How do I make CC (Crystaline Conflict) enjoyable for myself?

For context: I have never been that big for tab-target pvp. It's an awkward experience in itself, but for most cases it isn't too bad. With that said, I tend to stop with it after being able to acquire a item or novelty I might like, and usually it comes out as a decently enjoyable experience.

This doesn't apply to CC however. I'm not sure what it is, but the gamemode finds a way to get under my skin and bring the worst version of myself out. It's as if it was designed to make me miserable. I have rarely enjoyed any matches. Most the time it's the entire enemy team spamming stuns on you until you die. Most the time it's a morale-crushing defeat, with some matches barely lasting a minute. Dramatic clutches where we win against all odds just feel like a waste of time where I could have gotten the loser's xp and move on to another match by then. This could be a case of skill being required, but even in the cases where I actually perform, I find no enjoyment from winning and even the great rewards don't give much excitement. The experience feels like a sunk cost fallacy for gameplay.

The time-gated rewards don't help much either. I was genuinely excited for the augmented hellhound weapons, as I thought they were neat. Yet, when I found they were behind a fleeting ranked status that I am fairly certain will not be reached, I considered it something I will never get. At the very least most people consider them not that attractive so maybe I'm sparing myself some humiliation lol.

I just don't know really. I know it's certainly my desire to win, but in the end that experience seems a dime a dozen, and the added pressure of items that will be unavailable possibly forever makes it seem arduous. I'm not necessarily asking for answers more than I am speaking from my heart, but I do wonder if others, maybe a majority, have a similar distaste for the CC experience as myself.

I don't intend to return here. I don't think I'll even read the replies. I just felt the need to get it off my chest and put my expression of a gamemode that I want to enjoy and see a sense of satisfaction for the things I earn from it. At least a daily frontline can suffice for now.

If I do get humiliated for this post, It'd be hard to, since I've no pride left. That's one thing I can give CC compliments for: keeping me from arrogance. It's a shame I won't play it if I don't have to.

P.S. Give us party mode pvp. Playing with friends is the only way for me to possibly like it.

PvP in FFXIV is an accquired taste, I'd recommend trying other games, and not getting mired in the disaster that the FFXIV pvp forums are.

oh and its allways the same classes bcause its unbalanced as fuck

The answer is possibly that as said above it's an acquired taste. I can't speak for all MMOs pvp, but so far it seems to be within the same bounds for me. What I appreciate is the mechanics behind.

I could potentially see the mode being off-putting to a lot of people due to its high lethality actually, you can get deleted very fast, especially when CCed in a bad position, and I guess it can feel frustrating. I know there is various multiplayer games with different degrees of lethality and the best example I can think of the difference between say, Dota2 and HotS for example.

You play so much that you become numb to losing. That's the ticket to enjoyment, my friend.

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Originally Posted by Tehmon

You play so much that you become numb to losing. That's the ticket to enjoyment, my friend.

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soo.... basicly go full stockholm syndrome?

By not playing.

Bonuses of not playing:
- No FOMO
- No need to wonder why your team fails at the most simplest thing to do in the game (Standing on the crystal)

Get good at NIN and solo carry every match with no counter play.

Just find the job you enjoy, move the crystal, and just preemptively accept the fact that its completely random if you win or lose.

Its unbalanced to begin with so there is no strategy to winning when everything is random.

It's not really something that can be defined for you. If you enjoy it enough to play despite the utter randomness of even ranked match making you do. If you don't I wouldn't bother. No sense making yourself miserable in an attempt to enjoy something you don't.

As for tab targeting, I find a key bind for closest enemy helps a lot but I also just mouse people often. This isn't great advice since you may play with controller (sorry if so).

The time gated stuff has been mostly meh and the rated locked stuff is not worth the time unless you really like minor ascetics. I glam the NIN weapon for instance, but I only play it in PVP. So mostly pointless. The frames are worse as they mostly shout focus me or "I'm that guy" to anyone who sees them. It's basically PVPs legend status. It should mean something, but we mostly heckle it as it was free across multiple seasons.

Yeah, the stun locking is commonly disliked. I agree the huge 99.9% to 100% comebacks suck. I would rather play two games in that time and maybe even win both than win a single 20+ minute game. Again, much of the Overtime design is commonly disliked.

I would hope nobody would humiliate you for asking a legitimate question and voicing your point of view but if you do return, please don't let any negative rhetoric get you down. If you enjoy the combat I hope you continue to play, but the rewards just aren't worth it alone.

