No more Island Sanctuary

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

Depends if they intent to actually develop on it, rather than just copying and pasting. A lot of systems in this game have gone through several iterations before they've managed to create something even remotely substantial.

If I had my way with it, I would continue it, but I would give people option to craft their own items for submission to earn Cowries, rather than gating the majority of it behind the workshop and weekly challenge log. I would also include treasure hunts, both for solo and grouped with additional rewards, and include an exclusive sightseeing log for it. Just to name a few examples.

It's not a bad foundation, but it could have been so much more and still has the potential to be such, IMO.

I don’t see anywhere near the potential in IS that I saw in diadem 1.0

Diadem 1.0 was terrible but you could really see the potential it had, which got refined in eureka and Bozja

IS feels like they can’t really do anything with it other than adding what would basically amount to custom deliveries or battle content in which case it’s basically just another eureka and not really the farming sim they sold it as

Each to their own.

I enjoy it. It's a nice distraction from running back-to-back 'battle' content all the time - something we can do at our own pace, in our own time.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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Nah, I love my island. Give me more stuff on it and more pasture space for my menagerie.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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I like it.

My main issue with it for me is that you cannot teleport directly to it. That's why I kinda stopped going.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

I like it.

My main issue with it for me is that you cannot teleport directly to it. That's why I kinda stopped going.

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Yeah - that is one setback. Teleporting to Moraby Drydock to travel across is a bit of a nuisance. Though I guess they can't put an Aetheryte on the island due to the instanced nature of them.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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I don't recall them saying anything about continuing it in 7.0. If anything, their 6.5 plans for it sound like a conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't recall them saying anything about continuing it in 7.0. If anything, their 6.5 plans for it sound like a conclusion.

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They did mention at fan fest (IIRC) that 7.0 will have an island like feature. Not the same island though.

I'm all for more IS type content.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

They did mention at fan fest (IIRC) that 7.0 will have an island like feature. Not the same island though.

I'm all for more IS type content.

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IS-type content isn't the same as IS itself though. Hopefully they'll be reading discussions and taking on board the common remarks about what people dislike with this iteration.

I think the biggest issue with it, is that compared to something like Eureka or Bozja, there is no social interaction, which has made Endwalker lack some of the social interaction we've had in the other expansions. We have hunts and maybe alliance raids this expansion and that's it. The times we get a zone full of people talking in shout chat, such as Bozja, Zadnor, Castrum, Dalriada and DR and even the firmament, there is some social interaction that makes the expansion feel alive, yet we're just all alone in Island Sanctuary.

To add to it there isn't any fighting going on. Ishgard Restoration was actually pretty good, had a lot of participation and the fates made it feel so alive when they happened, without any fighting. But fighting is nice. It is hard to see some of these creatures in Island Sanctuary and not be able to kill them. We could gather meat instead of horns that way.

Problem i have with it, is that there is barely anything to actually do there, and there is nothing you can do with other players. Once it gets updated, you go there every week or two, set up the workshop, and gz, you now get every reward it offers, and you can't lift a finger to help on your own.

if they could add some more activites that wasn't just pointless stuff you do once and never again, it would help. would be also nice if you could help other players with farming and such, idk.

I don't even need to go out and collect stuff, as at least so far, the granaries have always sufficed to get me everything I need, on patch updates.

I like the idea of is, but it's just not fun or engaging

Also. please, its suppose to be a chill paradise, not a labour camp for Tataru's greed

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I think the biggest issue with it, is that compared to something like Eureka or Bozja, there is no social interaction, which has made Endwalker lack some of the social interaction we've had in the other expansions. We have hunts and maybe alliance raids this expansion and that's it. The times we get a zone full of people talking in shout chat, such as Bozja, Zadnor, Castrum, Dalriada and DR and even the firmament, there is some social interaction that makes the expansion feel alive, yet we're just all alone in Island Sanctuary.

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Island Sanctuary is just WoW Garrisons.

You have the resource nodes once a day in the form of the Granary and Pasture, you have the slower resource production in the form of your garden plots, you have the Garrison mission board in the form of the Workshop, you have some pre-fabricated buildings you can put down (there are just even less options than the Garrison had) and you have the nonexistent social interactions.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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I enjoy it immensely and I suspect we'll be getting housing there for 7.0. If they can do 90 slots outside it's not outside the realm of possibly of their doing it inside as well. Look forward to it.

I try to like it, but I find myself logging out and playing another game rather than doing it. That's fine, not all content has to be for me.

If it becomes an alternate form of player housing then the content will be well worth it.

Just the fact that non-house owners will finally be allowed to use their outdoor furnishing alone is a godsend.

They need to keep improving it and developing more

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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Stormblood's side content was amazing though?

Island Sanctuary was ok when it was introduced, but all the patches have fallen really flat. It's just the same old with occasional new cutscenes and rewards that you can pretty much instantly cash out if you have saved some coins.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Stormblood's side content was amazing though?

