control abuse

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Yup - jobs are boring and need re-designing. I'm hoping AST is going to be properly fixed in 7.0, but after what has happened to previous jobs I'm not holding my breath. PvP is certainly unbalanced and needs sorting - I only play it for Moogle Tomes and if I need to do the roulette for levelling these days.

We have a lot of easy and hard content..
But no midcore content!

I wish we had a raid tier below Savage/EX.
That dosn't focus on personal responsibility, positionals and memory..
But rather fights that focus more on teamwork and reactions + adjustments ..


The current hardcore content we have ( Ex/Savage/Ultimates)
Literally exist only to punish player(s) who have
issues with memorising/visualizing and distractions( focus)...lol

Note:
Many neurological disabilities and neurodevelopmental disorders
have those 3 things i stated above as a common trait(s)..

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

So latley everyone is just critical of SE and asking for better

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It's happened on the forums for many years. It's also pretty logical that some people could just get burned out after 10 years.

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but the staff/team may be out of ideas too.

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Not yet. Not at all. Endwalker had so many great ideas, and they've got plenty more as you can see with Dawntrail. They have told us in interviews that although we may be worried they were at the "end" of the story, they have lots more ideas which is part of why they were so eager to finish the previous arc. In fact, Emet Selch's last lines were meant to be a message to players that there are plenty more ideas and not to worry.

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dungeons having multiple routes like criterion

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We had this in ARR. People just choose the most efficient one. As for variant dungeons, well, they are making those or you wouldn't have had an example to give, so? We could also argue deep dungeons vary as well.

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unreal changing every 2 weeks

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Changing more frequently would be ideal, such as every day or week, but there was obviously a reason for it. They spend a lot of time actually testing and rescaling it by hand to make sure it's possible to clear at level 90. For example, Leviathan's water and reflect attacks were so deadly at level 80 that they had to nerf them and they don't want something like that to happen because of some automatic scaling.

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Island sanctuary scrap and do island ishgard making players build it up from scratch in patches

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No point scrapping it at this point. May as well allow in-door housing items and then it will act as instanced housing.

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trust removed for msq progression only. This is an mmo. Stop catering to single player

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It is mainly just used for MSQ progression anyway, and they want to cater to the single player final fantasy gamers now, so they just disagree with you. They obviously are not going to go back on this major business decision they made and subsequently announced.

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overworld superboses that aren't just fates or sranks and take hundreds of ppl to kill

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We get 2 FATEs like that in each expansion and S ranks actually need about 24 people at release, otherwise they take ages to kill. I remember spending 20-40 minutes fighting one with 3 people at Shadowbringers release. This was because the instances caused a massive backlog of S ranks to be "ready to spawn" at the early morning hours and people got tired and burned out and went to sleep (and probably cross-world as a concept was still newer). They had lots of mechanics and all of them were deadly, often even to tanks. We were killing 2-3 per hour yet there were probably 50 Shadowbringers S ranks ready to spawn and it was exhausting.

But we could have more, sure, or they could take even more than 24 to kill.

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new reward system aside from mounts/glam/minions/titles. Srsly the novelty wares off.

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Well suggestions then? Isn't this what MMOs do?

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update ishgard restoration for lvl 90 and on or make a new restoration.

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Restoring other areas would be nice, such as the rubble in Yanxia, Garlemald or elsewhere.

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stop adding new jobs and fix every job rn so that it's not a homogenised mess.

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I suppose constantly adding jobs is probably why they feel the need to homogenize. But also part of the reason is the community saying "well this tank has X thing, so the other one should!" while at the same time complaining about the very homogenization they are asking for.

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balance pvp properly and deal with croud control abuse

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Define properly. They constantly rebalance it to make sure there is a 50% win rate for all the jobs.

