Are you here because you hate WoW or love FF14

Why is it that so many people who defend FF14 non-stop don't actually like FF14, they just hate WoW

I have never played WoW, and Blizzard sucks.

Lol, you'd have to pay me to touch a Blizzard game.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Dumb post. There are 1000s of other games you can choose to play. No one is forced to be here because of their opinion of WoW.

(Never played WoW either).

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Then explain why every other post is about how WoW is so bad here ?

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Real talk is how many forum accounts does that person have? I'm assuming at the very least to circumvent the daily post limit.

I see WeebPolice / SophiaDL / FenyxRising / RosaliaDLB / Shinkuno are the same person.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

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Real talk is how many forum accounts does that person have? I'm assuming at the very least to circumvent the daily post limit.

I see WeebPolice / SophiaDL / FenyxRising are the same person.

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Yes clearly everyone is Titanmen, including you. You are also WeebPolice and FenyxRising.

See how that works ? I can make ridiculous statements too.

Is this the titanman everyone speak of?

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Why is it that so many people who defend FF14 non-stop don't actually like FF14, they just hate WoW

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In all honesty tho, I do enjoy FFXIV quite a bit. It's got its flaws but it still provides good fun from time to time. I haven't touched wow since MoP. The game just changed too much for me.

Played both. Love both for different reasons. Yes it's possible to love both.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

Is this the titanman everyone speak of?

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What is this bush league GIF file? You gotta increase the size of that.

Me trying to see that thing:
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Originally Posted by Renalt

Played both. Love both for different reasons. Yes it's possible to love both.

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Best Comment Here.
Play what games you like, every game has its Pro and Cons.
Theres nothing to Defend, I simply like the game more then WoW. I pay to play it, because I enjoy it.

I been playing since 2013 long before the wow exodus and enjoyed and played the series since the original ff77 came out and still enjoy aspects of ff14. But i also enjoy playing other games on the side as well.

I am here because I love Final Fantasy, I'm not a massive fan of what Yoship has done to Final Fantasy these past years. I understand why he is doing what he is doing, I miss when Final Fantasy had complexity, I miss farming for the right things to steal. I get a lot of newer Final Fantasy fans do love Yoshi and all these changes are for modern MMO/games However I think modern gaming has become a horrible experience not about skill in gaming, but all flashy sets dumbing down combat.. I wish they would return to how they use to design games, I don't like this modernization, I personally don't think its good for gamers or society in general. I believe that it encourages staying stupid and not learning and adapting, not archiving reading skills. Doesn't encourage going from noob- to pro ladder, which makes long-term gaming extremely fun. This new philosophy in gaming I personally in my opinion is horrible not just for gaming, but also for the gamers. Game makers be it Blizzard or Square Enix Don't seem to understand that we are supposed to struggle to overcome the struggle and work our way up to being as good as we can. No game makers anymore make games good at all, the last really good game came out over 12 years ago. Games since then, have been about hand holding, and handouts they want you to feel a momently joy that will fade as time passes. I disagree with that philosophy Everything should start at a maximum level 50, We should have tons of skills and grow and adapt and learn what ones works for US, not a brainless easy 1-5 combo that every class follows. Also, I'm not even excited for Jobs Final Fantasy may add any more. In Stormblood we had the best and most amazing fun job in AST, but they ruined what made it fun with the old card system. Both Blizzard and SE seem to be anti-fun companies, I know when they add the new jobs they will disappoint me again just like they have every expansion. However I would like thank SE for teaching me to never be hopeful and excited for future jobs and job changes. If I'm being honest I mostly play out of loyalty to the final fantasy series, I do dislike what has become of gaming so much.

I loved WoW until it became something very different from the game I loved. It took me awhile but I simply realized I wasn't having fun anymore. So I took my happy memories and moved on. I don't actually hate WoW. If you hate you are still bound to the thing you hate. It was when I hit total indifference towards it that I knew it was time to go.

I do love FFXIV and am enjoying the heck out of it. Even so I always play multiple games at once. Usualy 1 MMORPG and several in the survival genre.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

Real talk is how many forum accounts does that person have? I'm assuming at the very least to circumvent the daily post limit.

I see WeebPolice / SophiaDL / FenyxRising are the same person.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yes clearly everyone is Titanmen, including you. You are also WeebPolice and FenyxRising.

