[glam]Drachen and Wyrm armors (dragoon)

With endwalker giving the spotlight to FFIV in many ways (bosses, dungeons, the moon, the gears), it would be nice to fix one of the most iconics FFIV inspired armor : the Dragoon one. Or, to be more precise, the female one and its unfamous bellyhole.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here they are, (both the drachen one and the wyrm one)
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-AuRa.pnghttps://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ale-Miqote.png

I love the design of the armor, but the bellyhole make it look stupid. FFXIV does a good job with its gear design, but early ones had a few miss, and this is one of them.

It's a shame that the armor inspired by the iconic Kain armor looks so stupid.

Would it be possible to have a version with a belly piece, like the male one has?

Now there probably are people that like that version of the armor (weird flex but ok), so maybe we could have a glam for both set (drachen dyable and wyrm) that is unlocked when you get the armor? or an alternate versionof set piece with the exact same stats exchangeable at the diamond forge. So you can chose the one you prefer.

I like the bellyhole version.

Yeah, I've always thought that the open abdomen on those armors was really strange. That's basically attaching a neon sign to one's stomach that says "Stab here".

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

(weird flex but ok).

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I don’t think this means what you think it means. It would be a brag, or a show off. Not a matter of opinion

Also, belly hole is best version

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I've always thought that the open abdomen on those armors was really strange. That's basically attaching a neon sign to one's stomach that says "Stab here".

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Fun fact: To my knowledge, that armor was designed for fighting dragons only, hence the spikes that are intended to hurt the mouth, throat, and even the belly of any dragon who thinks to swallow and eat up the dragoon (or anyone wearing the armor). It was never made by design to fight non-dragons.

I won't deny that I like the belly hole, but I would also not deny that it does look out of place.

I would use the armor for my dragoon glam if not for the open belly. Practicality concerns aside, I just think it looks silly. And a lot of later dragoon gear has giant wings or butt capes (or worse, both), so it's really the only dragoon artifact set that I like at all.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Fun fact: To my knowledge, that armor was designed for fighting dragons only, hence the spikes that are intended to hurt the mouth, throat, and even the belly of any dragon who thinks to swallow and eat up the dragoon (or anyone wearing the armor). It was never made by design to fight non-dragons.

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Also, the fins and wing on DRG gear are actually flight stabilizers for more powerful and accurate Jumping.

I wish males had the belly hole version. Imagine 2.0 Estinien flashing his midriff everywhere.

There exists a hole in the male version too, they just have an under-scale armour covering up.
It was supposedly to help them flex the abs to perform their jumps better. It was designed for jumping not tanking.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There exists a hole in the male version too, they just have an under-scale armour covering up.
It was supposedly to help them flex the abs to perform their jumps better. It was designed for jumping not tanking.

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Whatever the backward explanation is. Original Kain version cover the belly, FFXIV male version cover the belly, the female doesn't. It's about having something covering the belly, whatever the technicality of that belly piece is. It's not even about replacing it, but having two versions available, since, from what I noticed, a lot of people, like me, find that the belly-hole ruins the glam (it's also to see if it was a concensus or not at all).

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There exists a hole in the male version too, they just have an under-scale armour covering up.

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So there's a hole, but they covered it, so there isn't a hole.

Aren't there like four Dragoon- specific sets you can choose from that don't have a belly hole?

I mean I get "some" are really annoyed by it, but does every single thing have to make sense? Like Paladins seemingly dont wear helmets where warriors mostly do, Bard gear doesn't exactly serve purpose other than being fancy and ready for embellishments - it's fine if it made little sense.

In fact, I could argue that females might not even use the extra cover as the males do because it probably weighs extra, so for mobility it is left out.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Aren't there like four Dragoon- specific sets you can choose from that don't have a belly hole?

I mean I get "some" are really annoyed by it, but does every single thing have to make sense? Like Paladins seemingly dont wear helmets where warriors mostly do, Bard gear doesn't exactly serve purpose other than being fancy and ready for embellishments - it's fine if it made little sense.

In fact, I could argue that females might not even use the extra cover as the males do because it probably weighs extra, so for mobility it is left out.

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Yeah, but the other are not iconic classic FF character armor. That alone would be a reason to give the choice. I never talked about making sense to begin with. Other people did. Plus since what I'm proposing is having both versions available, not replacing it. I don't see why one would be against that idea (especially since the chance of that actually happening is pretty low). For someone that likes the version with the belly hole, having the other one available wouldn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I would use the armor for my dragoon glam if not for the open belly. Practicality concerns aside, I just think it looks silly. And a lot of later dragoon gear has giant wings or butt capes (or worse, both), so it's really the only dragoon artifact set that I like at all.

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Butt wings help you fly funnier than if they were attached to your upper back, you’ll look more threatening too

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Butt wings help you fly funnier than if they were attached to your upper back, you’ll look more threatening too

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Maybe, but I still have trauma from when I was an Au Ra and Miqo'te trying to fit a tail through moving flaps of steel plate.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Maybe, but I still have trauma from when I was an Au Ra and Miqo'te trying to fit a tail through moving flaps of steel plate.

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Nom, free tail snack

I'm not a huge fan of the gender variations this game sometimes favors in general. In a perfect world, either gender would have access to both variants in every case, but alas...

Fix? We need more armors like that, everything is so unisex now it's awful, only healers and dancers get to have nice AF.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Yeah, but the other are not iconic classic FF character armor. That alone would be a reason to give the choice. I never talked about making sense to begin with. Other people did. Plus since what I'm proposing is having both versions available, not replacing it. I don't see why one would be against that idea (especially since the chance of that actually happening is pretty low). For someone that likes the version with the belly hole, having the other one available wouldn't change anything.

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In an ideal world, yes both should be available, ideally with a toggle (think like Head Visor). But as long as it isn't, I'll prefer they keep it as is rather than unifying it into either version.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Fix? We need more armors like that, everything is so unisex now it's awful, only healers and dancers get to have nice AF.

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I think the gear is at it's best when they do give the same version to both male and female characters... And they REALLY dedicate to making it the as much the same between them as they can, one of the bestest examples of it being easily the Light Steel set, which on a female character is basically a platemail bikini... And on male characters, it's covers just as much.