I like most of the list and would be a great improvement, but would never fly.

the relic/savage weaponry...being able to upgrade would be okay, but then whats the point in adding in new ones at that point?

stop adding new jobs I completely agree with. been saying that for ages... but they will not stop. why? its the easiest "content fix"a game I used to play adds a new character almost every 6 months. they do that to keep people around and playing. it is much easier than reworking what they have now, and I suspect much cheaper resource wise.

plus, for consistency, you would likely have the same team doing them all and all release at the same time. its far easier for them to cherry pick good abilities from other jobs and come up with a "new" job. at least we get to have them all on one character... saves needing more character slots for basically what we already have.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Endwalker had so many great ideas

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Did it though? *Thor face*

Variant dungeons was a good add. I like those a lot.

Other than that.. what was new? What was great? Stealth and escort missions? HARD EFFING PASS - Never again thank you.

Island Sanctuary? Already thoroughly boring and pointless. They completely missed the mark on that one.

No relic grind of any kind? No midcore endgame of any kind? No sequence FATES? Several zones where the sun literally never shines? Are these good ideas?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's happened on the forums for many years. It's also pretty logical that some people could just get burned out after 10 years.

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DAWNTRAIL WILL FIX IT!
they were just hyping up new zones, not new content. they delivered absolutley nothing of value in 6.x that wasnt met with more complaints than praise

DUNGEONS
then put it on a daily route, and add that route to the dutyfinder info. they do it with frontline maps, they can do it with dn. alternitivley. add normal criterion to the duty finder for 90 dungeons

UNREALS
cant say for sure how hard it is to scale content up, but it cant be that bad. just put the 1s we HAVE had on the cycle at the very least

ISLAND
will do absolutley nothing to improve it. even getting to other islands has to many loops

TRUST
they also thought genderlocking was a good buisness decision and player backlash is changing that. theyre not allways right because "it makes money" the solo content kills the game

FATES/Overworld
the fates hardly ever pop, are set to 90 only zones and are completly redundant after 3 kills. some kind of massive server boss with a new reward system would be far superior to fates because players would have reasons to enrage with the zone. runescape did that great with random events spawnning bosses like evil tree

rewards
well, this 1 is hard for me, because idk what people want. maybe they want a reward that allways them access to something other players need to get the same reward for. maybe they want a way to customize theyre characters appearence better, like giving ur character horns or wings. whatever new reward they add. had to be genuinly entertaining for a while. other games can do it. im sure this 1 can too. hell, maybe if they made gil worth while then gil rewards or items to sell would help


Jobs
sometimes u have to take off the training wheels,. also if u add specizations like what GW2 has.. then u dont need to add more jobs, u expand on the 1s u DO have with multiple paths

PVP
currently, pvp is a completly unbalanced mess. in Rival wings rn. if ur not a ninja, sam, drg, drk or whm ur going to really strruggle to make any impact in the areana. u can get silanced, into stun, into bind, into freeze.sleep. and then it all repaits. CC abuse is out of controll and nobody enjoys pvp anymore. they just exploit it

because u still need to keep up with current ilevel

as for jobs, add paths like GW2. then u can keep changing jobs up without adding new ones

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Originally Posted by Korbei

Variant dungeons was a good add. I like those a lot.

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variant should have been what every dungeon is. 12 paths on weekly cycle thats allways different. discovering those paths would be 12 weeks of tons of fun

criterion should just be changed to only ex < giving normal mount
and savage > giving big boy mount

the normal version should be the new patch dungeon. and it should have 12 paths. imagine for example, lunar subterain now is the new criterion dng. this way. devs cut back on things they need to make, casuals get there new approachable dungeon content. its drip fed on weekly cycle so it cant be rushed. ex doesnt need 25 farms, normal gives the armours that help level alt jobs and savage finally has a decent reward!

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

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* dungeons having multiple routes like criterion

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Agree to some extent: what I would change is that the selection of the route should be random every time you step in and not up to players. Otherwise, people would just chose the easiest/fastest.

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* unreal changing every 2 weeks with a treasure chest in the duty dropping all the same old stuff + new augment item for the weapons from that fight (and a pity system version of it)

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One per patch is too slow but considering how bad some groups can be, two weeks may be too short and many would not bother learning the fights. Some people may not be available either during one or both weeks. Maybe a month or two or release several and rotate them.

