Just wanted to suggest bringing back gear with stats as rewards in PvP (does not effect PvP uniquely, EDIT: meaning stats specifically for PvE), and perhaps make them akin to crafting gear- so perhaps to upgrade them takes tomes.
For example a new set is released and has decent stats, like crafting, then a new wave of ilvls are released, crafting gear gets it's tome upgrade. PvP could have tomes to upgrade (or alliance raid tokens). Then rather than having to make a new set, the next step could be attaching SFX to the gear when you upgrade it. Cost effective, and gives a lot of potential /new/ items to PvP. Like imagine the really cool BLM staff with the animated eye, but now it has an SFX- that's relic quality!
Keep whatever takes the combination as a non-new item, like literally use rain + pvp item (the thing that you use to upgrade crafted gear). Just also use some PvE stuff to ensure players did have to do that too lol (like rain, or alliance raid tokens). Bear in mind we two PvP tokens to choose from, so that can be a component to making these.
Thanks for reading :)
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05-08-2023, 07:23 AMShougunGear w/ Stats, akin to Crafting Gear, + SFX / Relic Like Opportunity
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05-08-2023, 04:31 PMValence
To make sure I understand this right, you're advocating for making pvp a source of pve gear with decent stats? I'm all for more sources of pve gear especially for casuals in pve, so I'd definitely support this. Becomes tricky to find exactly how it should compare in power to other sets (crafted? unaugmented tomestones? augmented tomestones? savage? when does it unlock on the patch timeline if so? etc).
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05-08-2023, 04:50 PMShougunThe first for sure, not the latter lol. I was one of the people advocating for removing stats from PvP back when it was a thing XD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valence
In terms of stats I'd just say roughly parallel- which would also need to consider time / cost, don't want it to displace things because it's too easy. Definitely good gear if it uses the new token system.
My thought would be it comes in steps so you can follow along with the progression of other gears, hence also including the rain concept crafted gear uses (and may as well follow that power level / release schedule). Beyond steps, if they wanted they could also introduce it's own unique materia system. Two slots might be purchased by pvp tokens and helps determine secondary stat distribution, then power level might be some sort of crafted reagent and maybe some crushed materia lol. Maybe a third slot to determine SFX, /shrug. Lots of ideas on how to balance it out, the general thought being that the gear progresses and maybe easy to get an okay set but via progression would be acceptable PvE gear in 'current' content.
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05-08-2023, 05:58 PMReinhardt_Azureheim
As long as the gear is entry level PVE like normal mode and crafted and can maybe be upgraded later like crafted, I see no issues.
To anyone complaining that PVP "shouldnt be required to raid in PVE" assuming anyone is dense enough to say it, its not a requirement, it would just be a third method to obtain entry level gear. Crafted will still outperform due to pentamelding anyways.
So I say, YES, actually reward people for playing PVP, let them do what they like and still progress in the game. -
05-11-2023, 01:08 AMValence
tbh if it even becomes a consideration into BiS pve sets, I'd 200% support this just to hear the screeching from the balance players & liveletter translation. :D
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05-11-2023, 02:38 AMTeno
I play every job in PvP, and only a few jobs in PvE because gearing them all even on a normal raid level is such a pain to me. I'd be all for an alternate way to do that, even if the ilvl is something like 5ilvl lower than normal raid.
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05-11-2023, 02:44 AMRansu
I wouldn't mind that.
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05-11-2023, 04:01 AMLlynethil
Would be cool to have, but I would like to keep the glam only gear aswell alongside, I like having more options for glamming a low lvl alt using the pvp rewards that are lvl1.
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05-11-2023, 07:02 AMReinhardt_Azureheim
Imma be perfectly honest, I'm surprised how well the idea of receiving PVE gear from enjoying PVP is received. Not that Im complaining, of course.
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05-11-2023, 07:48 AMRansuAs long as gear has no impact on pvp I'm perfectly fine with an alternative path to gearing. Its the same reason I think the criterion dungeons should have alternative gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim
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05-11-2023, 08:29 AMCommander_Justitia
we had that, they removed it because they wanted to make casual for the masses, PvP wasnt always accessible with lvl30... it used to be max lvl 50/60
and on top of that you needed PvP GC Rank to even buy some of the higher ilvl gear...
Then they opted for lvl1 gear, so casuals and newbies can still glam the new gear, ofc it was a bad move for any veteran players who could have used the gear
Maybe you didn't notice yet, but this game caters with their decisions a lot to new/entry/trialtype players. It must be more lucrative to get a bigger playerbase than designing a game for the ones who play it longterm.
