A request to Soken to change certain boss music for specific Endwalker Dungeons

Namely:

The Fell Court of Troia
Lapis Manalis
& The Aetherfont

Specifically the bosses that have the endwalker boss theme be changed to FINAL FANTASY 4 NORMAL BATTLE THEME (EDIT - FOR MID-BOSSES! - Someone here seemed confused, and its the NORMAL BATTLE FROM FF4).

I felt it was a bit jarring since this is clearly a loveletter to FF4 at this point and the endwalker boss themes don't quite work here aesthetically, and so it should be at least complete with the normal battle theme from FF4 accompanying the FF4 boss battle theme at the end of each dungeon.

I remember a similar situation back in Shadowbringers, and they changed certain boss themes at one point that made more sense at the time.

I'm actually a bit tired of the FFIV music.. I was hoping The Aetherfont would go back to Finality, but alas.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I felt it was a bit jarring since this is clearly a loveletter to FF4 at this point and the endwalker boss themes don't quite work here aesthetically

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The final bosses for Troia and Lapis Manalis are two of the Four Fiends. How does the Four Fiends theme not make sense for them?

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

I'm actually a bit tired of the FFIV music.. I was hoping The Aetherfont would go back to Finality, but alas.

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The final boss for Aetherfont, Octomammoth, is a boss from FF4. Why are you upset that they're trying to be as accurate as possible for both music and boss?

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

The final bosses for Troia and Lapis Manalis are two of the Four Fiends. How does the Four Fiends theme not make sense for them?



The final boss for Aetherfont, Octomammoth, is a boss from FF4. Why are you upset that they're trying to be as accurate as possible for both music and boss?

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Inferno at end of Castrum Abania is an FFVI boss yet it plays Triumph, they don’t always have to play the boss music that the boss is associated with(not like VI boss theme wasn’t in the game at that point either /s :p) from older games, they choose to, personally I would’ve preferred EW’s final dungeon boss theme for Octomammoth as well but can’t change that.

And I know that whatever dungeon they add for 6.5 will also have that theme because they decided to drag out the void storyline longer than I personally think they should have, and I am very FFIV drained out, this has been worse than Omega in terms of fan service to a single game in a single expansion.

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

The final bosses for Troia and Lapis Manalis are two of the Four Fiends. How does the Four Fiends theme not make sense for them?



The final boss for Aetherfont, Octomammoth, is a boss from FF4. Why are you upset that they're trying to be as accurate as possible for both music and boss?

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Agree. No thanks to OPs request.

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

The final bosses for Troia and Lapis Manalis are two of the Four Fiends. How does the Four Fiends theme not make sense for them?

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Agree. No thanks to OPs request.

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Troia and Manalis use the FFIV standard "Boss" theme ("Battle 2") for their Fiends.

Barbariccia uses the actual Four Fiends theme.

OP is asking for the Dungeon "mid-bosses" to make the carpet match the drapes by giving them the FFIV "normal battle" theme ("Battle 1"), thereby completing the FFIV battle theme triforce.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Inferno at end of Castrum Abania is an FFVI boss yet it plays Triumph, they don’t always have to play the boss music that the boss is associated with(not like VI boss theme wasn’t in the game at that point either /s :p) from older games, they choose to, personally I would’ve preferred EW’s final dungeon boss theme for Octomammoth as well but can’t change that.

And I know that whatever dungeon they add for 6.5 will also have that theme because they decided to drag out the void storyline longer than I personally think they should have, and I am very FFIV drained out, this has been worse than Omega in terms of fan service to a single game in a single expansion.

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One key issue. This story CLEARLY takes after ff4 so your example holds little water there. If you have an issue with fanservice in a game like xiv "that's revolves around fanservice" you may be playing the wrong game. Skip cutscenes if it bothers that much. Folks say this post story is lasting to long but I bet if they cut it in half yall would then complain about stories not being focused enough and jumping all over the place.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

??? ??? ???

Troia and Manalis use the FFIV standard "Boss" theme ("Battle 2") for their Fiends.

Barbariccia uses the actual Four Fiends theme.

OP is asking for the Dungeon "mid-bosses" to make the carpet match the drapes by giving them the FFIV "normal battle" theme ("Battle 1"), thereby completing the FFIV battle theme triforce.

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Oh I should probably fully read after coffee before commenting. Yes that would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

??? ??? ???

Troia and Manalis use the FFIV standard "Boss" theme ("Battle 2") for their Fiends.

Barbariccia uses the actual Four Fiends theme.

OP is asking for the Dungeon "mid-bosses" to make the carpet match the drapes by giving them the FFIV "normal battle" theme ("Battle 1"), thereby completing the FFIV battle theme triforce.

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Bold of you to expect people to actually read.

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

The final boss for Aetherfont, Octomammoth, is a boss from FF4. Why are you upset that they're trying to be as accurate as possible for both music and boss?