See how that works ? I can make ridiculous statements too.

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That's a very cool and legal non-answer deflection you've got there.

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I played from vanilla beta to the end of Wrath, then would periodically try to come back only to find the game getting worse and worse. For a long time I would have said WoW was irredeemable garbage, but I picked up the Dragonflight expansion on sale a month or so ago and now I would say it's alright but just not my cup of tea.

WoW certainly has its strengths. I much prefer the world being one huge zone and WoW zones have so much more detail and personality than FFXIV (although that appears to finally be addressed in Dawntrail). The playable race variety is light years beyond FFXIV as well. But overall running around in Dragonflight definitely cemented that I much prefer FFXIV, especially when it comes to the combat. WoW classes aren't pruned to nothing like they were for a long time which is great but they're still pretty dull to play compared to FFXIV.

Also they ruined my tauren resto shaman alt's casting animations which I can never forgive. :mad:

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Why is it that so many people who defend FF14 non-stop don't actually like FF14, they just hate WoW

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Well thats a blinkered take if ever I read one.

I first started playing WoW around the time of BC, but did not get into it until WotLK. From then on I was a regular player until, must be the start of Warlords? I have no hate for it though, I just prefer FFXIV in terms of gameplay and in particular lore. I can see why people still enjoy WoW, its a vibrant world thats fun to play and explore, and I actually love the lore too… its just the game itself did not really put it as a priority haha. Too much is put in outside media for my liking, not to mention the direction it took some of my fav characters. Still, who am I to judge peoples preferences? Most media is subjective anyway.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Played both. Love both for different reasons. Yes it's possible to love both.

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Yeah, this is about where I sit. WoW was my first MMORPG and I played it for years. It was a great time, especially because all my friends played too. Then they all quit sometime during Cataclysm. Mists of Pandaria didn't exactly look great to me, so I quit as well. I went back and fooled around in WoW a few times since then, but it never lasted very long. I'm not sure how I feel about their "timewalking" mechanic, where you can basically skip around expansions and level in whatever content you want. It sounds good on paper, but it makes me feel like nothing I'm doing is even "real" and that my character doesn't really have a journey. It's just a method to get xp and level up before abandoning it all and moving on to the current expac.

I prefer FFXIV way more than WoW currently, especially in terms of the story, characters, setting, etc. But, there are other things I think WoW does better, like classes that have specializations within them, and talent trees. I'm also just an alt-oholic who likes to have lots of characters, which doesn't really work in FFXIV.

Was working and pulling 12 hour days after I got home. 2013 was still Legion which I enjoyed.

Got to BFA , one day realised I was logging in for the sake of sunk cost. Looked at the pitch black sky we had to put up with on OCE servers because Blizzard doesnt know what "the rest of the world that isnt America" means, contacted a friend and rolled Vel as an Arcanist, starting in Limsa.

She knew of my...dissatisfaction, I had logged in when it was night time in Limsa, bitched at my friend that this was more of the same.

They said..wait ten minutes. So I did.

What sold me on FF 14?

THIS DID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs

A bright, blazing sun under an endless azure sky. From there, I never looked back. FF 14 is what WOW could have been, if the devs werent so damned lazy and utterly stupid.

( And before the usual suspects chime in with their one line snark, atmosphere and environment in a game matters as much as gameplay does.)

BFA, eh? You could have just said "a turtle made it to the water" PTSD.

If you know, I'm sorry that you know.

I do agree FFXIV is much higher quality. I can see the polish, to the point even if I don't like some parts, I can respect it.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Was working and pulling 12 hour days after I got home. 2013 was still Legion which I enjoyed.

Got to BFA , one day realised I was logging in for the sake of sunk cost. Looked at the pitch black sky we had to put up with on OCE servers because Blizzard doesnt know what "the rest of the world that isnt America" means, contacted a friend and rolled Vel as an Arcanist, starting in Limsa.

She knew of my...dissatisfaction, I had logged in when it was night time in Limsa, bitched at my friend that this was more of the same.

They said..wait ten minutes. So I did.

What sold me on FF 14?

THIS DID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs

A bright, blazing sun under an endless azure sky. From there, I never looked back. FF 14 is what WOW could have been, if the devs werent so damned lazy and utterly stupid.

( And before the usual suspects chime in with their one line snark, atmosphere and environment in a game matters as much as gameplay does.)

