Yoshi, please bring back magic def

Elemental resist would be fine except you have to build a set for each element and with bosses like chimera who use multiple elements makes prioritizing resist more complicated. Either give us a elemental resist materia that is for every element or simply bring back magic def. I normally dont care for those who complain needlessly about game aspects that arent realy broken just not easy to acomidate. But, when your healer takes as much damage from magic attacks as your tank, somthing is wrong with that.

Also, if you do decide to bring back some sort or magic def stat, please slot them in gear that is currently without good options

sugestions: magic def for the feet and hands. I do know that you gave us block rate for the hands but as far as I am concerned between abilties alone I am more then willing to use that slot for somthing as usefull as magic def.

Seriously , magic def, yes please :) t

We have it. It's called magic evasion

A half compromise would be allowing Veils to go on multiple slots.

The chance to partial or completely resist via Magic Evasion. But a failed resist results in Vitality and Elemental Resist to come into play to reduce the damage.

Magic Defense would be a nice stat to have.

I think there should be a magic defence stat. Yes, there is a magical evasion stat, but if you think about it, physical damage have both defence and evasion, why shouldn't magical damage have both magical defence and magical evasion?

well Dlvl from boss still would make all the magic def and evasion in the world useless.

not true, people say the same thing about physical def, but I have proven time and time again high def works great in boss fights soo long as you have its counterpart (vit) to half the value of that of your def. I would imagine bringing back magic def would prolly run on the same system as physical def, it would likely have a counter stat that "unlocks" its full potential, considering that PLDs already need mind for heals , that would be a great enhancment stat for magic def, the same way vit is for def. Hell , if they just gave us a 1:1 elemental resist for every mind point we have , I would settle for that, better then having no real answer to magic damage except more hp :/

Hate to bring this thread back, but considering the consequences of its implications , I think some response from a developer on the subject is apropriate. Magic defense coming back to the game would be a game changer as far as how tanks are built and how fights are handled.

If I may be soo bold as to add some sugestions , I would realy like a response for a developer as far as the likelyhood of the reaplication of magic defense.

1: mind would be an excelent canidate for a raw stat that influinced magic def, as it is used by whms and pld tanks , using mind as a magic def modifier would only make sense in my opinion

2: Using an existing defensive stat as a indicator of how much magic defense gear/materia/abilities, ect ect, would get also would make sense. For example, if a peice of gear has 150 def then it would come with 75 magic defense, or possably doing a 1:1 using vit as the indicator, example, a peice of gear that normaly has no vit but hq version has 10 vit would imply that the hq version would also have 10 magic defense. Somthing like this would also alow for other jobs to have apropriate amount of magic defense.

Please if you have any thoughts or ideas on the subject, please submit them. My goal is for the developers to take this subject seriously , again, the implication of magic defense on gear, abilities, ect, ect, would be a game changer of sorts.

Would be cool have a magic class tank , like the old thau.

I actually personally like what they did with magical defense as-is. Take into account I never saw how M.Def worked before but they got a neat concept.
Every magical damage is elemental (at least from te likes of it). And instead of a single M.Def value you have various Elemental Defense (E.Def) values.

What they really, really need to do is implement more gear with E.Def! Hell, perhaps there could even be pieces of gear that add a value to all the E.Defs, and other specialized gear with high E.Def values.

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Originally Posted by Skies

I actually personally like what they did with magical defense as-is. Take into account I never saw how M.Def worked before but they got a neat concept.
Every magical damage is elemental (at least from te likes of it). And instead of a single M.Def value you have various Elemental Defense (E.Def) values.

What they really, really need to do is implement more gear with E.Def! Hell, perhaps there could even be pieces of gear that add a value to all the E.Defs, and other specialized gear with high E.Def values.

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yeah we are kinda saying the same thing , adding value to magical based attacks ( elemental attacks) defenses. I just think bringing back magic def would simplify the situation , altho in 11 , they did have both elemental def and magic def. LOL Just wish a dev would respond and give us some Idea of weather or not this aspect will be fixed or not.

No, you didn't. In FF11 you had magic resist and elemental resistances, both which acted in the same way as magic evasion.

There was no real magic defence stat that would increase naturally as you leveled, like your defence would. The result of this was that a level 60 mob could take away 50% of your HP with a spell even if you were level 80+, if you were unlucky and didn't resist or partially resist (evade) it. Of course, you would resist and partially resist more often, but this is still unbalanced in regards to physical attacks, where you can both evade the attacks, and take less damage when you fail to evade them. It's not like it was impossible to fight mage mobs of a lower level than you, but you basically had to have a stun ready to stop whatever they were casting, if you wanted to kill them with any sort of efficiency. That meant most melee jobs were SOL until dnc was implemented. Unless they had leveled drk and subbed that.