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

I'm actually a bit tired of the FFIV music

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That's it.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

One key issue. This story CLEARLY takes after ff4 so your example holds little water there. If you have an issue with fanservice in a game like xiv "that's revolves around fanservice" you may be playing the wrong game. Skip cutscenes if it bothers that much. Folks say this post story is lasting to long but I bet if they cut it in half yall would then complain about stories not being focused enough and jumping all over the place.

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I don’t take issue with some fan service dang near every game in the series references other games of the series, however I do take issue when the fan service is overboard.

And FFIV for Endwalker has long overstepped that boundary from acceptable fan service to way too fucking much that I never wanna see another IV reference for a fair long while.

And lastly go fuck yourself telling me whether or not I should play a game or skip cutscenes, if I enjoy playing a game I will play it and even while enjoying it I can point out things that bug me doesn’t make me hate it automatically but certainly any game is open to criticism and I find that they have overdone the FFIV fan service for Endwalker (feel free to report I generally don’t care much about the forums anymore my talking rate took a sharp nose dive and I generally do not care so telling ads while like you to go fuck yourself is very liberating) ciao

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I don’t take issue with some fan service dang near every game in the series references other games of the series, however I do take issue when the fan service is overboard.

And FFIV for Endwalker has long overstepped that boundary from acceptable fan service to way too fucking much that I never wanna see another IV reference for a fair long while.

And lastly go fuck yourself telling me whether or not I should play a game or skip cutscenes, if I enjoy playing a game I will play it and even while enjoying it I can point out things that bug me doesn’t make me hate it automatically but certainly any game is open to criticism and I find that they have overdone the FFIV fan service for Endwalker (feel free to report I generally don’t care much about the forums anymore my talking rate took a sharp nose dive and I generally do not care so telling ads while like you to go fuck yourself is very liberating) ciao

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Welp there goes all that credibility out the window

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I don’t take issue with some fan service dang near every game in the series references other games of the series, however I do take issue when the fan service is overboard.

And FFIV for Endwalker has long overstepped that boundary from acceptable fan service to way too fucking much that I never wanna see another IV reference for a fair long while.

And lastly go fuck yourself telling me whether or not I should play a game or skip cutscenes, if I enjoy playing a game I will play it and even while enjoying it I can point out things that bug me doesn’t make me hate it automatically but certainly any game is open to criticism and I find that they have overdone the FFIV fan service for Endwalker (feel free to report I generally don’t care much about the forums anymore my talking rate took a sharp nose dive and I generally do not care so telling ads while like you to go fuck yourself is very liberating) ciao

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Meh, if I wanna hear the FFIV regular battle theme, I'll go play FFIV. Last time in SHB when they did that music change, it really sucked and made the last boss theme to those dungeons feel lesser too. I think they should just give the dungeon bosses music that fits each boss's fight the best like they were doing in the past somewhat. Variety is the spice of life, and dungeons are already way too streamlined and similar. Don't need them to be even more uniform.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

??? ??? ???

Troia and Manalis use the FFIV standard "Boss" theme ("Battle 2") for their Fiends.

Barbariccia uses the actual Four Fiends theme.

OP is asking for the Dungeon "mid-bosses" to make the carpet match the drapes by giving them the FFIV "normal battle" theme ("Battle 1"), thereby completing the FFIV battle theme triforce.

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Yes the Mid-boss themes.

Honestly I don't know why some people on these forums keep thinking I'm saying something else, this happened to me a few times already and its getting on my nerves.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Meh, if I wanna hear the FFIV regular battle theme, I'll go play FFIV. Last time in SHB when they did that music change, it really sucked and made the last boss theme to those dungeons feel lesser too. I think they should just give the dungeon bosses music that fits each boss's fight the best like they were doing in the past somewhat. Variety is the spice of life, and dungeons are already way too streamlined and similar. Don't need them to be even more uniform.

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On the other hand, it helps keep the idea of a dungeon feel part of an expansion's arc story when you hear its boss theme. This is something thats been standard in rpgs since forever and honestly the boss themes starting from SB-EW have been consistently good imo, I always found the mixed boss themes used in ARR and Heavensward (minus a certain one) to be very sleepy.

I mean, if they added different music to every boss that's be fine with me. More music is more music. Buts its not something that I feel that its in desperate need. The music of FFXIV and how its handled is fine imo.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I don’t take issue with some fan service dang near every game in the series references other games of the series, however I do take issue when the fan service is overboard.

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Just wait until you find out Meteor (our stand-in for WOL in the CG trailers) changing his job from Dark Knight to Paladin is another reference to FF4 (Cecil turning into a Paladin with his original class being Dark Knight)

The agony...

