Advanced Jobs Idea Again

Since Yoshida is pondering what to do after the lv100 cap.
I've been replaying some classics and I'm reminded that the concept of advancing into direct upgrade jobs has been used in multiple FF games since the very first one.

White Mage > Devout
Black Mage > Magus or Sorcerer
Red Mage > Red Wizard
Monk > Black Belt
Dragoon > Holy Dragoon

Those are some that have been done before. Would have to make up some new ones, like Samurai > Shogun. It's somewhat arbitrary but it can be used as a replacement for adding wholly new jobs when they run out of ideas or resources to support more.

Instead all existing jobs would upgrade into advanced versions of the same job with mostly aesthetic changes and some minor changes to battle rotations. They can start at lv1 but with a star next to it, indicating it's equivalent to lv101.

I want it because it's cool. Kain's Holy DRG set pictured.

https://i.ibb.co/VH4z2LP/7dllhpuq.png

Honestly I doubt they would run out of jobs they just need to be creative with how they input them in the game.

Final fantasy has a ton of jobs that can be added, and can add in the fantasy that some jobs we have are missing aka theievery or true bard true archery

then you have things like mystic knight, Runeblade,beastmaster,tamer,mathethic,mimic, geomancer,masocot(ff10-2),corsair and so forth so honestly they have enough jobs in final fantasy already that aren't in the game they could add such as those. Then beyond that they could add in other things like foebreaker from ff12-2 with an axe and shield. I wouldn't mind having a true Knight not a paladin but a true knight wiithout magic just specialsword work skills. But even beyond those they could add in a metamorphs jump like vincent valentine.


Could literally add in theif and add in the mixing skill so the theif steals items and mixs them which gives people their chemist and a real theif job aka Rikku from ff10


not even counting wakka could make a blitzer job out of rather easily

Truth is if they run out of jobs they arent creative enough I'm just saying if i sit down for 10mins I could write out full rotations for each of those jobs I listed that would make it way different than anything in the game already. So if they can't do it maybe they should hire me lol plus i could give them unique weapons

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

White Mage > Devout
Black Mage > Magus or Sorcerer
Red Mage > Red Wizard
Monk > Black Belt
Dragoon > Holy Dragoon

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No, these names are super cringe. Red Wizard... bruh

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Originally Posted by Remolia

No, these names are super cringe. Red Wizard... bruh

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.... have you ever played a final fantasy game before? these are literally upgrades or advance jobs from the final fantasy series

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They never said that they run out of job ideas or am i wrong? They said they don't want to just increase lvl cap and they got on record claiming the class > job system was a mistake. So i doubt they will do that again. More likely we will get our levels reduced or even a mastery system.

I don't know how it would necessarily work, but it definitely wouldn't be an entirely terrible idea as an alternative to just endlessly increasing the level cap.

Also, the final level cap should definitely be 99. Because it's always been 99 with Final Fantasy games.

Other than a fancy job title it doesn't really bring much to the table. Unless you were to add forks like Arcanist to Summoner or Scholar.

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Originally Posted by SillyCrow

Other than a fancy job title it doesn't really bring much to the table. Unless you were to add forks like Arcanist to Summoner or Scholar.

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The Arcanist splitting into two jobs has been a constant source of trouble for the dev team, I doubt they want to do anymore like that.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I don't know how it would necessarily work, but it definitely wouldn't be an entirely terrible idea as an alternative to just endlessly increasing the level cap.

Also, the final level cap should definitely be 99. Because it's always been 99 with Final Fantasy games.

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FACTUALLY WRONG! Because of FFVIII ;P

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

The Arcanist splitting into two jobs has been a constant source of trouble for the dev team, I doubt they want to do anymore like that.

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So basically there's no point in adding advanced jobs at all.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

.... have you ever played a final fantasy game before? these are literally upgrades or advance jobs from the final fantasy series

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No I have not, I cant even keep up with MSQ, and u advice me to play single player like MSQ.
But it does not matter, maybe they sounds cool on JP, but these Eng versions sounds super cringe.

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Originally Posted by SillyCrow

So basically there's no point in adding advanced jobs at all.

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If it's just a one to one upgrade, like the jobs are now then sure I guess if it will give a new set of skills and spells. if it were to go CNJ>WHT>Devout then thats fine, but splitting into two different paths like arcanist is now split between SMN and SCH causes them problems. Probably more so because one is a DPS and the other a healer, maybe if they split into two jobs of the same type it would be smoother.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

If it's just a one to one upgrade, like the jobs are now then sure I guess if it will give a new set of skills and spells. if it were to go CNJ>WHT>Devout then thats fine, but splitting into two different paths like arcanist is now split between SMN and SCH causes them problems. Probably more so because one is a DPS and the other a healer, maybe if they split into two jobs of the same type it would be smoother.

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I guess they could just add cool gear sets referencing the advanced job designs. Kinda like the ARR artifact sets.

TBH they've pretty much established they don't want job changes going forward from ARR for advancement as the base classes advanced into jobs with Arcanist having a split path to 2 different roles similar to what many other MMORPGs had done. Kind of sad IMO because having every base class having a fork into 2 different roles probably would have alleviated some of the queue times for DPS that have pretty much existed the entirety of the game's lifespan.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

TBH they've pretty much established they don't want job changes going forward from ARR for advancement as the base classes advanced into jobs with Arcanist having a split path to 2 different roles similar to what many other MMORPGs had done. Kind of sad IMO because having every base class having a fork into 2 different roles probably would have alleviated some of the queue times for DPS that have pretty much existed the entirety of the game's lifespan.

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Not if they simply kept the old version. You needed a Lv15 class additionally to your 30. So you do what? Random mobs, leve quests, monster book (how is it called in english again?) and Sastasha. Boom Lv15.

Advanced jobs are fine and dandy but with the current trajectory all we'd see is updated particle effects since all jobs focus on DPS and DPS only. As long as we don't get at least a little bit of variety back I really don't see the point of this change (even though I really like the idea).

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Originally Posted by BRVV

FACTUALLY WRONG! Because of FFVIII ;P

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Add FFXV as well.

I don't know if they'll do advancements/specs once we hit the level 100 cap, but it's clear that they just can't keep adding 10 levels every expansion and call it a day. I assume this is the same conclusion Yoshi P came towards, because if this were to happen then the amount of buttons and traits gained every so level is going to be stretched incredibly thin as they continue to remove more things to make room for future additions since they don't want to cross a certain threshold when it comes to the number of buttons.

Advanced jobs feels like something they would do after we reach level 100 first and they need a new progression system.

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Originally Posted by SillyCrow

Other than a fancy job title it doesn't really bring much to the table. Unless you were to add forks like Arcanist to Summoner or Scholar.

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Well, adding more stats to the Soul Crystal (they do already give a small amount of base stats, amounts might depend on the job or role) and adding new skills as an alternative to character progression instead of having to infinitely raise the level cap with each expansion would probably be the point.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

I don't know if they'll do advancements/specs once we hit the level 100 cap, but it's clear that they just can't keep adding 10 levels every expansion and call it a day. I assume this is the same conclusion Yoshi P came towards, because if this were to happen then the amount of buttons and traits gained every so level is going to be stretched incredibly thin as they continue to remove more things to make room for future additions since they don't want to cross a certain threshold when it comes to the number of buttons.

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Unless you want to have no new actions/traits, it doesn't matter how you do growth past 100, the issue you described is still going to be an issue.