I love the hell pup minions from pvp and had them following me around quite often before as being my favourites, some old mounts are awesome too. In the end I still adore my wolf mount from arr and often have hawk minion out cause I started as summoner and Hawkers Alley was once my parking spot. These things mean someting nice to me, there are good memories attached to getting those items. So here you are considering grinding content that will likely leave you with bad memories which will remain attached to the rewards you get. Is it worth it? I'd say not but that's a perspective of a casual player. The new rewards from cc are the definition of not all that shines is gold...or crystal. Ranked cc is toxic, even casual is! Right now I just can't deal with being mocked and humiliated by people who are as often in my team as in the enemy one. You were talking about morale and yes it hurts when it gets destroyed but again in my experience it's teammates that kill it not defeats themselves. You have no idea of the level of intimidation you can get just cause people don't like your job, your name or think you are beneath them on skill level! You would think that it's in team's interest to support you rather than put you down but nah, they will put a marker on you to make sure you know how much they don't want you there. Even though I get some random commendations I feel unwelcome at the beginning of every match. That's my heartfelt reality. I'm done with this ranked bs! I mean ranked cc...

CC is pure trash. there obvious cheating and win throwing involved when it comes to rank. half the time people don't play. SE does't do anything because they simply don't care.

Ranked CC generally isn't fun because of all the cheeto dust floating around in the air. One look at the attitudes of Ranked players on these forums is enough to turn anyone away from even considering it. Toxic, and condescending attitudes mixed with newer players never ends well, not to mention the harassment they dish out to people after matches, not exclusive to ranked obviously but more often than not thats where its going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Bluish

I love the hell pup minions from pvp and had them following me around quite often before as being my favourites, some old mounts are awesome too. In the end I still adore my wolf mount from arr and often have hawk minion out cause I started as summoner and Hawkers Alley was once my parking spot. These things mean someting nice to me, there are good memories attached to getting those items. So here you are considering grinding content that will likely leave you with bad memories which will remain attached to the rewards you get. Is it worth it? I'd say not but that's a perspective of a casual player. The new rewards from cc are the definition of not all that shines is gold...or crystal. Ranked cc is toxic, even casual is! Right now I just can't deal with being mocked and humiliated by people who are as often in my team as in the enemy one. You were talking about morale and yes it hurts when it gets destroyed but again in my experience it's teammates that kill it not defeats themselves. You have no idea of the level of intimidation you can get just cause people don't like your job, your name or think you are beneath them on skill level! You would think that it's in team's interest to support you rather than put you down but nah, they will put a marker on you to make sure you know how much they don't want you there. Even though I get some random commendations I feel unwelcome at the beginning of every match. That's my heartfelt reality. I'm done with this ranked bs! I mean ranked cc...

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I'm not fond of top rankers as well, but tbh on Light not all of them are shitters. Everybody gets a BM mark from time to time, and while it doesn't mean that it's okay or great, I tend to see this as a way to put things into perspective because ultimately when this happens, it's because some baby couldn't keep their salt in check. Fact of the matter is, while skill levels may of course differ (I will never deny that the top 10-15 are incredibly skilled players), everybody does stupid mistakes. They're just usually too blind to see their own. I'm sure you have also seen some of the best melees suddenly suiciding into the enemy team and griefing the whole opener because they thought they could pull it off.

Well I realize that ultimately my reply doesn't really address the problem, and I do agree that kind of atmosphere is pretty repelling in a way. And then you end up with the same players complaining the queues are dead once all the people they harassed has decided to go do something else instead.

I'm not sure if you were talking about yourself or in general, but for a casual you're still playing in diamond, so I wouldn't downplay your own skill that much. Also this patch has been extra rough for bards.

I think the answer to this is not "How do I make CC enjoyable" and more "How do I make CC less frustrating." The secret is to care as little as the PVP team does about it. It's really sad too because over the years of playing this, lots of people I talked to didn't want to play because they didn't know what to do or were afraid that everyone was going to yell at them. It feels like 6 years later, I hear the same thing when trying to get new friends to join PVP.

hmm i have a friend who sorta had the same problem aside from the time exclusive rewards and they fixed it by integrating an RP element into their pvp, i cant really convey it properly but the gist is they chose a class made a back story and centered it around pvp
the example i was given was a viking WAR spending their days in Valhalla, not saying itll help but if youre really trying to make pvp enjoyable for yourself then you should take a sec to see wut you value more the rewards or the experience, from wut i gather and i could be wrong its seems you lean more towards the rewards which in itself isnt bad it just creates an extra pressure on yourself, and lastly regarding your question if anyone else feels the same way, to extent i sorta have that feeling there are times where i do hate this game as well as it feels like im being punished(specifically by the servers) but in all honesty that feeling washes away after a win(especially when its against a toxic player) but best of luck ad if youre looking to improve i recommend joining one of the many pvp discords