MNK 50 Gear

Could someone review my gearset and give me some tips or pointers? I've been 50 for only about a week, so I'm not entirely sure how I'm stacking up against other MNKs.

I've been doing (what I think is) excellent damage and I've had no complaint's from any groups, but I want to be sure I can't be making my set better.

Note: Darklight is currently out of the question.

My setup:

Flame Sergeant's Patas
Flame Sergeant's Tabard
Flame Sergeant's Sash
Flame Sergeant's Hose (Now that I have the set bonus without these, should I go back to AF legs?)
Explorer's Moccasins
Fingerless Raptorskin Gloves of Slaying (Double melded for + 51 Attack Power)
Flame Sergeant's Circlet (Still testing vs AF headpiece)
Peach Blossom earring
Electrum Gorget (Planning to replace with Explorer's Gorget)
Rubelite Bracelets
Flame Sergeant's Ring
Explorer's Ring

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

Mnk is more about constant damage instead of spike crit damage from what I understand. Try replacing some of that crit rate gear with something that adds to your constant damage. Mnk AF boots work just fine.
And take this advice with some salt, I'm no Mnk expert.

Well, as I said, I'm unsure of what kind of numbers other MNKs get. But 2000+ critical Howling Fists sound really, really nice. If that's the average, then I can probably start changing out the Crit gear, but my main damage hasn't really suffered as far as I can tell. My average hand to hand damage is about 190 per fist.

Aim for min of str350 then int to 310 then add attack afterwards. Adding constant damage wont do as good as adding WS damage since 70% of our damage comes from WS alone.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Well, as I said, I'm unsure of what kind of numbers other MNKs get. But 2000+ critical Howling Fists sound really, really nice. If that's the average, then I can probably start changing out the Crit gear, but my main damage hasn't really suffered as far as I can tell. My average hand to hand damage is about 190 per fist.

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Well you can get a crit on howling fist every time with blindside, so crit rates don't do much for mnk. Adding to your non-crit is more of a priority than adding to your crit rate.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Adding constant damage wont do as good as adding WS damage since 70% of our damage comes from WS alone.

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You misunderstand what I said >_< constant damage as in non-crit hits. Not AA vs WS damage.

Luckily for you, you're one of the Flames and we get a really nice amount of gear for MNK. Enough that I have a lot of options on what to wear in order to activate the Flame Lieutenant H2H set bonus. As Signore Chard mentioned, you should be aiming for STR and INT before worrying about any Attack+, unless of course you can't get any STR or INT at all in that slot.

Just from company gear, I can recommend picking up Flame Lieutenant's Jamadhars, Flame Sergeant's Bracelets, and possibly Flame Sergeant's Earring.

The Jamadhars are absolutely amazing and since so many pieces of Flames gear are great for MNK you can get their set bonus activated easily. Get them ASAP because they are easily accessible and really strong. The Bracelets have INT+7 with the set bonus, which is more than even +1 Zircon Bracelets (they only have +4) and it contributes to your set bonus. The Flame Earrings set bonus is 30 hp, which is IMO better than -1 enmity but more importantly most earring stats are inconsequential so you can sacrifice that slot solely towards activating set bonuses.

Round these pieces out with the Sash and Tabard you already have and you can activate the bonuses on all of these items.

For a head piece, the AF is actually really good and is what you should be using unless you can get a double melded int+ headpiece. Although getting under 75% hp for the Circlet isn't too bad, it can be dangerous and speaking as a WHM it is tough to leave people at specific HP% just due to the nature of some skills.

Aside from that, yes you should go back to AF legs. They are perfectly fine and the stats are great until you can get your hands on some double melded STR legs. I'd also recommend the AF feet as well as they have INT alongside their attack power bonus that will increase your damage slightly more than the strait Attack+5 on the Explorer's feet. Explorer's does have Crit rate bonuses but as was mentioned, you can easily force crits with Blindside so it's not as necessary and you might end up riding the hate line as it is.

Focusing on your getting your STR up, you should get ahold of Rubelite Rings instead of the two you have (although Flames one will be fine and you can forgo getting the Flames Earrings if you use it). You can try for STR+ Gloves as well, but keep in mind that you will need to get over 34 STR on your gloves in order to beat your current gloves.

Why people think INT is better for MNK than Attack power is beyond me. Wasn't is every 4 INT was equal to 1 attack power? Just makes more sense to add attack power instead.


EDIT: I was given incorrect information, don't have an anurism.

Because they are MNKs WS anand AA modifier, beside there srent really spots where you need to cchoose INT over attack, INT is usuallly at slot where attack isnt applicable.

INT doesn't translate to ATK power. INT exists as its own modifier in damage calculations. I am curious as to where you got this 4:1 ratio.