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so are you here just because you hate wow or ... ?

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

so are you here just because you hate wow or ... ?

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Because people are free to try other games and they might have noticed the higher quality FFXIV is designed with.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

BFA, eh? You could have just said "a turtle made it to the water" PTSD.

If you know, I'm sorry that you know.

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Dont. Get. Me. Started.

BFA was a horrid mess, what got me absolutely infuriated was this.

In Legion, we had been handed an artifact weapon.

My Fire Mage was carrying the blade of Dath'Remar for Gods sake, an ancient weapon owned by a hero of absolute legend, revered by the Blood Elves. Thousands of years old.

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Dath'Remar was crowned the first High King of Quel'Thalas and though he did not rule, the king retained a modicum of political power. It is rumored that Dath'Remar's signature weapon was the sword Felo'melorn, also known as Flamestrike, which became an heirloom of the Sunstrider Dynasty and has been wielded by his descendants to the last of the Sunstriders, Prince Kael'thas. He also wielded the Sunstrider's Longbow.

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Think about it, we had custody of a weapon that should have been treated with reverence and absolute respect. What did we do after Legion ended?

Drained it of power and then tossed it into a bank slot.

I am surprised that there wasnt a photo of my character with the words:

WANTED: DEAD

For sacrilege, desecration and crimes against the people of Sunstrider Isle.

5 MILLION GOLD to the Blood Elf who brings this traitors head to Quel'Thalas.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

Because people are free to try other games and they might have noticed the higher quality FFXIV is designed with.

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Ive said it before, a lot of game devs and designers could do worse than follow FF 14s lead in many areas.

ive been here since 2.0, just love final fantasy overall
i do play wow as well tho

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Was working and pulling 12 hour days after I got home. 2013 was still Legion which I enjoyed.

Got to BFA , one day realised I was logging in for the sake of sunk cost. Looked at the pitch black sky we had to put up with on OCE servers because Blizzard doesnt know what "the rest of the world that isnt America" means, contacted a friend and rolled Vel as an Arcanist, starting in Limsa.

She knew of my...dissatisfaction, I had logged in when it was night time in Limsa, bitched at my friend that this was more of the same.

They said..wait ten minutes. So I did.

What sold me on FF 14?

THIS DID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs

A bright, blazing sun under an endless azure sky. From there, I never looked back. FF 14 is what WOW could have been, if the devs werent so damned lazy and utterly stupid.

( And before the usual suspects chime in with their one line snark, atmosphere and environment in a game matters as much as gameplay does.)

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Vel you were in Pandaria. Legion was much later than that.

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Vel you were in Pandaria. Legion was much later than that.

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Wait. yeah you are right. WOD was 2015. I made an acct back then but didnt come into the game till 2019.

Good catch.

I quit WoW 3 years ago.
I dont hate WoW, i just dont care or think about it.

I found FFXIV
It respect my limited time
So here i am.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Played both. Love both for different reasons. Yes it's possible to love both.

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Here I am with a sub to both games...

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Was working and pulling 12 hour days after I got home. 2013 was still Legion which I enjoyed.

Got to BFA , one day realised I was logging in for the sake of sunk cost. Looked at the pitch black sky we had to put up with on OCE servers because Blizzard doesnt know what "the rest of the world that isnt America" means, contacted a friend and rolled Vel as an Arcanist, starting in Limsa.

She knew of my...dissatisfaction, I had logged in when it was night time in Limsa, bitched at my friend that this was more of the same.

They said..wait ten minutes. So I did.

What sold me on FF 14?

THIS DID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs

A bright, blazing sun under an endless azure sky. From there, I never looked back. FF 14 is what WOW could have been, if the devs werent so damned lazy and utterly stupid.

( And before the usual suspects chime in with their one line snark, atmosphere and environment in a game matters as much as gameplay does.)

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It does matter, and great post. I too left WoW a few years back and will never return. I love Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by Daddyslittlevampire

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Lmao, citizens, this post looks eerily similar to the vampire princess from a while ago. Gaius has truly returned.




The winds guide you.