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Eureka is not amazing imo.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Eureka is not amazing imo.

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Still better than a boring island you never go to except once a week or once every 2 weeks since everything is automatic

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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You may not enjoy it but enough other players are that they wish to continue with this "lifestyle content".

Rather than trying to stop SE from making content for other players just because you don't like it, try letting them know what content you'd like to see in addition to it that you would do.

Retainer island is an insult to game design. 1 man created those farming games and had more depth than a multibillion dollar company.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Depends if they intent to actually develop on it, rather than just copying and pasting. A lot of systems in this game have gone through several iterations before they've managed to create something even remotely substantial.

If I had my way with it, I would continue it, but I would give people option to craft their own items for submission to earn Cowries, rather than gating the majority of it behind the workshop and weekly challenge log. I would also include treasure hunts, both for solo and grouped with additional rewards, and include an exclusive sightseeing log for it. Just to name a few examples.

It's not a bad foundation, but it could have been so much more and still has the potential to be such, IMO.

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This is CBU3 we're talking about here. They don't know how to build on foundations.

Similar to the end goal of the Firmament Restoration was for a new housing district, The IS end goal should be a personal house.
But one of the major flaws is that the IS has been an unengaging spreadsheet that, with the exception of the first week of release to set things up, requires nothing more than a brief weekly visit. It's set it then forget it until next week and You can even go longer without visiting by setting up two weeks worth of orders from the Mammet Sweatshop since you'll still end up at the same place compared to someone who visits their Island multiple times a week for the sake of optimization and getting the rewards as fast as possible.

Should the IS end with an update to give us a personal House? Yes.
Will they actually do it? Who knows
Are there other, smaller updates they could do in the mean time to make the Tataru's Gil Prin...I mean our Personal Haven more appealing until that possibility actually happens? Absolutely
But without something huge to top off the Island after so much dev resources went into an Island that has little to no engagement, it's going to feel like a waste.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Island Sanctuary is just WoW Garrisons.

You have the resource nodes once a day in the form of the Granary and Pasture, you have the slower resource production in the form of your garden plots, you have the Garrison mission board in the form of the Workshop, you have some pre-fabricated buildings you can put down (there are just even less options than the Garrison had) and you have the nonexistent social interactions.

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There are a lot of similarities, but Garrisons were tired to the main story. They also made two gathering professions useless for the expansion. They are also used by the anti-housing faction of the playerbase as "evidence" that housing is bad for the community.

As limited as it is, the Island Sweatshop is a hundred times more customizable than Garrisons.

That said it really fails as a "sanctuary". It's pretty clear that was Tataru's idea. It's a business.

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Originally Posted by Winterfang

Similar to the end goal of the Firmament Restoration was for a new housing district, The IS end goal should be a personal house.

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The setup for Island Sanctuary is far too uncomfortable for that to become my private house. You arrive at a pretty wild island, rip up all the wilderness and turn it into a town of clanking factories with obnoxious mammets in every facility, and then that becomes your sole option for a house location after you've made it an unpleasant place to live? Thanks but no thanks.

i will say i dont mind island sanctuary i at least liked it more in the beginning but like most repetitive content it gets old fast.

my two complaints are rewards and the fact its alittle underwhelming.

1: rewards: they really need to stop with the whole you and only you can get this stuff from this content and allow us to market board a lot more stuff its the biggest thing that makes content repeatable cause if the only thing i have left to do once i get rank 16 and buy the new mounts/minions/music sheets is repeat the content for funsies there isn't much reason to touch look or care about it anymore.

2: underwhelming: i will cover everything else here atm the best thing added and only recently was the furnishing your island thats great cool but no all the down sides.
why cant i gather at my friends island? is it cause the mats and everything is directly connected to the persons island and thats how its all done? it seems to be and thats well boring i cant play with my friends in the content cause there is no reason at all to join your friends islands besides talking and walking around you cant guest them/tenant you cant do anything in other peoples so the multiplayer part is non existant basically.

your animals and plants can all be automated which is cool but then literally takes out a 1/2 the content to do basically even if its only a couple minutes a day so whats left running around to gather for 10 exp each or when you are capped nothing just get max amount and changed out for a new currency so you can trade for a very cheap materia which isnt worth anything and basically a worse way to farm materia.

the workshop is pretty meh you can basically lazy automate it with a predone week and just come back to restock on mats when needed or you can do it the better way and look every week and pre set it to get more optimized rewards but once again once you get everything you are doing it just to do it or for the 500k cowrie achievement but once again you will get that over time as more updates are given anyways.

once more on the animals catching them is very annoying as the rng for it can be pretty bad and its not like there is any real mechanic to it over all its just wait for the right weather and time and show up and hope you nab it, the exp isnt even great so its not even worth catching and releasing to do something different.

i feel they need to add something bigger to the content that allows it to be more interactive in a fun way that's not just either just up daily for animals/farm/workshop to lvl /farm currency.

i will say the content to me isnt terrible it just ended up super underwhelming.

suggestion to add to the content.

i think they could add ways for islands to interact with each other to make there be more reason to do things like a board for showing off your island that you can do other things with like a small weekly competition that gives small silly stuff for just participating but you can decorate your island and you use the in game like gpose system to take glamour shots and put it up there for everyone to share.

i feel i have other ideas and thoughts but most only add to the problem which is show up daily and do something and i feel it should be more like show up when you what or hang out and do this as you please and not do this daily or miss out over time.

