Regarding Dyes

One of the things I like about FFXIV is its dye system. It makes it easy to alter the look of your character by changing the color of your gear.

But, I feel there is room for improvement. I'd like to suggest three things.

Since the end result of a dye often depends on the base color of the gear, give us the ability to stack dyes. This will give us more vivid colors, particularly with purples and pinks. It will also allow players to tinker with dyes to get just the right color they desire.

Give us the ability and gear to apply dye in different places. The altered gear was a great start. Let us color the other part of the gear.

Give us dye which apply patterns to our gear. Rather than a single color, this would allow player to significantly customize the appearance of our gear. Spots, stripes, checkerboard, there are all kinds of patterns which would appeal to a player.

Furthermore, all these dyes could inspire the creative team of Square Enix and allow their artists to show off their artistic talents with new ideas about color, fashion, and design.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Since the end result of a dye often depends on the base color of the gear, give us the ability to stack dyes. This will give us more vivid colors, particularly with purples and pinks. It will also allow players to tinker with dyes to get just the right color they desire.

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This would be amazing for us, but really bad for SE. Some dyes are only available through the mogstore. If you could stack colors to achieve a pure white dye or pure black dye then you wouldn't need to spend $10 on one set of dyes.

I would love more customization with dyes but I am begging, PLEADING with SE to please make dyes actually uniform across all items. It's so annoying to dye a housing item like a partition a certain color, say "Grape Purple", and then the matching door partition for that style looks like a completely different shade when its dyed the same color

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

This would be amazing for us, but really bad for SE. Some dyes are only available through the mogstore. If you could stack colors to achieve a pure white dye or pure black dye then you wouldn't need to spend $10 on one set of dyes.

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Good point and one I hadn't considered. I guess it would depend on how much money SE is making from certain dyes from The Mogstore vs the goodwill they would generate if they enabled dyes to be stacked.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

I would love more customization with dyes but I am begging, PLEADING with SE to please make dyes actually uniform across all items. It's so annoying to dye a housing item like a partition a certain color, say "Grape Purple", and then the matching door partition for that style looks like a completely different shade when its dyed the same color

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I've run into that myself. Sometimes, the dye is influenced by the base color of the item, and sometimes, you just want to tear your hair out because there is no rhyme nor reason to it.

Some of the best looking gear in the game is undyeable, yet the majority of it actually does have the necessary characteristics. It's simply not flagged as such. A way of switching that flag to on, perhaps in the form of a crafted augment, would be rather welcome. It may also behoove them to consider updating the dye system with a proper color wheel, so that people have more customization options. They could simply have categories: standard, metallic, etc. That way, a proper distinction would remain, and SE and players alike could continue to profit off dyes.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Some of the best looking gear in the game is undyeable, yet the majority of it actually does have the necessary characteristics. It's simply not flagged as such. A way of switching that flag to on, perhaps in the form of a crafted augment, would be rather welcome. It may also behoove them to consider updating the dye system with a proper color wheel, so that people have more customization options. They could simply have categories: standard, metallic, etc. That way, a proper distinction would remain, and SE and players alike could continue to profit off dyes.

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I absolutely agree a crafted augment to enable undyeable gear to become dyeable would be a wonderful thing to have. As far as updating the dye system to a color wheel, I feel that may be a bridge too far for the developers.

It is much easier to adapt the current system than it is to test every hue, saturation, and brightness combination in every environment and lighting that a character might encounter. Then again, I've been wrong in the past about what a dedicated developer can pull off within a gaming engine.

The biggest problem with dying is that they are limited on the number of dyes in the game and the gear only supports one dye channel. This is not what they wanted but it’s due to server limitations when it comes to sending information about your wearing to everybody.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

It is much easier to adapt the current system than it is to test every hue, saturation, and brightness combination in every environment and lighting that a character might encounter. Then again, I've been wrong in the past about what a dedicated developer can pull off within a gaming engine.

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I believe, and I fully admit I could be wrong, that the engine is already technically capable of it. They'd have to do a fair bit of work regardless, not the least of which being the creation of UI elements that interact with the numbers in the appropriate way, but it should definitely be fully doable. That said, I suspect they will be reworking the engine at some point in the future. It's showing its age. If they were to implement something like this, an engine rework might be the best time.

Yes please but I doubt it will happen :( if anything at least give us more dyes in general.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

This would be amazing for us, but really bad for SE. Some dyes are only available through the mogstore. If you could stack colors to achieve a pure white dye or pure black dye then you wouldn't need to spend $10 on one set of dyes.

