Battle credit for heals?

On a hunt train today, where the bosses were dying in a few seconds, I tried giving others some time by tossing a heal on a party member whose health was down a bit. The heal executed, but I didn't get credit for the kill.
I was playing SMN, and used Physick.
Do you have to be playing an actual healer class to get credit with heals?

You have to hit the enemy to get the kill, not heal

OK, Multiple train leaders have said heals will get you credit as well. I'll just keep hitting the bosses once (if it's a big crowd.)

You do get aggro via heals. Dunno why this other person is saying otherwise.
Most likely what happened is you healed someone who also didn't get into combat with the mob. Easy way to tell is do you have the aggro list appear with the mark? If not, your not getting credit.

All that is required is for the enemy to be in your enemy list. Healing someone who has attacked it achieves this. But it might not count if the heal is delayed and the enemy dies before it takes it into account.

why are you healing as summoner just energy drain its an instant cast

heal gains hate, which is noce, but you need to tap it (even just an auto) to "start" it if that makes sense

so use 1 (one ) damage spell and then heal heal heal

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

why are you healing as summoner just energy drain its an instant cast

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In current hunt trains the population is so high that the marks may not load in on time for you to target it. So non target aoes or heals are the way to get credit in these cases.

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

heal gains hate, which is noce, but you need to tap it (even just an auto) to "start" it if that makes sense

so use 1 (one ) damage spell and then heal heal heal

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As long as you heal someone in combat your fine.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

In current hunt trains the population is so high that the marks may not load in on time for you to target it. So non target aoes or heals are the way to get credit in these cases.

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gotcha, I guess at that point i would level a dedicated healer so you can at least spam aoe healing and not have to rely on physick

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

You have to hit the enemy to get the kill, not heal

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Please don't spread misinformation :/

Credit for hunts goes by enmity. That's probably why people think that heals can increase credit, as heals generate enmity.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Please don't spread misinformation :/

Credit for hunts goes by enmity. That's probably why people think that heals can increase credit, as heals generate enmity.

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I didn’t get credit ever when a boss dies in one second and I only healed, but you’re all welcome to do as you wish, if your heal increases the enmity more than a direct hit as the boss is already dying, more power to your internet

That would be a human issue though. Being too late on the heal or healing someone not in combat yet. But I can confirm that healing does count in terms of getting credit ( source: I've conducted over 100 trains and have done some literally only healing).
Either way, your free to hit it or heal it or do w.e you want so you do you!

If crowds are large enough, it's also possible (or at least was, once upon a time) that the enmity table for the hunt mark simply isn't large enough to hold every player. That is, even though you were correctly healing, or even if you were attacking, the game won't recognize you as generating any enmity, because too many other players have already generated enmity.

It's been a long time since I've seen this happen, though, so it may have been fixed long ago..

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

That would be a human issue though. Being too late on the heal or healing someone not in combat yet. But I can confirm that healing does count in terms of getting credit ( source: I've conducted over 100 trains and have done some literally only healing).
Either way, your free to hit it or heal it or do w.e you want so you do you!

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Just a question for you since you apparently host or have hosted hunt trains. How do you feel about trains giving certain groups priority?

Around the time period that the first set of EW relics came out I went to do my usual trains and I noticed that certain parties were at each mark and it was already anywhere from a third to half hp. They weren't using tracking scripts or anything of that sort because they knew the route. A lot of people complained, and we actually ended up with some full parties of tanks spamming their enmity projectiles(Shield Lob/alts for other 3). The hunt conductors apparently had a word with those people about it, and people were just really upset. I actually haven't touched hunts in a while over it.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Just a question for you since you apparently host or have hosted hunt trains. How do you feel about trains giving certain groups priority?

Around the time period that the first set of EW relics came out I went to do my usual trains and I noticed that certain parties were at each mark and it was already anywhere from a third to half hp. They weren't using tracking scripts or anything of that sort because they knew the route. A lot of people complained, and we actually ended up with some full parties of tanks spamming their enmity projectiles(Shield Lob/alts for other 3). The hunt conductors apparently had a word with those people about it, and people were just really upset. I actually haven't touched hunts in a while over it.

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So this is something that's hard to control sadly. It's not that there's priority groups, it's that scouters/conductors have the coordinates from when it was scouted (once scouted it's dropped into a discord channel that scouters/conductors have access to).
So if a conductor always has the same kill order, a good amount of people will already know where to go. The only thing that can be done is the conductor communicates with that group to not go ahead of the train but there will always be bad apples.
Right now is way worst too since there's so many people running trains, people want to make sure they can get credit.

But I forgot to answer what my thoughts on it are.
I personally don't mind people running a little bit ahead. However, I do have a problem when people do it after a patch drop where the population is stupid high. Anything over 150 people in a train is when I will speak up about slowing down/waiting.

1) Be in a party. Credit is based on enmity generated and party enmity is shared between members who generate enmity on the hunt mark through damage dealt or through heals to players who have dealt damage to it. If you are solo on a congested train and only healing other players in a party, you likely won't generate enough enmity by yourself to get rewarded. Even a solo tank with stance on and spamming their ranged enmity generator may struggle to get a "bronze" rating on a congested train. Speaking of tank stance...
(edit: I don't know if only effective healing will generate the needed enmity or if overhealing will as well)

2) If you are a tank, use your tank stance. There's zero reason for not using it on a hunt train. It increases the enmity your party generates, helping to get the best possible credit.

