Dead Queues For Ranked PVP

So this is my first forum post so if it's in the wrong place I apologize.

I am wondering was SE can do to incentivize ranked play for CC. I was excited when they announced the shiny PVP weapons. I do think there should be rewards for ranked so was fine with this.
The first couple weeks of the patch were fine could get into matches and I climbed to gold and was confident I could make it to Diamond. I left town for a week and come back and have not been able to get into ranked since. every time I queue I sit for 90 minutes and nothing. This also doesn't seem unique to the Primal data center as SE put in there last update they would changes matchmaking in JP due to the current situation.

So the crux of my question what can SE do? Would a ranked match daily help? maybe increased Tomes or EXP for ranked over Casual matches? I think ranked should have rewards tied to it but not if it's impossible to get in and do the content.

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Originally Posted by Blitzer11

So this is my first forum post so if it's in the wrong place I apologize.

I am wondering was SE can do to incentivize ranked play for CC. I was excited when they announced the shiny PVP weapons. I do think there should be rewards for ranked so was fine with this.
The first couple weeks of the patch were fine could get into matches and I climbed to gold and was confident I could make it to Diamond. I left town for a week and come back and have not been able to get into ranked since. every time I queue I sit for 90 minutes and nothing. This also doesn't seem unique to the Primal data center as SE put in there last update they would changes matchmaking in JP due to the current situation.

So the crux of my question what can SE do? Would a ranked match daily help? maybe increased Tomes or EXP for ranked over Casual matches? I think ranked should have rewards tied to it but not if it's impossible to get in and do the content.

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make pvp not shit

also CC is basically like feast, idk if it's your first time but you need to get to at least plat in the first week

there are ways to solve this issue but all of them will piss off some players:

(1) rank decay
(2) much shorter seasons
(3) as you said, more rewards

personally since making pvp not shit is hopeless they should probably try one of those other 3 options.

Ranked decay is 100% the best solution

Ranked to me suffers from two main issues, First the ranking system is horrible, and secondly, the rewards structure and incentive for Ranked PvP sucks. With most of the rewards besides meaningless portraits and plates being out of reach of most people, it's not exactly going to motivate me, or anyone else who casually pvp's to queue into ranked at all. An overhaul to the way ranking works, and adding rewards for achieving lower ranks, (As well as higher ranks, people deserve to flex their accomplishments.) than maybe I and many more people would consider playing for more than one season an expansion.

PVP will never be good in this game until the netcode issues get fixed.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

PVP will never be good in this game until the netcode issues get fixed.

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This, and the reward is an ugly mount. Cool costumes do the trick a lot better I'll be honest SE.....

Anyone here put up their shields just to find out it didnt take but your character did the animation anyways and now you're hovering around the stage in fetal position and no protection? I know its happened to me...

It's basically the same on OCE, the only saving grace is the PVP community discord that organize certain days for PVP queues.

So we do get to PVP, just at set times.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Ranked decay is 100% the best solution

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Rank decay will put more people off than it pulls in. The game's PvP just isn't good enough to get away with that at this time. Now if they un#*&% the PvP first, then rank decay might not be the worst idea in the world to look at in the event there's still an issue with on-going participation.

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Originally Posted by Blitzer11

So this is my first forum post so if it's in the wrong place I apologize.

I am wondering was SE can do to incentivize ranked play for CC. I was excited when they announced the shiny PVP weapons. I do think there should be rewards for ranked so was fine with this.
The first couple weeks of the patch were fine could get into matches and I climbed to gold and was confident I could make it to Diamond. I left town for a week and come back and have not been able to get into ranked since. every time I queue I sit for 90 minutes and nothing. This also doesn't seem unique to the Primal data center as SE put in there last update they would changes matchmaking in JP due to the current situation.

So the crux of my question what can SE do? Would a ranked match daily help? maybe increased Tomes or EXP for ranked over Casual matches? I think ranked should have rewards tied to it but not if it's impossible to get in and do the content.

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I also noticed on primal that ranked que takes forever and only the casual one pops fast.

The easy solution would be to drop the Ranked/Casual separation, but that would require a rework of the ranking system to keep people from getting unneccesarily punished for trying out a new job, or wanting some brainless PvP in the evening.

Current system has massive issues even if the game mode itself is pretty fun.

Most of the Ranked rewards are one and done, so there's very little reason to push it beyond your first season. Only thing that changes is number in your plates, even the titles are the same.
They did add the weapon glow and it brought few new names into the higher ranked matches, but how many Seasons are people going to go for them? Unless they are collector, people will get one or two they like the most wheter its main or alt Jobs.
You also get equal amount of tomes, marks and whatnot from playing Casual so there's even less reason to play Ranked.

Casual pops throughout the day, so there is plenty of players queueing up. Unless they unify the queues or give good enough rewards for all the Ranked seasons, it will remain a short burst for regulars at the early Season and maybe a last minute squeeze during final day or two.

PvP forums have had a lot of discussion about potential rewards and fixes.
I'd like to see them implement at least some of them to push for activity.

1) Rewards
Incentivize participation below Diamond down to Bronze, make it not be seasonal carbon copies of extremely undesirable Framer Kits and a currency you farm casually everywhere else. It isnt even a lot of Trophy Crystals I mean you get 3000 at Gold - you get that in the time you REACH gold as the average player gold player.

Yes there are more things wrong with Ranked but let's stop going ij circles, the average western player does not lift a finger for inadequate rewards for duties where they genuinely need to try.

2.) Ranking System
They should honestly just go back to the Elo-type system from The Feast with some adjustments to make lower ranks not fall out of queues as season progressses.

Yes this will involve being able to derank all the way down, but hear me out - right now if you are in a skill tier like Gold your progress to plat is fairly linear unless you win streak. But if you dont you can lose all your wins from 5 matches within another 5 matches. Obviously this does not necessarily reflect your actual skill level.

In Elo system you gained 25 with a win and lost 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 with a loss, based on your skill tier. This meant that even though you may lose a gair bit of games in Bronze, you are still progressing with a 20% winrate and it makes sense since you are learning from your losses.

You also didn't immediately derank if you fell below the threshold once - you had five matches before it degraded your tier. It also had no bearing to your end of season reward if you did.

Lastly, it has tier promo matches where youd have to win in a personal best of 5 matches to continue. Rating would accumulate but you wouldnt get dropped into the hardest matches yet.

The old system was genuinely better overall, the issue was primarily the rating gaps and how difficult it might get to get matches at Unranked to Silver later in a season, a mix from somewhat pale rewards (only wolf collars at season end) and the forced role queue of 1111.

3) Job Changes
Some jobs are imo genuinely too strong right now. Dragoon's recent series of buffs on top of their previously buffed cooldown of Roar make them an absolute menace. They do a lot of very reliable damage, have absurd mobility to both get in and get out and have borderline godtier survival tools. On top of that due to how popular DRG is mirrormatches happen and a lack of enemy-coloured LB marks becomes more of a problem - Im a fairly skilled player myself and even I get bamboozled by this even with the partylist in heat of combat.

The usual, Polymorph/Miracle needs to burn and just be a Silence, give WHM compensation buffs if it is that bad.

PLD I just wish to see reworked. On one hand you can play around Cover but on the other I think PLD suffers with its kit from having so much of the power budget drained by this skill. I wish we had Intervention instead and PLD be adjusted in other places, like Confiteor giving "Divine Might" giving you a Holy Spirit/Circle to cast and interact with.

Seems like it's unusually quiet for end of Season. Usually the queue will pop during the last week for a bit but it's been dead for some days now.

Update: It started to pop, here we go.