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I get the point you're making, but there aren't any dyes that are exclusively only available on the cash shop. They're just easier to get that way. You can acquire them through ventures, the market board, or even the recruitment program feathers.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

I get the point you're making, but there aren't any dyes that are exclusively only available on the cash shop. They're just easier to get that way. You can acquire them through ventures, the market board, or even the recruitment program feathers.

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My retainers NEVER brought a pure white dye ;__; I started believing everyone else was lying just as copium :3

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

My retainers NEVER brought a pure white dye ;__; I started believing everyone else was lying just as copium :3

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That's some rough luck.

I've used plenty of Pure White and Pure Black dyes over the years and have never made a dye purchase on the cash shop. Regardless, you can just buy them in-game if you have tbe gil to afford it.

If want see what really good dye system looks like, take peek at GW2. Hundreds of colors. Once dye is obtained, is go into database attached to character and can be used at will from that point on. Gears have 2 separate dye channels. Can even dye mounts.

I could love for armour to have different dyeable parts, instead of a single one that dyes the whole thing.

I'm sure it's too late to implement such a thing with the huge amount of armour pieces this game has. But what if they only apply this to the new gear we'll get after 7.0? W-would that be too chaotic? I guess so...


Also this:

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Originally Posted by Eraden

If want see what really good dye system looks like, take peek at GW2. Hundreds of colors. Once dye is obtained, is go into database attached to character and can be used at will from that point on. Gears have 2 separate dye channels. Can even dye mounts.

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GW2 was so good dye-wise. I think it has the best system I've seen.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

If want see what really good dye system looks like, take peek at GW2. Hundreds of colors. Once dye is obtained, is go into database attached to character and can be used at will from that point on. Gears have 2 separate dye channels. Can even dye mounts.

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...This is the first time i've seen you not start your post with "Mao this or that". I'm not complaining, just surprised.
Maybe it was someone else?

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Originally Posted by Eraden

If want see what really good dye system looks like, take peek at GW2. Hundreds of colors. Once dye is obtained, is go into database attached to character and can be used at will from that point on. Gears have 2 separate dye channels. Can even dye mounts.

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GW2 does have an excellent dye system.

Personally I would settle for dyes that at least match the existing colors on all gear. There are a lot of times where you can't color match because the gear piece either has a unique shade or the material gives it a different tone.

Color wheel. That is all I ask.

(Even after like 7years BDO got a color palette)

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

...This is the first time i've seen you not start your post with "Mao this or that". I'm not complaining, just surprised.
Maybe it was someone else?

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Is still Mao. Mao didn't think necessary to start with Mao.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Is still Mao. Mao didn't think necessary to start with Mao.

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You are a treasure that must be protected at all costs.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

That's some rough luck.

I've used plenty of Pure White and Pure Black dyes over the years and have never made a dye purchase on the cash shop. Regardless, you can just buy them in-game if you have tbe gil to afford it.

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Definitely, most I get are the shiny ones :/…..

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Also this:


GW2 was so good dye-wise. I think it has the best system I've seen.

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ESO has a great system too. You have three sections to dye instead of only one colour and a ton of options, of course certain dyes are locked behind achievements but it’s a cool little detail when you see someone prancing around with a blacker dye than yours

There would be no need for all the dyes the game currently uses under this system. We would just need base colors and we can control the shade of it by applying more or less of those colors. The combinations would be endless e.g. x4 blue, x3 yellow, x1 brown = moss green. Not that I oppose such a system, but it could make dying gear more cumbersome than it needs to be.

I honestly just wish there was something along the lines of a 'match color' dye that works like the dropper in paint/photoshop. Patterns like polka dots, H stripes, V stripes, camo etc. would be cool too.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

My retainers NEVER brought a pure white dye ;__; I started believing everyone else was lying just as copium :3

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Okay, just watch. Now that you said that, you're going to get two pure white dyes.

As an aside, to anyone posting, can't we get pure dyes by trading in gold chocobo feathers?

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Okay, just watch. Now that you said that, you're going to get two pure white dyes.

As an aside, to anyone posting, can't we get pure dyes by trading in gold chocobo feathers?

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Yes, they are untradeable versions, but I got plenty that way.

Is Mao character in GW2. Is what can be done with GW2 dye system.
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...961.1682103660

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Okay, just watch. Now that you said that, you're going to get two pure white dyes.

As an aside, to anyone posting, can't we get pure dyes by trading in gold chocobo feathers?

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Haha my retainer brought a coffer last night and even I was like “could this finally be??????” …it was gold :( could have been worse though!

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Yes, they are untradeable versions, but I got plenty that way.