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*Island sanctuary scrap and do island ishgard making players build it up from scratch in patches

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more engagement and customization would be nice.

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*trust removed for msq progression only. This is an mmo. Stop catering to single player

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I actually use trusts mainly for MSQ: I get to enjoy the story, my cutscenes and the banter without anyone rushing because they already cleared it or are not interested. Watching cutscenes at the inns is not the same and you’ve already been spoiled. I also very occasionally like it to try a new job or skip queue to farm something.

The npcs are so inefficient that I think players who only use trusts would simply not play otherwise so it doesn’t really affect anything. Let them have their fun.

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*overworld superboses that aren't just fates or sranks and take hundreds of ppl to kill

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hundreds? Hello congestion. No thank you. Hunts with 100+ players are already quite annoying.

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*Relic weapons / savage gear upgrade from the previous expansion. Boom now all content is relivant. Does this make it hard for new ppl? No. Unsynch that stuff but now u have a reason to allways be doing it.

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no, fresh start is fine. If I want to switch jobs for the new expansion, I don’t have backtrack all the way.

Plus not every past content can be soloed and finding groups can take long. I also think about content like Bozja: last time I found myself alone in the instance most of the time. I had to run around to spawn and solo my own CEs. On top of being tedious and an awful long grind, some people might not be able to do that by the pile of bodies on the ground after group CEs. It would be a pain for new jobs and it would be discouraging for new players.

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*stop adding new jobs and fix every job rn so that it's not a homogenised mess.

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Agreed and the 2 min meta which is awfully boring.

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*balance pvp properly and deal with croud control abuse

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Agreed.

I've said this a lot in any places, so it's beating a dead horse for me, but here they are anyway:

1) Build a proper, real physics engine for the environment. A real 3d-platforming jump and fixed hit boxes.
2) Rework your in-game UI/tooltips to be less TEXTY and more graphical;
---->Put every single jobs' intended rotation in game in a graphical way, with things labeled like they are on the webpage.
---->Explain skill weaving ("These are extra abilities you can use between Global Cooldown skills.")
3) Revise the main menu "orbs"; Specifically why certain things are in "Character Settings" and not "System Settings".
4) Rework job quests to specifically teach the rotation and allow you to test it out/get feedback on doing it correctly. Alternatively add this to The Smith (Options could just be "Current Job Skill Guide")
5) Add more purpose to Open World. Include more things to do in open world that are NOT fates. Minigames (Jumping Puzzles, actual racing, etc; literally just copy Guildwars 2)
6) Next Open Midcore Content- Eureka-sized dungeon(s) with switches/doors/chest/etc where you have to literally delve/search out certain monsters/treasures/paths in a limited amount of time. Certain obstacles cleared might give more time. No bosses rooms but pop-able Eureka-style NMs. See FF11 Dungeons.
7) More Level-free things to do (like Gold Saucer/Ocean Fishing) where people can just goof off -together- without worrying about XP/gear. Casual stuff. Maybe a checkerboard or deck of cards.

I know a sure-fire way to improve XIV....but will most likely get banned for saying it.....

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Originally Posted by kaynide

7) More Level-free things to do (like Gold Saucer/Ocean Fishing) where people can just goof off -together- without worrying about XP/gear. Casual stuff. Maybe a checkerboard or deck of cards.

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id be down for a minning/botnist version of ocean fishing. (please make them seperate) these worked so well for rs. skilling is genuinly enjoyable and needs expanded on

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

I know a sure-fire way to improve XIV....but will most likely get banned for saying it.....

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interesting u havent tried it yourself yet

To kaynide: So, in essence, rewrite the whole game and make it something closer to, um, Gear Wars 2 and Final Fantasy 11?

Not sure that the Japanese play checkers. They have something called Shogi, though.

Some of these suggestions lol.

- Change everything about the game
- Make it good
- Stop making it bad

I'm sure the devs will get right on it.

edit: my suggestions

- qol improvements including reducing amount of clicks for a ton of things (retainers, repairing, etc)
- crafting/gathering jobs all can wear the same glamours

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

I actually use trusts mainly for MSQ: I get to enjoy the story, my cutscenes and the banter without anyone rushing because they already cleared it or are not interested. Watching cutscenes at the inns is not the same and you’ve already been spoiled. I also very occasionally like it to try a new job or skip queue to farm something.