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05-12-2023, 03:26 AMRansuOP not saying the gear should be for pvp. The old system we had was strictly pvp gear with pvp stats. OP is simply suggesting pvp as another alternative to earn tokens for pve gear and its upgrades, which I don't see a problem with as long as the job you queued as is level 90. Its no different than how it works now where you have to have a level 90 job queued to earn the current tomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
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05-12-2023, 03:44 AMTenoWell gearing alts has always been a pain in FFXIV, and at least a new way to do so would be nice for people who'd rather do FL/RW/CC. And it's not like people would be asking for savage gear, but something that allows to function decently on a dungeon/extreme level would be good already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim
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05-12-2023, 08:09 AMCommander_JustitiaWe had PvP gear that could be used for PvE, and they removed it, because of the reasons I said. Im not saying it should be for PvP only. The old system wasnt strictly PvP gear, the substats were random. It had a morale stat but that didnt block you from using it in PvE. Garo gear was even closer to max PvE ilvl I think, than the previous PvP gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ransu
But then they made PvP for LvL30 and the gear became LvL1, why would they change that? All the low level players couldnt buy the gear then. And that is something SE wants to prevent. -
05-12-2023, 08:22 AMShougun
Can always incorporate the stat-less version into the progression. Step 1, lvl 1 glamour gear, step 2 stats, 3 upgraded stats to match ilvl creep. I don't really see a challenge in solving that issue.
Alternatively it could have stat sync to them... which would be pretty wild... (like the earrings). Would potentially mess with crafted gear when new jobs are added though. As PvP gear would become epicly useful due to QoL.
Can make it have a floor sync. Can wear at any level, doesn't apply stats unless X level or above. Which would make the progression system easier (gear for level 80 would for example be available to all levels but in the stats section it would state stats apply at level 80 and above). Step 1 buy gear, 2 upgrade it.
/shrug, I mean SE may be scared about adding the option which is the point of this thread to say don't be scared it sounds great.. but in terms of execution I think there are a lot of options. -
05-12-2023, 09:31 AMCommander_Justitia1st method seems to be too good, wolfmarks arent a weekly cap currency, it could be better than PvE gear then. Would be forcing PvE players to play PvP to max out. So it couldnt be allowed to be that high ilvl. And if you destroy it you have to do all steps again? errgh, means you gotta keep them in your inventory for next patches when the upgrades are. Not really suitableQuote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
2nd method like you said, could be pretty strong and make a lot of other sources of gear irrelevant. Crafters will sell nothing, only high lvl gear where the bots determine the price already anyway.
3rd method I could get behind, dual use item, glam and PvE item at certain level, easy and simple. Though they would have to adjust their glamour system for it and recode stuff, not sure if they want it. E.g. usually you arent allowed to glam lvl 80 gear on lvl 20 gear, with this method you would be. So it would have to only affect this certain gear but not other normal gear, so all PvP gear gets to have an exception flag or something.
They could also offer 2 versions, with different costs. One for just glamouring, than an second upgraded looking version, that maybe looks stronger and more detailed or is just dyeable, that is the max lvl version. But it would also cost more wolfmarks.
Still dont understand why they are not adding any longterm rewards for PvP players, a PvP relic system, maybe based on wolf collar weapons or additional PvP ranks past level 50 that could unlock mounts at lvl 100 or 200. It would be just a prestige grind item.
They should also add aetheryte tickets for wolfmarks...
But bro, this game is now 10 years or so lol, they missed this 'content potential' for years which would bind people longterm and give them a reason to play PvP. It is cheaper to do a fanfest tournament I guess. -
05-12-2023, 10:27 AMRansuThey didn't remove it. The gear is still available, they just removed the pvp stat that was tied to it.Quote:
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The system could literally be as simple as letting us use the crystal currency from the series pass, but just have like a cap of how much you can spend on the pve gear. -
05-12-2023, 10:43 AMCommander_Justitia~They removed the concept of having PvE gear from PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ransu
A system that doesnt exist yet. How does the system know how much you spent last week? Or if you miss a time period, even if you PvPd to get crystal currency, you have to wait to get additional items?
And even if there is no cap, there could be people who havent exchanged all their crystals from last series. It is not that simple.
The cheapest way is they just add both versions. Or let us upgrade the lvl1 to lvl 90. -
05-12-2023, 11:09 AMRansuIt wasn't pve gear to begin with... You seem to be missing this point that the gear originally was pvp gear with a pvp stat. When they removed the pvp stats and normalized everyone's stats they started stepping back on gear with other stats on them and became glamour rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
I doubt its that difficult to tie a currency limit to a specific vendor with "X amount left available to spend at this vendor."