I've never played WoW before, but I joined FFXIV in post Shadowbringers almost a year before the exodus of WoW players happened. As for WoW itself; I actually had to go out of my way to watch WoW content creators talk about the huge issues over there, and how FFXIV was inspired by some of WoW's fight designs to understand what these conversations/rants were about. Needless to say; I don't have anything against that game, but I understand why its community is unhappy with it, or more so with the corporation it was designed under.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Why is it that so many people who defend FF14 non-stop don't actually like FF14, they just hate WoW

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What are you talking about? Most of the people that defend FFXIV non-stop do so because they love FFXIV. They don't tend to even bring up WoW, the people that hate FFXIV bring up WoW then the people that love FFXIV counter with how FFXIV is better to them.

For my part, I actually like/love FF14. I'm sorry you don't, but if you like WoW better, you can...you know...go play it?

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Aug 2023 creation date, 26 posts......hm...

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Oh, to answer on my feelings towards WoW?

Indifferent.

I don't hate WoW.
I don't hate what it's become.
I don't hate it relative to some ideal of what it's potential could be.

I don't have any strong feelings for or against it at all. That was why I left it. I became utterly indifferent. That was what told me it was time to move on, and I was playing FFXIV at the time and really enjoying it, and still do, so here I am. :)

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Why is it that so many people who defend FF14 non-stop don't actually like FF14, they just hate WoW

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That's a weird take. Who's defending FFXIV at the same time they hate it?

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Then explain why every other post is about how WoW is so bad here ?

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My guess is because you engage in selective reading and ignore the majority of the posts that don't mention WoW.

It's because it's someone multi-tooning the forums baiting and flaming for reacts.

They were baiting me a couple days and I didn't know to be careful with my own opinions. Scrolling around it appears the serial forum troll others have complained about is "back" so to speak.

The catgirls, bro. I’m just here for the catgirls.

I can't believe I didn't mention this in my first post, but when Guild Wars 2 first came out it was absolutely revolutionary and upturned a lot of traditional MMORPG conventions. It dumped the "holy trinity" (Tank, Healer, DPS), featured dynamic action combat rather than stand still and press a pre-planned button rotation, a heavy focus on open-world adventuring and truly rewarding exploration, it abandoned the traditional concept of "quests," and it encouraged a truly cooperative play style where everyone was on the same team during events and world bosses, you couldn't "steal" kills or resources, your skill effects can "combo" with other players' to trigger damage bursts and buffs, etc. It was like no game on the market, and I was completely in love. Still am, it's an incredible game and truly unique.

I was completely convinced that WoW and that whole style of "tab-target holy trinity MMO" was outdated and I never wanted to play those ever again.

When FFXIV: A Realm Reborn came out, I decided to give it a shot. Not as an MMO fan, but as a lifelong Final Fantasy nut. Admittedly, the "tab-target holy trinity" combat system didn't really appeal to me at first, I was just tolerating it to play a Final Fantasy game and do the story. I wished FFXIV had action combat like GW2, I wanted to be able to do a dodge roll to avoid real-time AoEs, I thought FATEs were really poor imitations of GW2's "dynamic events" (well, they are I guess), and the jumping controls were garbage (okay, they are). It was sort of like playing a "Final Fantasy-flavoured WoW clone."

My first character, I rolled a Conjurer, not realizing it was a healer role (there was no way to know at the time, it just seemed like a mage). I was pseudo-forced into a healing role for a lot of WoW, and I hated it. I felt like I was just standing in the corner watching everyone else play the game. When I found out Conjurer was a healer, I switched classes to Arcanist (original arcanist at launch was THE BEST CLASS btw, I could tank/heal/dps all at once). Eventually, the queue times for dungeons as a DPS job were trying my patience. I remember one time waiting over 75 minutes for a required MSQ dungeon to pop and I was seriously considering quitting the game. I heard that healer queues were much faster, so reluctantly I went back to Conjurer and gave it one last chance. For whatever reason, I LOVED it. Maybe because I understood MMOs a lot better than I did back in my WoW days. From then on healing has been the #1 thing I always want to do in any new game, and I gained a newfound appreciation for the old school "tab-target, holy trinity" style of MMO that makes such a role even possible in the first place.

The few times I went back and played a bit of WoW over the years, I played a Restoration Druid and had a great time with it.

TL,DR: Loved WoW, GW2 happened and made me kinda hate WoW for a bit, FFXIV happened and made me reappreciate WoW again.

I play both FFXIV and WoW. I criticize and defend both games.

I never have played WOW and don't ever care to. I came during 1.0 beta because the game looked so gorgeous.