Hamlet Defense provisions... Blind turnins

So... the purpose of this thread is a suggestion, and i don't know if people would actually be on board with it.

I do not like having to sit at the quartermaster waiting for the hamlet provision time to almost close... for many reasons it is the most efficient way to go.

So... can we have blind turnins (no leaderbords until after it closes)?

*wrote after sitting till 6 cst in the morning to turn in items*

Alternatively you can wait for hamlet time to shift to your primetime so you don't need to wake up so early.

Better idea: no leaderboards period, as I've already stated multiple times. Remove the provisioner score bonus from the battle, or grant it to everyone who provided more than a certain low minimum of contribution.

Thus removing the competitive factor. Its like bidding on eBay, if you want it bad enough you'll put in the time and effort.

I like the boards as is, let those people fighting for Top 3 keep all our Hamlets at lvl 2.

I'm still wondering where our rank 3-5 hamlet battles are.

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Originally Posted by Scytale

Thus removing the competitive factor. Its like bidding on eBay, if you want it bad enough you'll put in the time and effort.

I like the boards as is, let those people fighting for Top 3 keep all our Hamlets at lvl 2.

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It's not at all like bidding on eBay because eBay is based on value generated in the real world while FFXIV is based on farming in a virtual world. eBay bidding encourages creating value in the real world so you can buy more stuff, while FFXIV bidding encourages wasting away in an MMO.

This is why Blizzard was eventually forced to alter their honor system. It lead to very unhealthy playing habits when the most competitive would stay online to grind literally 24/7 so they could be #1.

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Originally Posted by Frein

It's not at all like bidding on eBay because eBay is based on value generated in the real world while FFXIV is based on farming in a virtual world. eBay bidding encourages creating value in the real world so you can buy more stuff, while FFXIV bidding encourages wasting away in an MMO.

This is why Blizzard was eventually forced to alter their honor system. It lead to very unhealthy playing habits when the most competitive would stay online to grind literally 24/7 so they could be #1.

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Ya the above pretty much happens now with the current Hamlet setup.

Perhaps a more "varied' concept could work with Hamlet.
Let's say LV 1 Hamlet has a top 20 with top 3 getting an extra boost and then 2 random people from 4-10 also get a boost and 1 person from 11-20 get the top 3 boost.

They should also have "lockouts" during the 50hr prep phase, divided by 3 that's about 16hrs. So every 16hrs the top spot would be locked in place. SO it would look something like:
1=500k(16hrs locked out)
2=400k
3=300k

1=500k(16hr lockout)
2=600k(32hr lockout)
3=550k

Final Count:
1=500k
2=600k
3=700k

Basically a "lockout" could be used as a means to spread out the time frame in which people can reach the top 3 rather then just a bumrush in the last 3 seconds.

The other idea though is this:
Top 3 can also be granted to
Lv 1 Hamlet:
2 random people on the 4-10 list
1 random person on the 11-20 list
Lv 2 Hamlet:
Top 3 becomes a Top 6 and changes from a list of 20 to 30
3 people from 7-10 are picked for Top 3
2 are picked from 11-20
1 person is picked from 21-30

At least then people who aim for the top 20 can feel like they aren't wasting their time and it "should" help in limiting people from feeding an excess amount of materials for a Hamlet.

Since it's pretty much confirmed that they don't want to make said bonus accessible to everyone, they should just make a way to open it up to more people per battle round. As the lv's progress it would improve as followed:
Lv 3:
Top 10, 1-40
3 picked from 11-20
2 picked from 21-30
1 picked from 31-40
Lv 4:
Top 15, 1-50
3 picked from 16-20
3 picked from 21-30
2 picked from 31-40
1 picked from 41-50

Lv 5:
Top 20, 1-60
4 picked from 21-30
3 picked from 31-40
2 picked from 41-50
1 picked from 51-60

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The above idea is basically with more being needed to increase the rank of a Hamlet then logically the Hamlet itself should increase the range in which people can be granted the additional bonus.

It would make no sense for a Hamlet to require let's say 100million points for lv 5 and the ending result of the top 6 be
1=15 mil
2=14.5mil
3=14mil
4=13.5mil
5=12mil
6=11mil

So just because those 3 below the top 3 couldn't get that extra mil they don't deserve the same benefits as a top 3? That's just a discouraging concept which will draw people away from the game because of how unforgiving a concept it is. A concept which encourages people to work together to improve a Hamlet defense turns into nothing more than a concept which creates unnecessary competition to reach that top 3.

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Also the E-bay analogy doesn't work because in E-bay when 10 people bid on the item only 1 person pays after the fact, however with the Hamlet concept everyone loses items and only the top 3 gain said benefits.

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Originally Posted by Frein

It's not at all like bidding on eBay because eBay is based on value generated in the real world while FFXIV is based on farming in a virtual world. eBay bidding encourages creating value in the real world so you can buy more stuff, while FFXIV bidding encourages wasting away in an MMO.

This is why Blizzard was eventually forced to alter their honor system. It lead to very unhealthy playing habits when the most competitive would stay online to grind literally 24/7 so they could be #1.

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It is the game's fault for having a system that allows people to compete for something, or is it the players fault for having no self-control?

This is the same agruement for people who gamble. Some people will spend their whole pay check on slots, but is it the slots fault?

I'm glad SE finally added something people had to work for and compete against eachother for. If you want to be number 1, you and your LS have to earn it. Will I ever be number 1? Hell no! Will I reap the benefits of those who are? sure will!

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Originally Posted by Scytale

Thus removing the competitive factor. Its like bidding on eBay, if you want it bad enough you'll put in the time and effort.

I like the boards as is, let those people fighting for Top 3 keep all our Hamlets at lvl 2.

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Good. The competitive factor shouldn't be a factor in this. What? A relic isn't enough to stroke an epeen over? You have to feel good about firends funneling you materials so you can spam enter in front of an NPC for hours on end?

The leaderboard doesn't compare any kind of skill or ability. It basically just compares time wasted on crafting mixed in with a bit of luck. it's not like crafting is challenging.

Racing to get relic weapons should be the competition- not the amount of time wasted in order to stick your name on a leaderboard nobody that's not also crafting for hamlet defense gives a damn about.

You'll have plenty more to compete over when PvP comes out.

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I'm glad SE finally added something people had to work for and compete against eachother for.

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So you're saying there's no competitive spirit in trying to get the best gear? Isn't that like the most important secondary goal of any MMO?

Just send seals to my retainer. Either of them is fine. Thanks.

While i like the spirit of the idea, i wonder if blind turn ins will really help. those that are pumping items into hamlet may continue doing the same and possibly do even more since they don't know at what point to stop.

I've wondered if for militia crafts it may be best to bring +1 +2 +3 etc back for those items alone. You could then cap the item turn in total for instance, and then add in some math, and get a turn in cound vs quality rate per item = top.

Not that i'm a big fan of the top 3 system but if thats how SE wants to do it maybe they should push for quality per item instead of just total item count.

Would folks still need a bunch of items to use crafting? probably. But it would bring some element of "skill" to the crafting portion of turn ins. and some folks might skip a provision here and there to craft the best possible chances, giving a small window to others to put in items.

Also if you have 3 people who put in the cap of items all the same quality, they could tie for the spot. Thus putting more people in the top 3 provided they put in the best items.