The npcs are so inefficient that I think players who only use trusts would simply not play otherwise so it doesn’t really affect anything. Let them have their fun.

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This is me most of the time. If forced to play with people all the time I'll simply not play. Playing with a Trust also feels like canon for MSQ quests.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Some of these suggestions lol.

- Change everything about the game
- Make it good
- Stop making it bad

I'm sure the devs will get right on it.

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u should include quotes because that is way to vague lol amd actually feels quite annoying how u dismiss genuinly good feedback because of 1 or 2 bad ideas. at least try to contribute ur own. constructive critism makes society function

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

The npcs are so inefficient

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Yep. They sure are. Which suits me fine since I am at least as inefficient as they are, if not more so.

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Originally Posted by Korbei

Did it though? *Thor face*

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

DAWNTRAIL WILL FIX IT!
they were just hyping up new zones, not new content. they delivered absolutley nothing of value in 6.x that wasnt met with more complaints than praise

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I was obviously talking about the MSQ and the story. Not features.

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then put it on a daily route, and add that route to the dutyfinder info. they do it with frontline maps, they can do it with dn. alternitivley. add normal criterion to the duty finder for 90 dungeons

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They could. I don't really know why they decided to put it in its own User Interface, but maybe they want it "out of the way" of the "casual player" so that they can make the content in V&C as hard as they like.

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cant say for sure how hard it is to scale content up, but it cant be that bad. just put the 1s we HAVE had on the cycle at the very least

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I feel like they could just sync us to minimum item level, or use the document players came up with for arranging gear to do old content at level 90, but for whatever reason, probably quality concerns, they do it like this.

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will do absolutley nothing to improve it. even getting to other islands has to many loops

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Still no point getting rid of them, even if they aren't good.

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TRUST
they also thought genderlocking was a good buisness decision and player backlash is changing that. theyre not allways right because "it makes money" the solo content kills the game

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This is just not the sort of business decision they will change. It's more like a company decision, not a development team decision, because the company as a whole sees value in people being able play all the final fantasy games instead of just certain ones.

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the fates hardly ever pop, are set to 90 only zones and are completly redundant after 3 kills. some kind of massive server boss with a new reward system would be far superior to fates because players would have reasons to enrage with the zone. runescape did that great with random events spawnning bosses like evil tree

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S ranks aren't but they do die quickly when item levels reach a certain point, so they could have more powerful bosses that always sync, sure.

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rewards
well, this 1 is hard for me, because idk what people want.

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In that case, they usually give a variety of different rewards from mounts, to glamour, to rewards you can sell for gil, so I think they are fine in this area.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

To kaynide: So, in essence, rewrite the whole game and make it something closer to, um, Gear Wars 2 and Final Fantasy 11?

Not sure that the Japanese play checkers. They have something called Shogi, though.

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The engine behind the game, yes; not "the whole game".

When you add "Chocobo RACING" and it's really, essentially, Temple Run with 4-5 "lanes" you run in, it's not racing.

I'm living in Japan, they are aware of Checkers. But they prefer Othello(Reversi?in USA)

GW example races:
This is a solo time trial
A group of Raptor-riders racing (Raptors are a bit slower/easier for newbies)

GW Example jump puzzles

More incentive to go and run around in the open world. I really liked how bicolor gemstones got me into doing random Fates, even at max level. Because there was actual incentive to do it besides exp and grand company cash.

I'd love to see more things like that in the open world to get more players to come out of the city hubs and actually explore the zones.

Hamelt Defense and essentially giving out reward points that can be exchanged for rare items and such for maintaining zones from devolving into dangerous hazard zones would make for a nice change to the open world and help it feel more alive.

Part of me feels like we can make all the suggestions we want, but SE will just ignore it all then add the auto battle and auto repeat settings buttons you find on alot of mobile games so ppl can just watch the game play itself...