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I thought so. I've been hoarding the 40(?) feathers I have on Kacho. Someday, I'll come up with a glamour worthy of using some of them.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Haha my retainer brought a coffer last night and even I was like “could this finally be??????” …it was gold :( could have been worse though!

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That would have been so funny! :cool:

I find that the colours are missing, even though they exist on ingame gears.

I would like for example this colour in a very bright way, but it doesn't exist, dark purple.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ab/91/df/a...a2a5896113.jpg

But it is present on the NIN Endwalker relic.

And a lot of nice colours potentially wasted on the outfits, even the 16€ ones

They sell dyes? Of course they do...that's just leaving money on the table if they didn't because there will always be people who would buy it.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

I find that the colours are missing, even though they exist on ingame gears.

I would like for example this colour in a very bright way, but it doesn't exist, dark purple.

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Have a look at "abyssal blue" dye. It really should be on the purple page.

I think the biggest gap we have is magenta, which gets used as a theme colour on some caster gear sets (eg. Shisui and Sky Pirate) and others like the Gambler and Yafaemi sets, but can't be matched at all, unless you want to go for the metallic dye.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Have a look at "abyssal blue" dye. It really should be on the purple page.

I think the biggest gap we have is magenta, which gets used as a theme colour on some caster gear sets (eg. Shisui and Sky Pirate) and others like the Gambler and Yafaemi sets, but can't be matched at all, unless you want to go for the metallic dye.

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Mao agrees SO much! Mao likes the Shisui Purples SO much but Mao can't copies it or dye the Shisui gears. Mao sad.....

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

This would be amazing for us, but really bad for SE. Some dyes are only available through the mogstore. If you could stack colors to achieve a pure white dye or pure black dye then you wouldn't need to spend $10 on one set of dyes.

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People can get those dyes from Retainer ventures or just straight up buying them off the marketboard.

That means the only limiting factor to getting those dyes is 'how often do you play, and can you earn gil'.

It boils down to two things:
A) Are you willing to spend 20 minutes a week to make ~2m/week for free (Island sanctuary is 1.2m/week for 5 minutes work every wednesday)
B) Do you have enough of an understanding on how to make Gil from the marketboard.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

One of the things I like about FFXIV is its dye system. It makes it easy to alter the look of your character by changing the color of your gear.

But, I feel there is room for improvement. I'd like to suggest three things.

Since the end result of a dye often depends on the base color of the gear, give us the ability to stack dyes. This will give us more vivid colors, particularly with purples and pinks. It will also allow players to tinker with dyes to get just the right color they desire.

Give us the ability and gear to apply dye in different places. The altered gear was a great start. Let us color the other part of the gear.

Give us dye which apply patterns to our gear. Rather than a single color, this would allow player to significantly customize the appearance of our gear. Spots, stripes, checkerboard, there are all kinds of patterns which would appeal to a player.

Furthermore, all these dyes could inspire the creative team of Square Enix and allow their artists to show off their artistic talents with new ideas about color, fashion, and design.

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I would love this. Sadly, its never gonna happen, as Square is using old gear recolors for future rewards. If we could make our custom colors, we would not be happy with simple recolored rewards, making them actually designing new sets.

We need to be able to use any color dye on ANY material and have the result being the EXACT color of that dye.
This is a fantasy game with mythical creatures and make believe stories and impossible races........why not dip the "realism" of dying fabric then and allow us to get the colors we actually use.
Stop picking and choosing when to follow "reality rules".

-Also time for a "latex look" dye, a true polished metal appearance on ANY material. the dye system here is bland and boring...spice it up for God sakes :)
-Adding a clear coat, a high gloss coating as an optional "dye" would be great to use. Design it to coat over current color of gear to gloss it , that way we could achieve effect on any existing color.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Have a look at "abyssal blue" dye. It really should be on the purple page.

I think the biggest gap we have is magenta, which gets used as a theme colour on some caster gear sets (eg. Shisui and Sky Pirate) and others like the Gambler and Yafaemi sets, but can't be matched at all, unless you want to go for the metallic dye.

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Thanks for your suggestion,

I've done it before, but it's not bright enough in general, and also on outfits that I like glam.

I would like it to be more intense in play, on outfits that are too dark or pale, and the colour that most resembles a blue skin tone for intensity, I want dark purple.

It's true that Abyssal blue is the closest, but I want the intensity of a Dragon blue and that doesn't exist.


The 3rd & 5th palette:
https://www.color-hex.com/palettes/1017208.png

A more intense version is Metallic Purple Dye, but it is more Purple than Dark Purple Blue.


When I talk about the Relic Endwalker, I think of this, the lines on the scarf and the saroual.
https://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...male-front.png

I need more muted colours please ^_^