Delete healers

Give everyone a self heal already.

Healers will never be fun ever again. Cut it down and end its suffering.

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No thanks. I enjoy playing healers.

There's ending your suffering by dropping the role entirely.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Give everyone a self heal already.

Healers will never be fun ever again. Cut it down and end its suffering.

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But who will I play god over? The blood for the Blood Lily must continue!

This is why I play Paladin I can feel semi supportive without the 1 button rotation
Dungeon runs without healers (or when 2 DPS is alive and im keeping em alive as tank, that's actually pretty fun to me) can actually be a lot of fun and choice making with that playing healer doesn't give me, even if something goes wrong i have so much resources alone, if it's a WAR/PLD or even a GNB they can already handle themselves and likely another player

My main issues with healers in general is more or less the one button rotation and never really the choice to actually use any of your damage loss healing spells, healers to me are just slight resource management without rotation

It's likely different on harder fights, but at the same time people did kind of clear without any healers, just PLD's, wars and a lot of dps with healing/boosting healing abilities. Which I don't think it's a issue with those jobs, its a issue with healers actual gcd heals never being needed, it's a issue with a lack of outgoing damage.

I think one healer runs are at least somewhat acceptable? especially if you have a lot of support based jobs to cover that weakness, but none? that's pretty wild. I'm just saying this mainly from a casual healer perspective, I've done a few savage runs and EXTs (nothing really recent either) as tank I'm not exactly a expert on fight design, but healers should feel important for all types of content at least.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

This is why I play Paladin I can feel semi supportive without the 1 button rotation
Dungeon runs without healers (or when 2 DPS is alive and im keeping em alive as tank, that's actually pretty fun to me) can actually be a lot of fun and choice making with that playing healer doesn't give me, even if something goes wrong i have so much resources alone, if it's a WAR/PLD or even a GNB they can already handle themselves and likely another player

My main issues with healers in general is more or less the one button rotation and never really the choice to actually use any of your damage loss healing spells, healers to me are just slight resource management without rotation

It's likely different on harder fights, but at the same time people did kind of clear without any healers, just PLD's, wars and a lot of dps with healing/boosting healing abilities. Which I don't think it's a issue with those jobs, its a issue with healers actual gcd heals never being needed, it's a issue with a lack of outgoing damage.

I think one healer runs are at least somewhat acceptable? especially if you have a lot of support based jobs to cover that weakness, but none? that's pretty wild. I'm just saying this mainly from a casual healer perspective, I've done a few savage runs and EXTs (nothing really recent either) as tank I'm not exactly a expert on fight design, but healers should feel important for all types of content at least.

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This is why tank healing should be nerfed into the ground.



Tanks are the problem here. Or one of them. Healers having too many ogcds is another.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

This is why tank healing should be nerfed into the ground.



Tanks are the problem here. Or one of them. Healers having too many ogcds is another.

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No that's not even close to correct, ruining tanks to be more bland isn't the solution.
Healers & Tanks should both work together actually to keep you sustained and alive, The Issue is damage outgoing, Healers and tanks should actually have to work together that's a lot more fun then one Job having 90% of the responsibility. So Increasing damage output is better.

The only healing I want to see nerfed is Warriors Aoe healing because that's actually just stupid and makes healers useless, It should just heal 400 potency for all mobs similar to PLD.

Do any of your various boosted troll accounts actually have any healer jobs unlocked? Just saying, it would seem more believable if you had posted this using one of those.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

This is why tank healing should be nerfed into the ground.



Tanks are the problem here. Or one of them. Healers having too many ogcds is another.

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I think another issue is that status effects are uncommon, and seemingly after ARR - uncurable by Healers if someone is afflicted aside from the once every 5 minutes mechanic for Doom in a boss here and there. Status effects are things in other MMO's I had to watch for and cleanse - whereas here most of the time casting Esuna does nothing even if it seems like it should.

Healers could be more interesting with more to do outside a DPS rotation. I already have all the DPS classes for that.

AST at least has cards to feel productive and busier but other healers can feel more basic on what they have available to do.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

No that's not even close to correct, ruining tanks to be more bland isn't the solution.
Healers & Tanks should both work together actually to keep you sustained and alive, The Issue is damage outgoing, Healers and tanks should actually have to work together that's a lot more fun then one Job having 90% of the responsibility. So Increasing damage output is better.

The only healing I want to see nerfed is Warriors Aoe healing because that's actually just stupid and makes healers useless, It should just heal 400 potency for all mobs similar to PLD.

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If the damage worked that way, in high end content, it wouldn't work the way tank heals are staggered. If damage output was consistent, tanks would get utterly rekt when their own healing was down. And it's not "ruining tanks", it's taking things back to how they used to be.



I was a PLD for all of 2.0 and 3.0, and parts of 4.0 and 5.0.
PLD never felt better than during 2.0, imo. That's when damage incoming felt best. I had CD rotations for every savage fight, it took skill to stay alive.