3) If you're playing on a PS4 or with a slow internet connection, you may want to consider skipping hunts the first two weeks of a patch if they are crowded. They're more likely to be a source of frustration then benefit. No matter what conductors try to organize a train so that everyone attending gets credit, they cannot control what individual players do and how the rest of the train reacts to those players. Conductors who prefer to run bullet trains frequently don't care if they're getting credit themselves - their goal is to get the train completed as quickly as possible, not to help everyone get credit.

4) If you have that good connection or console/PC that allow you to mostly keep up with the train, you can help those with slower connections or older consoles/PC. When someone ignores the conductor's waypoints, goes out scouting and pulls before everyone has made it to the hunt mark, hit the mark once so you're on the enmity table then stop attacking. Tanks are generally safe if they stick to using their ranged enmity generator since it does relatively little damage compared to the standard rotation but generates a large amount of enmity. If only a dozen players are ignoring the conductor instead of half the train, the mark will die slower and more players will have a chance to get their in time.

In the end, it's up to those attending to make the train a good experience for everyone who shows up. Don't contribute to the problem of players who are incapable of being considerate to others also attending.

Credit is primarily enmity based. The thing about heals though is that they generate very low enmity to begin with, and SMN even less because their heals only heal for a tiny fraction of what a SCH's Physick heals for. Heals naturally have a 50% enmity multiplier and the enmity is spread out among all the enemies that have you or your target on your enmity list. So if you can heal for 1,000 hp, you'll generate about 500 points worth of enmity and that enmity will be divided amongst all the enemies. But if you can heal for 1,000, you can probably Ruin for about 10,000, which would be worth about 10,000 points of enmity.

If you want credit as a red job, you should always just attack.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

So this is something that's hard to control sadly. It's not that there's priority groups, it's that scouters/conductors have the coordinates from when it was scouted (once scouted it's dropped into a discord channel that scouters/conductors have access to).
So if a conductor always has the same kill order, a good amount of people will already know where to go. The only thing that can be done is the conductor communicates with that group to not go ahead of the train but there will always be bad apples.
Right now is way worst too since there's so many people running trains, people want to make sure they can get credit.

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That's interesting. I don't think the kill order was always the same though, since a lot of times we'd be making use of whatever zones currently had multiple instances. Even then the order differed a lot of times depending on what was currently up.

I suspect that a scouter/conductor was leaking the order to other people for their own benefits.

no matter the case, if you're a healer: Put your DoT on it!

Aye but what people are saying is in the larger hunts people on weaker machines might not see the enemy load. If you are unable to target the boss you can try tossing a heal on someone in your party to get the heal credit from them, try and hit a melee dps or tank with it as with their faster GCD's and auto attacks they are more likely to already be engaged with the target. Try aoe moves like Assize ect and place your healing bubbles if you have one over the target to clip any melee in your team.

If you have more time and you still can't target the boss, target another player and manually click the bosses name from their target thus allowing you to target it.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

You have to hit the enemy to get the kill, not heal

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As WHM, I get credit if I cast Asylum (big bubble heal) on the group. If it's on CD, then I just hit the boss once.

Have to hit the boss at least once to get credit, it was a change a long long while back. <TT> or an aoe in mid if group usually does the trick if youre have a hard time seeing the hunt, way you can tell is if it pops up in the enemy list.

WHM's Assize spell is a quick easy way to successfully either hit the boss or heal someone who has hit it. Instant cast, single button press.

I'm not sure if you HAVE to hit the boss, but I always do just to be safe.

If you have SMN leveled to 90, that means you have SCH, so I'd suggest running the train as SCH. At this point, you should have some way to get level 90 gear for it, and you don't exactly need advanced gear for Hunt trains. If you can target the boss, Biolysis or Ruin 2 it then spam Succor. If you can't target the boss, run into the middle of where all the players are and hit Art of War a few times. It's instant cast, centered on your position, and doesn't require an enemy to be targeted to hit them. Once you see the enemy on your little enemy list (the one with the red circle, orange triangle, or yellow square), then switch to Succor spam.

Honestly, that's what I do a lot of the time. Sometimes I WHM it (Holy also doesn't require a target and is spamable, but Assize very much does work nicely because it has just a massive range so it's super easy to hit the boss SOMEhow even if you can't see it), but SCH/SGE's Art of War/Dyskrasia are nice since they're instant for those cases where marks are vaporizing fast.

If you have a max level tank, same situation, just you use Shield Lob/Tomahawk/Unmend/Lightning Shot if you can see it (your AOE if you can't - like all healers other than AST, all tanks have AOEs that don't require a target) until you get it on your agro list. With tank stance, you get full credit REALLY fast just by spamming the ranged attack because it does something like 10x enmity or similar ridiculousness. PLD can also spam Clemency on people, just make sure you're on the agro table before you start doing so.

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Hope that helps.