The community's findings on combat calculations indicate the most effective way to increase damage point-for-point is first STR, then the secondary stat (INT, in MNK's case) then ATK. For best results, cap STR for your weapon, then INT for your weapon, then acquire as much ATK as you can handle--in that order.

However, these findings are dated and do not consider the changes to critical hit rate/attack power. Not that I mean to imply compromising core stats for crits is the right way to go, but it adds extra contention to the head and feet slots for MNK.

To OP:
The current itemization precludes MNK from getting any use out of ATK-melded gloves. It hurts, I know--I'm in the same boat. The slots with the largest STR options are your hands and fingers; you'll fill the gap to cap with body and legs. Any excess STR will free up accessories for INT, ACC, or ATK, but your hands will be cursed with STR for the foreseeable future.

If you have the dosh, or frequently hamlet, the militia earring is a valuable piece for an otherwise junk slot.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Why people think INT is better for MNK than Attack power is beyond me. Wasn't is every 4 INT was equal to 1 attack power? Just makes more sense to add attack power instead.

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Do you bother to read test results at all, seems like you just post stuff you think up or dream about. Every post I have ever seen from you regarding stats and damage is wrong and weakens the community’s understanding of damage calculations. Please quit misinforming the community with your ignorance. Damage wise 1 INT is about equal to 2 ATK as far as WS damage is concerned till it caps out. Also it modifies how potent Blindside is further adding to its benefits.

Drex, I lol'd

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Originally Posted by Drexel

Do you bother to read test results at all, seems like you just post stuff you think up or dream about. Every post I have ever seen from you regarding stats and damage is wrong and weakens the community’s understanding of damage calculations. Please quit misinforming the community with your ignorance. Damage wise 1 INT is about equal to 2 ATK as far as WS damage is concerned till it caps out. Also it modifies how potent Blindside is further adding to its benefits.

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Lol, how many times would this be? I hardly ever post in regards to stats.

Btw, you sound pretty mad. You gonna be ok there?

So how do ppl go about capping INT on mnk? If i got the DL Corselet i could cap my str, but int would still be pretty far off.

Meld INT to the head, then fill out the rest with food and accessories.

Monk is arguably the hardest job to cap out. I personally have 3 tripple melds to accomplish this. I have a 50 INT Raptor skin pot helm, a 48 STR set of Fingerless Raptorskin gloves of slaying and some Felt Trousers with 27 STR on them. Right now I actually use an INT bracelet, the explorers ring and a STR ring, with food I cap out current weapons although when I get relics I will have to use another STR ring as caps will most likely go up to 362:316 ish, idk need to test it once I get it. I know a few of our monks that have the Corselet have the same leg and hand triple melds but use the DL eyepatch and all INT accessories which gets them to the 350 STR and 310 INT mark.

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Originally Posted by Drexel

Monk is arguably the hardest job to cap out. I personally have 3 tripple melds to accomplish this. I have a 50 INT Raptor skin pot helm, a 48 STR set of Fingerless Raptorskin gloves of slaying and some Felt Trousers with 27 STR on them. Right now I actually use an INT bracelet, the explorers ring and a STR ring, with food I cap out current weapons although when I get relics I will have to use another STR ring as caps will most likely go up to 362:316 ish, idk need to test it once I get it. I know a few of our monks that have the Corselet have the same leg and hand triple melds but use the DL eyepatch and all INT accessories which gets them to the 350 STR and 310 INT mark.

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Isn't that cap for ifrit's claws? Aren't Garuda's talons caps like 360 str, 320 int? o.O

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Originally Posted by ShadowCadja

Isn't that cap for ifrit's claws? Aren't Garuda's talons caps like 360 str, 320 int? o.O

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Yes those are the caps for Ifrit's claws, Garuda's talons are higher but I don’t think by that much with respect to INT at least, not sure where you heard that. Based on what we know about stat caps at various DPS values I can estimate it though. I do not claim this is exactly accurate by any means as I don’t believe the stat caps reported are accurate down to the integer. However if 39.7 DPS Ifrit’s claws have stat caps of 350:310 and the 36.74 DPS Ifrit’s bow has stat caps of 330:300 assuming like everything else in this game stat caps go up in a liner fashion you can draw the conclusion that a 1 DPS increase raises stat caps by 6.666:3.333. Thus Garuda’s Talons would have stat caps of 359:315 rounding to the nearest integer. That being said I’m not totally convinced those are the true stat caps for each weapon and thus not convinced about the above Garuda’s Talons prediction. I will however be testing the Monk Relic as soon as I get it which depending how Ifrit Extreme goes should be this weekend. I’ll report my findings as soon as I am comfortable with them.