Of course, you would get a tiny bit of magical defense from your mnd stat, but ask a mnk how much def he gets from his vit with counterstance up, and you'll understand how much magic defence your mnd would give you.

Defensive stats in 11 were:
physical - magical
vit - mnd
evasion - magic resist (includes elemental resist)
defense - nothing

The only thing that resembles magical defence is "-magical damage taken", but the physical equivalent of this isn't "defence", it's "-physical damage taken". This is also a stat that doesn't increase naturally as you level up, like all other defensive stats do.

tl;dr: Neither FF11 or FF14 has a proper mdef stat, and I wish both got one.

In case i wasn't clear with my first post, magic evasion IS magic defence with different name :||

I disagree. It's a chance of negating damage, like evasion is a chance of negating damage. Of course, the effect over time will be that you die less often to magic, but it's still not the same as having an actual magic defense stat

Too bad you don't *evade* a magic like a phisical attack. Instead working on magic evasion, you raise your chance to reduce magical damage , like a magic defence stat

Yeah. I guess magical evasion is more like parrying. So now we have no magical evasion, no magical defence, but magical parry!

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yeah. I guess magical evasion is more like parrying. So now we have no magical evasion, no magical defence, but magical parry!

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Yeah, troll if you find amusing

>< , pretty sure 11 had magic def, but then again I stoped playing over 3 years ago soo.... at any rate, magic defensive stats would be a nice counter mesure to any tank class, even if they have to add a trait like " matches elemental resistance to that of physical defense" soo that not all classes could use magic def. but, I do belive that mages should be naturally high in magic resistance, maybe tying magic def to a stat like mind (increases magic acc and healing pot.) would prolly not be such a bad Idea, especially considering its already used by PLD as a damage modifier and healing poteincy, pretty sure its a hate modifier for at least one abilty, fast blade to flat blade combo if memory serves me right.

we have magic eva, magic crit hit +/-

we have elements like fire +/-15

we have protect

we were OP with magic def & back when we had a manual shield people were able to tank lv99's before the stat change.

i wouldnt mind seeing magic DEF come back to the game. It would help like you said tanking the bosses in dungeons

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Yeah, troll if you find amusing

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Sure, pretend like I'm trolling if you don't have anything smart to say. Works every time.

I'd like to leave the armor as it is, but add the ability to level each specific elemental def bonus on it. by fighting mobs that use the specific E. dmg that you want to focus on. once you've leveled the armor part 100% for all elements, it turns into "untradable" if it's not already, after a big fat warning ofc, but after that, you can choose what element you want to defensively focus on before you equip it.

maybe the amount of E.def should scale to the native amount of Def the part has. just an idea.

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Originally Posted by indira

we have magic eva, magic crit hit +/-

we have elements like fire +/-15

we have protect




we were OP with magic def & back when we had a manual shield people were able to tank lv99's before the stat change.

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All the magic defensive stats we have are very minimal, and altho i would agree that magic def was broken and OPed us, I would disagree with thinking that we are fine the way things are. Again, there should be no reason why the damage taken by an elemental attack on a tank should come close to that of a mage or dd. As far as the elemental resist materia, Off the top of my head I can list several problems with this as an option

1: it is placed in slots that vit, and or def would otherwise go, making it unreasonably difficult to build gear to prepair for any boss fight.

2: to be prepaired for every type of elemental fight you would need several diffrent sets of armor

3: from my own test, the materia would need a MAJOR boost in stat effect or number. As a double melded fire resist (teir 3) proved to make very little differance on the actual elemental damage taken from Ifrit's Inferno. After adding fire reisist in every possable slot i managed to build an additonal 156 fire resist , wich did make a noticable differance but left the physical defense aspect of my gear extreemly weak, ultimatly was not worth the trade off as ALL boss fights currently deal more physical damage then magical damage overall.

simply put, even the slightest increase in magic def and/or the ability to build magic def, like we can normal def on gear, would be an aspect that should be part of the game, at the very least they could keep everything the same, and give us back capes like in ffxi that had +20 somthing elemental resist of every element on it. they already have the capability to add this , you should notice a complete list of elements and a space with the number 0 to add a value in wich would either increase or decrease resistance to that particular element all they would need to due is add an apropriate number value to each peice of gear to bring back magic def.