I'm gonna be honest about Hrothgar

I thought about switching from a Miqo'te to a Hrothgar, and I almost could deal with the loss of the great Miqo'te animations and emotes.

However, when I went on to create a new character just to see what I can make, it was depressing. You have a grand total of 1 face that doesn't look weird, and maybe 3 hairstyles that look rather okay-ish.

Hair colour is tied to fur colour and fur colour is tied to chosen clan, so if you wanted a certain colour of hair, screw you for choosing the clan you chose! It's like if you were to take miqo'te hair colours and separate them in a way that you only get bright hair colours for moon seekers and dark hair colours for sun seekers.

And this one might just be a personal preference issue, but I find the lack of body customization across all races rather absurd. I like the big cats, but imo they feel too big and bulky, and the fact that I can't tone down the bulkiness is painful.

Bottom line is that Hrothgar character customization is genuinely depressing. Small wonder there aren't many Hroth players. Smaller still that they all look nearly identical.

Idk man, I wanna play a Hroth, but they just lack so much.

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Originally Posted by Folko

and the fact that I can't tone down the bulkiness is painful

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thats the point

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Originally Posted by Koros

thats the point

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I mean, it's not outlandish to desire some level of body customization. Like just have varying levels of bulkiness so you could customize it to be a little less.. bulky.

I like playing beast races, and I can almost deal with the bulkiness even tho I still believe we should be able to customize our characters with a bit more depth, but it's the overall appaling lack of customization that's really holding me back as I stated in the post.

Hrothgar was added in response to players saying they wanted a beast like race to play. Hence why it's so large and bulky.

Which makes me wonder... If we flood the boards for years asking for a cute furry race, will be finally get a tiny race alternative that isn't a demonic potato with teeth?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Hrothgar was added in response to players saying they wanted a beast like race to play. Hence why it's so large and bulky.

Which makes me wonder... If we flood the boards for years asking for a cute furry race, will be finally get a tiny race alternative that isn't a demonic potato with teeth?

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I mean I just want a regular sized furry race lol.
Preferrably I think it'd be beneficial overall if we could chstomize our characters' body types and sizes. In the case of Hrothgar, it would at least give more uniqueness. Hrothgar in general need to see a lot more love from the dev team because like I said, they have practically no customization, which is just sad...

There are TOOONNSSSS of Fantastic looking Hrothgar running around.
And on my Server more then one face or Hairstyle is used.
Im not a PC player, otherwise Id probably have alot of Screenshots I could share of some of the neat and awesome Hrothgar people made. Even back when we had even more limited options then we do now.
Trust me, the CC used to be WAY worse.

But yes, Many Hrothgar Players would like to see more and better options for our Race, Im still of the hope that they are adding more and maybe some much needed fixes.
The Body Customization...sorry thats not gonna happen. But like RitsukoSonoda above said, maybe we could advocate hard enough to get another Beast Race, maybe one more slim, and then a Small one. Id be all for that to give us more Option then "Human #9"

But....idk if you can afford to, id say just give it a shot. Who knows, you might enjoy it despite the bulkiness.
Ultimately its your call, and your money.

If we're going to harp on some of customization limitation of Hrothgar, can we also toss in the really terrible posture, which causes clipping issues that otherwise wouldn't exist, on to the list

They are working on customization revamp already...

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Originally Posted by Folko

I thought about switching from a Miqo'te to a Hrothgar, and I almost could deal with the loss of the great Miqo'te animations and emotes.

However, when I went on to create a new character just to see what I can make, it was depressing. You have a grand total of 1 face that doesn't look weird, and maybe 3 hairstyles that look rather okay-ish.

Hair colour is tied to fur colour and fur colour is tied to chosen clan, so if you wanted a certain colour of hair, screw you for choosing the clan you chose! It's like if you were to take miqo'te hair colours and separate them in a way that you only get bright hair colours for moon seekers and dark hair colours for sun seekers.

And this one might just be a personal preference issue, but I find the lack of body customization across all races rather absurd. I like the big cats, but imo they feel too big and bulky, and the fact that I can't tone down the bulkiness is painful.

Bottom line is that Hrothgar character customization is genuinely depressing. Small wonder there aren't many Hroth players. Smaller still that they all look nearly identical.

Idk man, I wanna play a Hroth, but they just lack so much.

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Yeah it feels like unfinished abandoned race... no haircuts, no helmets.. no face customizations... dude how can someone release this and call this a race.

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Originally Posted by Elissar

They are working on customization revamp already...