Then they got turned into glorified dps and now healers. It's no longer a tank role, and it bores me.



This game has turned tanks into healers far more than was ever necessary.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

But who will I play god over? The blood for the Blood Lily must continue!

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

This is why tank healing should be nerfed into the ground.

Tanks are the problem here. Or one of them. Healers having too many ogcds is another.

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This is entirely correct.

The reason Healers don't have to heal is because literally everyone else is healing and mitigating out the wazoo, often without a DPS loss at all for doing so (DNC Curing Waltz, WAR using Nascent on someone, etc) or even as part of their own rotations (all Tank self-heals, SMN Phoenix), before even having to resort to actual DPS loss healing on par with Healers' big single target heals (Clemency and 2x Vercure).

The other problem is that Healers have so many oGCD heals, they never NEED to GCD heal in most content. oGCD heals should augment and support GCD heals, or be for clutch emergencies, not be the standard and bulk of healing or a "healing plan" that removes all actual decision from the encounter itself.

Encounter damage also needs to be restructured from occasional damage spikes with large downtime to consistent partywide damage with the occasional spikes that have to be responded to.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Do any of your various boosted troll accounts actually have any healer jobs unlocked? Just saying, it would seem more believable if you had posted this using one of those.

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Any idea whose alt this one is? Never really encountered him until a day or two ago and he spent yesterday stalking me across threads to insult me while providing nothing of value.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

No thanks. I enjoy playing healers.

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Agreed. Tons of people enjoy Healers.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I think another issue is that status effects are uncommon, ...
Healers could be more interesting with more to do outside a DPS rotation. I already have all the DPS classes for that.

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Also agreed. It's like people don't realize DPS Jobs exist. "We need more damage buttons on Healers", "But...we have DPS Jobs for that?"

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If the damage worked that way, in high end content, it wouldn't work the way tank heals are staggered. If damage output was consistent, tanks would get utterly rekt when their own healing was down. And it's not "ruining tanks", it's taking things back to how they used to be.



I was a PLD for all of 2.0 and 3.0, and parts of 4.0 and 5.0.
PLD never felt better than during 2.0, imo. That's when damage incoming felt best. I had CD rotations for every savage fight, it took skill to stay alive.



Then they got turned into glorified dps and now healers. It's no longer a tank role, and it bores me.



This game has turned tanks into healers far more than was ever necessary.

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It feels like you're upset over tanks having self sustain, which if you look at Warrior has been a thing for a while. It's not always been a thing on PLD, PLD was more known for it's lack of sustain before endwalker.

Removing sustain from tanks wouldn't really fix Healer design, Sustain and Support has been apart of tanking for a long time, You could possibly limit it but "nerfing it into the ground?" seems a bit strong and just feels like you're actually taking away more from tanks then they deserve, I mean you don't have any sort of proper aggro management or boss positioning, I don't really want to see Tanks turned into glorified DPS. It's highly unlikely they will go back on aggro management aswell.

Again it's not impossible to make healing more enjoyable without butchering tanks sustain to the point where the healer is the only person who's in charge of your selfhealing/sustain, I actually like having some self healing tools as a Tank it's fun for me and a lot of people who play tank currently.

I don't think having a single target self sustain and some GCD attacks that sustain you is too much self healing, Warrior maybe? but even then warrior tends to lack more mitigation and has generally been about sustaining themselves.

I don't think every tank should have the same or massive amounts of sustain, it's nice to have variety and differences, this is why in general Dark Knight is fine defensively actually it's the most tanky tank despite lacking any sustain So It really doesn't feel like sustain is actually the issue.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I don't really want to see Tanks turned into glorified DPS.

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Tanks in this game have just been DPS that can take a hit for a long time now.

They could pull the bandaid off and attempt to do what GW2 did with support. Old green team really did feel like a support role in the classical cleric sense. Not a huge fan of the modern healer.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Any idea whose alt this one is? Never really encountered him until a day or two ago and he spent yesterday stalking me across threads to insult me while providing nothing of value.

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He tends to do that to me too. I recommend viewing his need for your attention as a compliment and then block. Like, I can't even read the OP so just responding to others and the general thread topic here, but I doubt I missed anything of value.

He may log into one of his ??? number of other accounts to trick you into spending more time on him, but typically someone in a thread will figure it out so you can block that one too.

It's like a whack-a-mole minigame for me at this point.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

This is entirely correct.The reason Healers don't have to heal is because literally everyone else is healing and mitigating out the wazoo, often without a DPS loss at all for doing so (DNC Curing Waltz, WAR using Nascent on someone, etc) or even as part of their own rotations (all Tank self-heals, SMN Phoenix), before even having to resort to actual DPS loss healing on par with Healers' big single target heals (Clemency and 2x Vercure).

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It's certainly a big part of it. I do also think that fights have generally gotten slower with more of an emphasis on puzzles as opposed to throwing sheer damage at the group as well though. It's an unhealthy chunk of both and IMO both angles need looking at to solve things decently.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

No thanks. I enjoy playing healers.

