Its pretty clear as other threads have mentioned that a lot of the changes done to PvP are completely nonsensical. Adjustments are made that are often unwarranted, that nobody was calling for that ruins the job, both in competitive, and non competitive environments. The shatter map was probably the greatest indication of just how much they don't understand PvP. It's clear to me that whoever is making the decisions in regards to PvP is completely out of touch with what the players want.
I'm not saying not all of the changes they've made in EW so far are awful. 6.1 overall has been a large step forward for making PvP an enjoyable experience. However since then they've been taking many steps backwards.
Its clear that either;
The current PvP dev team is completely out of touch with what they're doing.
or
There is no PvP dev team, and PvP changes are being implemented by people who don't understand PvP.
If Square has any intention of taking PvP seriously, I think its warranted that an actual team of people who know PvP inside and out take over the direction of PvP content, and they consider listening to feedback and more thoroughly play testing their changes before throwing them into patches.
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06-03-2023, 06:37 AMArcheronPvP dev team?
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06-03-2023, 06:53 AMElucesta
Yes +1 this thread because I agree. The maps are ridiculously unbalanced, im all for a fun map here and there but competitively its atrocious. Certain jobs need to be tweaked, there NEEDS to be a better proactive answer to being CHAINSTUNNED. Also, damage reduction on certain jobs.
Maps need to be more basic, no more of this extra stuff, just have static maps with multiple routes that would add complexity as your progress in improvement at the game. I don't think they knowbwhat they're doing either its annoying -
06-03-2023, 08:32 AMmaximesan514
frontline was way better before 6.1
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06-04-2023, 02:05 AMValence
I don't know how people manage to constantly complain about being chainstunned in FLs. I don't understand how you end up being chainstunned. You have purify. Use the button, it removes the stun, then you can run away. And if you get chained CCed past those 5s of immunity, then you were probably caught alone pants down by a blob of 24 players and you probably deserved the punishement.
Maps needs less pve objectives besides basic ones (this is pvp, not pve), and they need rng (within control to prevent silly situations where the winning team gets the last S tier node). The worst map ever was Secure, and the reason it's so boring is because you always do the same things, the same back and forth, every game, because every objective is static not only in time, but in location as well. Good riddance to it. -
06-04-2023, 05:07 AMBoldprint
purify doesn't work.
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06-04-2023, 09:17 AMXel
There is no pvp dev team. There are people perhaps collecting a paycheck with that designation, but it's clear they are stealing from the company at best.
Overtime needs to go. It's hard enough thinking you might have won only for new players to realize no, the game isn't over yet, much less understand how OT functionally works.
Purify is still a joke.
CC chains, pun intended, are still insane.
No point in playing competitively because it's just chock full of win trade and bots.
The inability to make groups with competent people is also amusing. I love being stuck with clueless idiots who just came in for the first time during rank-up matches. -
06-04-2023, 10:33 AMArcheron
Purify is infuriatingly useless, and its probably the easiest thing they could change to make it better. Give immunity to further CC after its been used for like 3 seconds, or implement diminished returns.
To fix newbies rushing into ranked headfirst with not even their spells on their bars they could implement a PvP tutorial that you have to complete before you can actually queue into it. But first we need a team of PvP developers who are capable of understanding whats holding FFXIV pvp back, and taking over the direction of PvP moving into 7.0. Because I doubt the people in charge of PvP, assuming there is anyone, know what they are doing. The class balancing will likely be impossible to get 100% even, but the willy nilly nerfs that make literally no sense, and stupid map changes, and lack of incentive to PvP need to go. -
06-04-2023, 11:37 AMRansu
There is no dev team. They confirmed this in a live letter that the people working on pvp also work on pve and pvp are secondary duties. Even if they had a dedicated pvp team, unless they fix the server issues and the recent uptick in cheaters nothing can be done to fix pvp, especially ranked.
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06-04-2023, 02:55 PMXel
To have a whole section of their product with no dev team for it, the logic is insane.
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06-04-2023, 03:31 PMArcheron
PvE developers have zero business making changes to PvP. Especially when its clear that the developers DO NOT PLAY PVP. It would NOT be that hard for them to open the JP forums and listen to feedback on what people want, or to invite a mix of high level players, and casual PvPers to thoroughly playtest any, and ALL changes they plan on making.