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There is no customization revamp.
The graphical rework is all about improving textures, lighting and shaders, they never talked about adding more options to the character creator, as it's a completely different subject.
Character creation options seem to be mostly limited by the backend (there is an upper limit to how much data they can store for each character, and unless they allocate more space for everyone, you wouldn't be able to add new options to Hrothgar like muscle slider or dissociate fur color from hairstyles.) The graphical rework, however, is client-side.

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Originally Posted by Elissar

They are working on customization revamp already...

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Biggest turn off for most ppl with hrothgar is the hunch I think. If they added a straightback option akin to Orcs in wow, I think they would be more popular.

Curious to see how females will be in that regard

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Hrothgar was added in response to players saying they wanted a beast like race to play. Hence why it's so large and bulky.

Which makes me wonder... If we flood the boards for years asking for a cute furry race, will be finally get a tiny race alternative that isn't a demonic potato with teeth?

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My issue is that they're not even that large. Bulky sure, but them being so hunched and the lack of more beastial limbs and making them look more human makes their design feel gimped. I don't understand why they didn't just copy the existing Ronso design from FFX since that's what they're supposed to be based off of.

They should be much taller, have digigrade limbs and also have body options for bulky and athletic builds.

(Also could help if all but 1 of their face types didn't look so derpy)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

My issue is that they're not even that large. Bulky sure, but them being so hunched and the lack of more beastial limbs and making them look more human makes their design feel gimped. I don't understand why they didn't just copy the existing Ronso design from FFX since that's what they're supposed to be based off of.

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Saving cost, mostly. By taking a slightly modified Roegadyn's skeleton they don't have to put as much effort into it making gear work for it (...SOME of the gear), and the midlander skeleton would have had the opposite effect of having them look too small.

Sometimes I wish they weren't so focused on efficiency, but this is expected from game built on averting the 2k polygons plant from 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Yeah it feels like unfinished abandoned race... no haircuts, no helmets.. no face customizations... dude how can someone release this and call this a race.

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They were released as "finished" though. They were never supposed to receive what everyone else had. It's only now that they have started relenting on the stance, by having femhroth on the way, and hairs.

However, one stance on this thread is body customization, as far as I can tell. Like changing proportions, which isn't really a thing - on ANY race. At best, there is Hyur midlander - highlander, and those are quite different from each other. A smaller hrothgar is effectively a new race, in terms of development cost. Not that I am trying to defend SE for the choices that were made in the creation of hrothgar, but an overhaul would likely have to be made to their entire creator to even make different body proportions/sizes a thing.

The level of passion to the Miqo'te race's animation and customization versus other races (outside of maybe lalafells) is so jarring... People assume players just 'like nekos/catgirls/boys' but these small details have been brought up by players on reddit and the forums constantly.
THIS is why the stupid arguments "BuT iT mAkeS the RaCes UniQUE" defending the weird proportions of Elezen, the Hrothgar hunchback, the male Au'ra running animation, the Hyur roboticism, Highlander lack of eyebrows don't work. You can design races to look distinct without intentionally adding some undesirable quirk. And this is why Miqo'te will always be a majority.

I love being a hroth.. my biggest complaints are the hunch, the lack of headgear and that we don't have a dental plan.. some teeth whitening options would be lovely!!!

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Originally Posted by Koros

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/3...0fc0_96x96.jpg

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https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/8...7fc0_96x96.jpg: Nashu, I swear to god.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

Biggest turn off for most ppl with hrothgar is the hunch I think. If they added a straightback option akin to Orcs in wow, I think they would be more popular.

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Agreed, that was the dealbreaker for me when I tried them out. The amount of hunch they have when just standing around is fine, but when running they hunch to almost a 90 degree angle. I couldn't even see my own head over the hunch.

I personally dont find the hunch to be a big deal.
But I do hope the Females dont have it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They were released as "finished" though. They were never supposed to receive what everyone else had. It's only now that they have started relenting on the stance, by having femhroth on the way, and hairs.

However, one stance on this thread is body customization, as far as I can tell. Like changing proportions, which isn't really a thing - on ANY race. At best, there is Hyur midlander - highlander, and those are quite different from each other. A smaller hrothgar is effectively a new race, in terms of development cost. Not that I am trying to defend SE for the choices that were made in the creation of hrothgar, but an overhaul would likely have to be made to their entire creator to even make different body proportions/sizes a thing.

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Yeah I love to play lazy "finished" races

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Originally Posted by Reddyo

Yeah I love to play lazy "finished" races

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It's a matter of semantics, but to SE this was intentional. Anything further were updates. Hrothgar were designed in a way that would pretty much exclude them from easy updates, according to SE, at least. There wasn't any intention in their concept for them to be updated further. Yoshida even supposedly stated at one point, that the promise of hairs was actually a "mistranslation" even.