Just wanted to mention there's a gc officer's hat for flames that has 40 Int with sanction. It's another option to consider as an upgrade over AF.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Lol, how many times would this be? I hardly ever post in regards to stats.

Btw, you sound pretty mad. You gonna be ok there?

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LOL amy neudaiz giving terrible advice about stats/gear ? That never happens...

Think my semi ghetto cap setup without darklight is:

Double melded int hat +36 int
Triple melded gloves +50 str
Flame Sergeants Tabard +10 str
Flame Sergeants Sash
Flame Sergeants Bracelets +7 int
Double melded Felt Trousers +19 vit +21 str
Rubelite Ring +1 18 str
Zircon Ring +1 18 int

Main problem is accuracy isn't that great for certain fights. With a triple meld hat you can swap in an acc ring which would help. This is also assuming you have access to GC gear from Uldah.

I take the opportunity of this thread cause today i got the Giantsgall claws, that i melded with a +18 str materia.
I was wondering if it could be a better choice than ifrit's claw ?
These giantsgall have 1less base dmg and -0.3 dps, but they give 5 int 18 str (and acc+10), and that could help me reaching the cap :x

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Originally Posted by Neomy

I take the opportunity of this thread cause today i got the Giantsgall claws, that i melded with a +18 str materia.
I was wondering if it could be a better choice than ifrit's claw ?
These giantsgall have 1less base dmg and -0.3 dps, but they give 5 int 18 str (and acc+10), and that could help me reaching the cap :x

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Q1hHUEE#gid=23

Put in your claws, ifrit, your base stats and compare

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

LOL amy neudaiz giving terrible advice about stats/gear ? That never happens...

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I just find it irritating that people always do the same things and never really go out to even use anything different in a game where stats aren't really that important.

Am I a bad player for wanting that? No.
But I'm done offering any advice that isn't "cap these 2 stats herpa derp" since the community here thinks anything other than that is borderline retarded.


And yes, I was wrong about some stats but I stopped paying attention to that before jobs even came out.

Just wanted to say any MNKs from Ul'dah, the Lieutenant hat gives +40 INT which is extremely nice as you don't have to worry about a double/triple INT meld. The downside is that it is Sanction-based but I've gotten used to getting it before I leave town. You can get it at any city now or buy the sanction scroll.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I just find it irritating that people always do the same things and never really go out to even use anything different in a game where stats aren't really that important.

Am I a bad player for wanting that? No.

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We've demonstrated INT, until capped, is better than ATK as far as damage is concerned. If you're suggesting that's incorrect and we should be exploring something else, this is as good a thread as any to share your findings.

Or you could be one of those unique snowflakes who thinks following the rules of the game is too conformist and you'll wear whatever you want, whenever you want, because "stats don't matter" and "being different" is more important than playing well.

In which case, yes, you are a bad player. Please don't be that snowflake. :(

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

We've demonstrated INT, until capped, is better than ATK as far as damage is concerned. If you're suggesting that's incorrect and we should be exploring something else, this is as good a thread as any to share your findings.

Or you could be one of those unique snowflakes who thinks following the rules of the game is too conformist and you'll wear whatever you want, whenever you want, because "stats don't matter" and "being different" is more important than playing well.

In which case, yes, you are a bad player. Please don't be that snowflake. :(

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I'm not making the argument that ATK is better than INT. My first comment on that was misinformation and I've already admitted that.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Q1hHUEE#gid=23

Put in your claws, ifrit, your base stats and compare

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This, this is what the sheet should be used for. Not much else. I see the sheet's spread to all the main melee forums now. :/

Well, i'm not going to triple meld an INT head when i already have DL eyepatch. With my current setup i get 351 str and 300 int with food.

DL eye 20INT
Serpent Officer body 10STR 10INT
AF legs 10STR 3INT
AF feet 3INT
Triple STR+50 gloves.
2 HQ Str Rings 36STR
HQ INT bracelets 4INT
Eft steak for the extra 7INT

Now, i could swap out the AF legs with a double meld INT leg but it would have to be +20. I would also lose 10 STR that would have to be made up. However, food could make up 7 of that, leaving me at 310 INT and 348 STR. Worth it?

Keep in mind that i also want to get the DL Caligae at some point, which would be 3 more int lost from AF boots.

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Originally Posted by Riv

Now, i could swap out the AF legs with a double meld INT leg but it would have to be +20. I would also lose 10 STR that would have to be made up.

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You can also pick up int elsewhere. Since you're Grid GC, the Jackboots have 10 int, the belt has 3, and the earring has 4. That'll put you up a good bit.

Ooo i never looked into the other GC stuff.