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Guess the game isnt easy enough, gotta play the 1-button role

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Guess the game isnt easy enough, gotta play the 1-button role

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Oh, it's you again.

I press more than one button. Been maining healers for a long time now and while in most content they could be more exciting it doesn't change that I get enjoyment from that role.

I must be in such a small minority that enjoys healing and mains WHM. Maybe it’s because I don’t raid. Maybe it’s because I focus on doing DPS as well as heal.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Any idea whose alt this one is? Never really encountered him until a day or two ago and he spent yesterday stalking me across threads to insult me while providing nothing of value.

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It's the same guy. Skiros, HunkyGladiator, Knot_D, GaiusDrakon, any Highlander or Hrothgar that have the same face.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

It's the same guy. Skiros, HunkyGladiator, Knot_D, GaiusDrakon, any Highlander or Hrothgar that have the same face.

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I'm not actually sure he's knot_d, they don't really have similar posting styles and knot doesn't usually create terrible threads, which are TitanMens forte lol.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

It's the same guy. Skiros, HunkyGladiator, Knot_D, GaiusDrakon, any Highlander or Hrothgar that have the same face.

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Knot isn’t part of that ^_^

Also one thing I find funny, watch them go on their alts to like each other’s posts to make it seem as if most people silently agree with them and to create the illusion of a stronger argument

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Knot isn’t part of that ^_^

Also one thing I find funny, watch them go on their alts to like each other’s posts to make it seem as if most people silently agree with them and to create the illusion of a stronger argument

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I noticed that as well, haha.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I noticed that as well, haha.

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It’s so hilarious even at times when almost nobody is active on the forums, they write one thing and get a bunch of likes in less than a minute :D

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Knot isn’t part of that ^_^

Also one thing I find funny, watch them go on their alts to like each other’s posts to make it seem as if most people silently agree with them and to create the illusion of a stronger argument

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Is THAT what's going on?

Always wondered why, no matter how stupid the post is, it instantly gets ~3-6 likes. That explains a lot, haha!

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Is THAT what's going on?

Always wondered why, no matter how stupid the post is, it instantly gets ~3-6 likes. That explains a lot, haha!

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Yes you are getting a crash course in FFXIV Forums: 101 haha.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Is THAT what's going on?

Always wondered why, no matter how stupid the post is, it instantly gets ~3-6 likes. That explains a lot, haha!

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Yeah haha so don’t get discouraged when you see old megathreads with thousands of posts sometimes getting close to no likes but as soon as one of them posts BAM, 15 likes instantly

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Yeah haha so don’t get discouraged when you see old megathreads with thousands of posts sometimes getting close to no likes but as soon as one of them posts BAM, 15 likes instantly

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I'm glad something productive came out of this thread, since obviously "delete healers" Isn't going to happen.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I'm glad something productive came out of this thread, since obviously "delete healers" Isn't going to happen.

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It’s the same old attention grab with zero strong reasoning behind, it’s obvious SE isn’t going to remove healers so just another pointless thread with the only intention to stir people up

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

It's the same guy. Skiros, HunkyGladiator, Knot_D, GaiusDrakon, any Highlander or Hrothgar that have the same face.

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Hey I told you I'm not him wtf??

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Hey I told you I'm not him wtf??

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Visually I can see why this confuses people, but your post history is far too intelligent and self-aware to be him IMO. Unless he actually has a multiple-personality disorder and this is one of the better ones lol.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Visually I can see why this confuses people, but your post history is far too intelligent and self-aware to be him IMO. Unless he actually has a multiple-personality disorder and this is one of the better ones lol.

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That and he doesn't really troll. Plus, he's on a JP server, and I haven't seen any of Skiros' alts that weren't on NA.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That and he doesn't really troll. Plus, he's on a JP server, and I haven't seen any of Skiros' alts that weren't on NA.

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Inb4 a new account appears from Japan just because you said this ;^;

Bit of a shame he trolls here so much because I'm pretty sure I had him in my Copied party the other day and he was pretty funny in alliance chat

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Visually I can see why this confuses people, but your post history is far too intelligent and self-aware to be him IMO. Unless he actually has a multiple-personality disorder and this is one of the better ones lol.

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So Knot_D is Killer 7 and has multiple personalities and a few of them are trying to kill the other personalities.

Also the audacity for that lizard called me a same guy while they're using same Face 1 Au Ra that people used in every world. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...5520851999.png

Anyways, Warrior is the true healer. :)

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Knot isn’t part of that ^_^

Also one thing I find funny, watch them go on their alts to like each other’s posts to make it seem as if most people silently agree with them and to create the illusion of a stronger argument

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LMAO

You guys can't handle people liking my posts and getting ratioed so come up with this conspiracy theory

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Hey I told you I'm not him wtf??

https://media.tenor.com/S0Ra2O2NLngA...r-attacked.gif

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Rofl

They went on 4chan too much and got brain rot because that's what 4chan thinks