I suspect that the developers have still not learned their lessons from 1.0, they've got an aura of arrogance and overconfidence in themselves doubling down on dumb changes not just in PvP but also PvE. -
06-04-2023, 04:14 PMRansu
PvP hasn't been popular enough to justify having a team specifically for PvP.
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06-04-2023, 05:33 PMTheGrimace
Yet they're gonna have a tournament with $22,500 backing it.
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06-04-2023, 06:34 PMValence
I have literally no idea what makes people say purify doesn't work, it work perfectly fine on my end. I'd assume it may be sensitive to high latencies, maybe? If so that's pretty typical I guess.
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06-04-2023, 10:00 PMAraxesScenario1: Random Stun from a random person that does not even target you---> purify----> running away----> DRK pull---->running away----> DRK pull---> running away---> WAR pull--->miracle of Nature and then some other 4787491 CC's purify does not remove--->dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
Scenario2: Purify bugs out and you are dead anyway. -
06-05-2023, 01:45 AMRansuThat's honestly not much money, especially when its split 5 ways. I have friends that have made double that in a single tournament for fighting games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrimace
With that said, the tournament is mostly just to advertise the game mode and hope to get more people interested.
Its consistent in purging stuff....It's inconsistent in resisting stuff which is my general problem with it. I'll purge a stun and then immediately get stunned right after because the server takes a second to apply the buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
Ya basically this, except for the miracle of nature part. That stupid thing ignores resistance and is probably the most broken cc in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araxes
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06-05-2023, 05:45 PMHik3nYup, this is 100% what is happening, they got too overconfident and everyone looks the other way when they do something dumb and do it again and again, or just delete it from the game, 2years+ and still no Hats in the game for 2 races :)) We get a ton of tiaras for no reason, they totally destroyed PVP, deleted mods, party options, made shatter way worse than it was, deleted maps, they removed more things from pvp than what they put in... and the list goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archeron
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06-06-2023, 02:10 AMArcheron
I find hats the most hilarious thing that Square still hasn't implemented into the game, when those evil, unspeakable people who make illicit third party programs fixed hats for all races years ago.
I just don't see any passion from the devs of this game with any of their new content. They just do whats minimally needed to keep people from picking up their pitchforks. -
06-06-2023, 04:35 AMValenceYou have 5s of immunity to run away. If you literally jumped alone in a blob with your frontlines nowhere to be seen behind you, or got caught pants down alone somewhere in the wilds, you deserve to die to this. I never have personally, it's almost ludicrously too easy as melee to go back to your lines. If you're going melee IN FRONT OF YOUR TEAM as a ranged, then I'm questioning your sanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araxes
It's possible that the case mentioned by Ransu is a problem, but i'm not too positive on that so i'll believe you, especially in FLs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araxes
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06-08-2023, 08:46 PMAraxesYou are not reading correctly and you dont play pvp. Otherwise you would know that you HAVE NO IMMUNITY to DRK pulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
In Scenario 1 i wrote: "Random Stun from a random person that does not even target you" How do you get stunned while not being targeted? By standing in a Group of allied players wich got hit by a targeted aoe Stun.
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06-08-2023, 09:10 PMValence
https://i.imgur.com/zwKPkLP.png
Also crystal in all seasons. So I *do* play pvp. If it's still not enough is another debate.
I know that DRK pull is problematic in itself since it has no counter. It should definitely be prevented by CC immunities (like the purify buff or Warden's).
However I do still feel that people are making this a storm in a kettle because that's just not my regular FLs experience. I don't even remember a single time where it has happened to me. But maybe on other datacenters honestly I haven't tried making alts there to see if the field is truly filled up with DRKs everywhere... -
06-09-2023, 02:52 AMAraxesMaybe your Datacenter does not have 33919879 DRK's in every Game so you dont have to experience the pullchain rollercoaster. At some point i got pulled FIVE times in a row. It is simply rediculous. It is the problem with balancing classes for a small scale pvp mode and then throwing them into a BG with a massive amount of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
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06-09-2023, 08:02 AMKathleen_It rarely happens because most DRKs are completely terrible and useless even when there are multiple in the same alliance, but when it does happen it's incredibly annoying to go against. But at least it's not as bad as SCH stacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence