Fix the bot situation on Sagittarius

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Is it normal to get a 30 people queue at 4 AM on Sagi, which is the smallest EU server right now along with Raiden, while overpopulated EU worlds are not getting any queues at all ?

Please fix the bots situation. Those flying lalas are not actual players, I promise you, you can ban them immediately you dont need to conduct a 6 months investigation.

I think you are being generous in thinking they do any kind of investigation.

they say that they RMT ban etc, but since the reported offenders never seem to go away, even with a preponderance of data collected and submitted to the tea club known as the STF, I honestly doubt they do... anything.

in game GM's do seem to do things, but they are not allowed to touch bots. if teh moderation on the forums is spotty and bad.. the "Special Tasj Force" who is responsible for going after the bots... is even worse if they do anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I think you are being generous in thinking they do any kind of investigation.

they say that they RMT ban etc, but since the reported offenders never seem to go away, even with a preponderance of data collected and submitted to the tea club known as the STF, I honestly doubt they do... anything.

in game GM's do seem to do things, but they are not allowed to touch bots. if teh moderation on the forums is spotty and bad.. the "Special Tasj Force" who is responsible for going after the bots... is even worse if they do anything at all.

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Oh I was just venting to be fair because I had to switch up between a few chars on sagi and I got hit with a queue over 10 up to 30 and it's 3:57 AM, so I just wanted to vent, I know that the "special task force" is literally non existent, and they dont ban anybody at all, be it for RMT or for botting, the only way for someone to get banned for RMT or botting in this game is if they start screaming it in shout in the middle of Limsa, and even then I doubt it would happen, it's honestly pretty pathetic

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Oh I was just venting to be fair because I had to switch up between a few chars on sagi and I got hit with a queue over 10 up to 30 and it's 3:57 AM, so I just wanted to vent, I know that the "special task force" is literally non existent, and they dont ban anybody at all, be it for RMT or for botting, the only way for someone to get banned for RMT or botting in this game is if they start screaming it in shout in the middle of Limsa, and even then I doubt it would happen, it's honestly pretty pathetic

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its truly beyond laughable. we all know there will always be bots, but SE seems to have given up completely. (I agree, they could shout in limsa at prime time and still be botting teh next day as long as they dont give 3rd party links lol, because then the GM's could get involved)

maybe thats the part of the player base they listen to, gods only know but its obvious bots have generally free reign in all aspects of the game

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

its truly beyond laughable. we all know there will always be bots, but SE seems to have given up completely. (I agree, they could shout in limsa at prime time and still be botting teh next day as long as they dont give 3rd party links lol, because then the GM's could get involved)

maybe thats the part of the player base they listen to, gods only know but its obvious bots have generally free reign in all aspects of the game

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Still just got a 22 people queue at 4:10, must be real players right ? Every other world I've tried just now had 0 queue lol, it's actually so annoying, but yeah I think once you accept that there is 0 support in this game it's better, I dont even bother sending tickets for in game issues or even billing issues, they eventually fix themselves and I'll get an automatic response 1 week later and a ""real"" response a month later if not longer, absolutely ridiculous tbh lol,

They have absolutely given up on banning bots and it really shows, but to be more blunt, they gave up on giving this game any support at all, be it regarding in game issues or bots/RMT, however I wanted to vent so thank you for listening lol

Edit : Followed by a 17 people queue 3 minutes later

This post is also good evidence of this game having 0 in game support, nada. That player never got suspended or banned, they still have that house up that way to this day as far as I am aware.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...n-t-Okay-Is-It

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Still just got a 22 people queue at 4:10, must be real players right ? Every other world I've tried just now had 0 queue lol, it's actually so annoying, but yeah I think once you accept that there is 0 support in this game it's better, I dont even bother sending tickets for in game issues or even billing issues, they eventually fix themselves and I'll get an automatic response 1 week later and a ""real"" response a month later if not longer, absolutely ridiculous tbh lol,

They have absolutely given up on banning bots and it really shows, but to be more blunt, they gave up on giving this game any support at all, be it regarding in game issues or bots/RMT, however I wanted to vent so thank you for listening lol

Edit : Followed by a 17 people queue 3 minutes later

This post is also good evidence of this game having 0 in game support, nada. That player never got suspended or banned, they still have that house up that way to this day as far as I am aware.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...n-t-Okay-Is-It

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Stand in uldah on any OCE server.

Black mage lala's just popping in and out of existence, teleporting under the aetheryte over and over and over again for hours on end.