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Welp there goes all that credibility out the window

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Sorry about that I just have no excuse for it and I apologise for it but I do really wanna highlight how overused FFIV fan service has been in Endwalker specifically:

-Tower of Zot(including a few enemies within it)
-Magus Sisters(they are just slightly altered Amano artwork designs)
-Tower of Babil
-Barnabos
-Dr Lugae(still ongoing)
-The Watcher(aka FuSoYa right down to the rainbow robes)
-Loporrits
-IV town theme
-IV battle theme in the loporrit areas
-Moon is artificial and made by a different race of people(in this case Hydaelyn the last ancient), also there were a load of people sleeping in status waiting to wake up
-actually have a fair bit a break until, travel to space on a spaceship to go beat up an entity trying to kill life on the planet
-Have many fake out deaths (entire last zone of EW is on par with entirety of IV)
-Troia
-Scarmilogne
-Barbarricca (actually the most unique of all the void series)
-Cagnazzo
-Rubicante
-Golbez
-Shadow dragon
-Zeromus
-IV four fiends theme
-Octomammoth



It really really feels overdone in EW to the point I generally never want to see anything else from IV again in XIV and that is a goddamn shame (when it was more spaced out in older expansions it was fine and I had no issue with it)

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

It really really feels overdone in EW to the point I generally never want to see anything else from IV again in XIV and that is a goddamn shame (when it was more spaced out in older expansions it was fine and I had no issue with it)

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I think it's because older expansions tended to quarantine a reference into a specific piece of content, rather than basically using it as a topcoat for the entire MSQ.

Rather than just, "Ha ha, that's the [insert game] content over there, hanging around optionally at the edges of the MSQ", it has become, "Well I guess this is FFIV Online now".

To be blunt, most of FFXIV's directorial decisions are ultimately marketing/recruitment-oriented, and the immense nostalgia / popularity of FFIV in the FF fan community's collective conscious is probably a driving factor here.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Sorry about that I just have no excuse for it and I apologise for it but I do really wanna highlight how overused FFIV fan service has been in Endwalker specifically:

-Tower of Zot(including a few enemies within it)
-Magus Sisters(they are just slightly altered Amano artwork designs)
-Tower of Babil
-Barnabos
-Dr Lugae(still ongoing)
-The Watcher(aka FuSoYa right down to the rainbow robes)
-Loporrits
-IV town theme
-IV battle theme in the loporrit areas
-Moon is artificial and made by a different race of people(in this case Hydaelyn the last ancient), also there were a load of people sleeping in status waiting to wake up
-actually have a fair bit a break until, travel to space on a spaceship to go beat up an entity trying to kill life on the planet
-Have many fake out deaths (entire last zone of EW is on par with entirety of IV)
-Troia
-Scarmilogne
-Barbarricca (actually the most unique of all the void series)
-Cagnazzo
-Rubicante
-Golbez
-Shadow dragon
-Zeromus
-IV four fiends theme
-Octomammoth



It really really feels overdone in EW to the point I generally never want to see anything else from IV again in XIV and that is a goddamn shame (when it was more spaced out in older expansions it was fine and I had no issue with it)

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Where were you in Shadowbringers?

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

Where were you in Shadowbringers?

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What about Shadowbringers? The so-called FFVIII raid had more references to ARR content than FFVIII. Weapons have almost nothing in common with their FFVII counterpart beyond general boss design, Werlyt had more roots in mecha anime. They used some FFXII music for Bozja, but it was mostly original content.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

snip. TL/DR too many FF4 references in Endwalker

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Better not tell them about all the FFVI references in Stormblood....

From dungeon bosses to story beats to field enemies to literally the entire nation of Doma.... all of Sigmascape....

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Sorry about that I just have no excuse for it and I apologise for it but I do really wanna highlight how overused FFIV fan service has been in Endwalker specifically:

-Tower of Zot(including a few enemies within it)
-Magus Sisters(they are just slightly altered Amano artwork designs)
-Tower of Babil
-Barnabos
-Dr Lugae(still ongoing)
-The Watcher(aka FuSoYa right down to the rainbow robes)
-Loporrits
-IV town theme
-IV battle theme in the loporrit areas
-Moon is artificial and made by a different race of people(in this case Hydaelyn the last ancient), also there were a load of people sleeping in status waiting to wake up
-actually have a fair bit a break until, travel to space on a spaceship to go beat up an entity trying to kill life on the planet
-Have many fake out deaths (entire last zone of EW is on par with entirety of IV)
-Troia
-Scarmilogne
-Barbarricca (actually the most unique of all the void series)
-Cagnazzo
-Rubicante
-Golbez
-Shadow dragon
-Zeromus
-IV four fiends theme
-Octomammoth



It really really feels overdone in EW to the point I generally never want to see anything else from IV again in XIV and that is a goddamn shame (when it was more spaced out in older expansions it was fine and I had no issue with it)

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Did you have this same issue with Shadowbringers are you not mad about that one because it doesn't sound like you ever played III?

Also, that list is tiny in comparison to the references VII or XII have

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...Fantasy_series

Its really telling who actually is a FF series fan when people dont even know that the ENTIRE GORRAM GAME has been pulling so many references and allusions to previous titles, non-chalantly pasting them into the game's main story without you noticing it.

Them doing this with FFIV is seriously nothing new. If you're tired of it, then that would mean you're also tired of the entirety of FFXIV as its just a game having multiple affairs with the previous titles.

Dont pin it all on FFIV.