4 things need to happen with Character Creation/the aesthetician in 7.0 tbh
- Remove the facelock from hrothgar racial styles why in under god did they do something that stupid
- make the hunch a toggle or straight up remove it. god knows the womengar arent gonna hunch, please stop making men be in a permanent posture that warps so many chestgears in this game, not to mention many hairstyles clip THRU the hunch and thats just terrible.
- give highlander eyebrows. "well ala mhigans-" wow who cares theres highlanders with no brows in NORVRANDT theres no need for that
- remove au ra horn-facelock.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The level of passion to the Miqo'te race's animation and customization versus other races (outside of maybe lalafells) is so jarring... People assume players just 'like nekos/catgirls/boys' but these small details have been brought up by players on reddit and the forums constantly.
THIS is why the stupid arguments "BuT iT mAkeS the RaCes UniQUE" defending the weird proportions of Elezen, the Hrothgar hunchback, the male Au'ra running animation, the Hyur roboticism, Highlander lack of eyebrows don't work. You can design races to look distinct without intentionally adding some undesirable quirk. And this is why Miqo'te will always be a majority.

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But none of those things are undesirable.

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Originally Posted by Folko

I'm gonna be honest about Hrothgar

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I too shall be very honest about Hrothgar.

They're quite ugly.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk, and remember: The Bozja incident was no accident. It was a humble Garlean doing god's work.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

But none of those things are undesirable.

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You're right. Players demanded from Yoshi-P that Hrothgar, the race based on the upright standing Ronso, stood and walked with their backs hunched like neanderthals and they demanded they made a roadkill version of Khimari's face as one of the options. People LOOOVE having no eyebrows as highlanders and they also love seeing their male Au'ra move their legs like Marvin the martian when running short distances. And only a "minority" dislikes having their characters with long giraffe necks and tiny heads, that's why Elezen are so popular in the character statistics!

I love it when people go on rants because they don’t understand what they read.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

I love it when people go on rants because they don’t understand what they read.

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I like when people act passive agressive instead of contributing to discussions.

And of course it was a catgirl lol

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

I like when people act passive agressive instead of contributing to discussions.

And of course it was a catgirl lol

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You have lost all touch with reality.

If it wasn’t clear: I support having options. Not just changing things.

I think the bottom line is there's a difference between races having unconventional traits, and having said unconventional traits be half assed because, well, they're unconventional, so lowkey "nobody cares".

• Hunchback on a beast race? makes sense, the problem with Hrothgar hunchback is that it's not a 'beast hunch' it's someone who needs to go to the chiropractic, and don't get me started on the human limbs. Not even claws, really?
  
• Elves with long necks? sure, that's an interesting aesthetic imo, but it doesn't look good when it's accompanied by tiny heads and shoulders that look like they're being pulled apart by invisible chains. Elezen just have a....painful looking posture.
  
• "Hulk" humans must be big, ok, fair...but why are males Roes literally rectangles? their torsos and muscle definition have no curves whatsoever, they're giant Lego people, and female Roes are little more than just a copy+paste+enlarge of female Highlander, not a true 'She-Hulk'
  
• Humans who shave their eyebrows? sure, yeah "because Ala Mhigo"...then how do you explain every non-Ala Mhigan Highlander? Au Ra and even Hrothgar have eyebrows or no eyebrows options, just give dadlanders the options already.
  
• Au Ra horns, Hrothgar face/hair, and Viera ears I'd say are technical limitations, not an intentional aesthetic, so hopefully they'll work on them sometime.

I too am going to be honest and say that Hrothgar are hot.

I love the Ronso in FFX, they're one of my favorite races in any FF game. I wish Hrothgar looked more like them, leaner and less bulky. Though I understand that people adore them as they are (another reason why I wish this game had body type options but I digress). I have a Hrothgar alt and I've grown very attached to him, it's just a shame how limited their customization options are. I want so badly to have the hairstyles from other faces... NPCs already have them and they even (by accident) showed a Hrothgar with the "wrong" hairstyle in a past live letter.

Having one good face isn't an issue exclusive to Hrothgar. I feel like most male characters have that problem. They have one good face, one face that can *kind of* work if you know what you're doing, and two options that are absolutely hideous.

Personally, I would love a thiccness slider on all races so that I could fix my poor character's flat little pancake butt, but I doubt it's ever going to be a thing.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

I too am going to be honest and say that Hrothgar are hot.

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I find them more cute than anything tbh. The first time I saw one, my brain went "oh cool, they're giant teddybears!" and I can't see them as anything else.