It wouldnt be hard to just put kill barriers/ban barriers in place under all the major citys, the only 'fake bans' that would happen are people trying to OOB glitch, which is no real loss.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Stand in uldah on any OCE server.

Black mage lala's just popping in and out of existence, teleporting under the aetheryte over and over and over again for hours on end.

It wouldnt be hard to just put kill barriers/ban barriers in place under all the major citys, the only 'fake bans' that would happen are people trying to OOB glitch, which is no real loss.

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Pretty much everything you said, they just dont care, same in Limsa, they are right under the aetheryte, they also teleport to it and then poof into thin air, it's just so obvious it's comical

It's the same on EU even on bigger worlds, these people actually dont care at all they just tp all over the place with instant tp's because they know they wont get banned

my personal theory is that the botters, RMT and otherwise, have 8x10 colour glossies of Yoshi P in a compromised state/activity.

its teh only logical reason botters seem to have more rights than actual human players....

SE takes action against bots but such action is meaningless. When you have laughably small team handling it, GMs who can't do Jack without express permission and the total lack of a anti-cheat system.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

They have absolutely given up on banning bots and it really shows[/url]

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They do ban, takes like 2 years on average to ban a perma-24/7 RMT bot :) And if you do some "subterfuge" it can live for 5 or 6 years.

I've found that reports don't actually do anything, 99% of the bans are done by gil-tracing. Player reports can be thrown into the oblivion for all they care. They take 2 years to trace bots linked together and then manage to only ban half of them (not even sure how they even miss obviously linked chars) at the same time while 5 new networks already sprung up so have fun

At the very least, the situation is now apparent enough that pretty much no one except the most dimwitted asks for "evidence" that the bots exist or cite the weekly report when this sort of thread comes up.

But well, several forum regulars used to do that just one or two years ago. They now shut up on these matters because even they are too embarrassed to spout nonsense anymore.

But actually, maybe JJY will come in and spout his usual RMT apologist nonsense. So I await for that :D

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

my personal theory is that the botters, RMT and otherwise, have 8x10 colour glossies of Yoshi P in a compromised state/activity.

its teh only logical reason botters seem to have more rights than actual human players....

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Lmao no, it's simply that the STF is dealing with an extremely archaic system and probably aren't coding literally anything to get what they want. Imagine trying to find the word "hello" in a 700 page document and scrolling down page by page and reading through it to find those hellos instead of using Ctrl+F. That's like just a step down from what they do, but with log files and timestamps and shit. I'd imagine if they hired someone who knows regex and let him do some work with the STF their efficiency would unironically go up by 100 times.

There are server-sided detections though. Teleporting vast distances will get you disconnected, as is extreme speedhacking. But that seems to be about the most sophisticated detections they can do. Don't even talk about basic behavioral detection, much less using bayesian models or ML to catch these bots. They unironically don't know how to do it. People should be grateful that they gave up on trying because when they actually did put some effort their grand idea for behavioral detection is to simply ban everyone above X amount of gil. They are SERIOUSLY clueless.

It's pathetic really just like the rest of SE's infrastructure.

Do not buy Gil and the bot situation will be solved. It is simple. :) And SQEX is not very good at it when it comes to ban bots.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Do not buy Gil and the bot situation will be solved. It is simple. :) And SQEX is not very good at it when it comes to ban bots.


Cheers

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if SE would actually publicly ban people who buy gil, would go a LONG way to fixing the overall issue.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

if SE would actually publicly ban people who buy gil, would go a LONG way to fixing the overall issue.

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They do ban people who buy gil. They just don't catch everyone because you can't prove that I'm not just feeding gil to my friend because of something we set up in Discord that wasn't RMT.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

They do ban people who buy gil. They just don't catch everyone because you can't prove that I'm not just feeding gil to my friend because of something we set up in Discord that wasn't RMT.

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That's some hard copium right there

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's some hard copium right there

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I'll put just as much effort into my reply.

"Cool story bro"

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

I'll put just as much effort into my reply.

"Cool story bro"

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You believe in this company's absolutely atrocious support and "special task force"

I do not.

To each their own

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You believe in this company's absolutely atrocious support and "special task force"

I do not.

To each their own

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No, I think they're screwing it up pretty badly. But "they don't ban people who buy gil" is a gross overexaggeration of how badly.

As far as I can tell they only seem to ban the bots themselves, not the people's accounts who obviously bot.

I've seen FCs with entire bot armies with matching glams get away with it for ages, SE doesn't care.