In theory, it's the sort of content I'd ordinarily enjoy if it were possessed of more depth. Yet as it stands, there's just so little to actually engage with. Once again we're stuck navigating menus and waiting around for something to happen or just mindlessly clicking on nodes in order to acquire materials. I was initially quite impressed with the size of the zone but only a portion of it can even be meaningfully altered to one's liking - and even then, you can't dismiss the mammets that cling to everything like barnacles on a fishing pier.

the hype was all because they never dismissed the lie that it was instanced housing, but instead it was 2 hours of grind to never go back, total waste.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The setup for Island Sanctuary is far too uncomfortable for that to become my private house. You arrive at a pretty wild island, rip up all the wilderness and turn it into a town of clanking factories with obnoxious mammets in every facility, and then that becomes your sole option for a house location after you've made it an unpleasant place to live? Thanks but no thanks.

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Same here… although there is a rather large island just off the coast that would be perfect! I wrote a post about it in the housing forum, as a possible location for island-connected instanced housing. No one wants to live with the mammets, and I’m sure most people don’t want their actual house facing a workshop! (In fact, most of the landmark spots could use a rotation feature to aim them at a better direction to get the best views…) And I would definitely like there to be different themes you can choose, because as nice as it is to visit the cozy cabin in the tropics, I wouldn’t want my actual house to be tropical.

Any instanced system should also, bare minimum, give the same basic features of a ward house. But it’s entirely possible that there will be extra things that can only be done in instanced, just because it’s instanced. Just look at the most recent cozy cabin: open-air balconies, see-through glass on the roof, 70 more outdoor furnishings than a small plot. If I could transplant that “cabin” literally anywhere else and decorate the inside as well as the outside, and dye the roof, it’d be almost perfect! There’s so much potential to make something really great here, and I really hope they do. I like to hope they’re using IS as a testing ground for instanced, and that if they do it, it won’t necessarily be bound to the island. But if it is, so be it. At least everyone who gets through Endwalker could have a house no matter how full the wards are on their servers.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Still better than a boring island you never go to except once a week or once every 2 weeks since everything is automatic

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Factually better, but not by a high margin.

This is like going from eating a pile of mashed bugs, to eating a pile of mashed bugs with a little bit of hot sauce on top.

Both are just ugh.

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

the hype was all because they never dismissed the lie that it was instanced housing, but instead it was 2 hours of grind to never go back, total waste.

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Well they said to temper expecations, but even the bare minimum of expectations weren't met with the system.

Its honestly more shallow than old Facebook flash games.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Island Sanctuary is just WoW Garrisons.

You have the resource nodes once a day in the form of the Granary and Pasture, you have the slower resource production in the form of your garden plots, you have the Garrison mission board in the form of the Workshop, you have some pre-fabricated buildings you can put down (there are just even less options than the Garrison had) and you have the nonexistent social interactions.

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Tell me you didn't play WoD without saying you didn't play WoD basically.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Its honestly more shallow than old Facebook flash games.

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lets be real, god forbid, but farmville is killing that island, and probably took a 100th of the dev time and generated infinitely more revenue.

they did what square does lately, they made a great trailer,with nothing behind it, then laughed you bought it..
this company is starting to circle the drain, all it takes is a few more avengers/forspoken over stylized lacking any soul crap.

I enjoy it as a nice place to hang out when I am busy with life’s interruptions.

I hope they continue to invest in it as it is enjoyable.

Granted, I would like some cost reductions, when I see that I need 120+ palm logs for a single week, I tend to let out a little groan.

I am quite content with my island... just because you don't like the content then it is that... not everyone like all the content in this game... be it roulettes... treasuremaps... savage... or whatever

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

This is the worst side content to date since Stormblood. It is boring and shallow. Very disappointed that they intend to make more of this in 7.0.

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These comments are what brings out the ppl who state these forums are filled with complaints and whining.

What’s bad? How can it be changed? What would you do to make it better?

At least make it a constructive discussion.

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

Tell me you didn't play WoD without saying you didn't play WoD basically.

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If you can't see the similarities then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

If you can't see the similarities then I don't know what to tell you.

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Theres one huge critical difference behind garrissons and Island Sanctuary that you missed.





















Its not tied to any power progression so most players who already hated the content can continue to ignore it.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

If you can't see the similarities then I don't know what to tell you.

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I mean I played WoD the entire expansion. The similarities between it and Islands isn't much at all.