Eureka Orthos Issues (For a Solo Player)

Hello everyone. Patch 6.35 gave us a great addition: the new Deep Dungeon, Eureka Orthos. I cleared both PotD and HoH solo and really enjoy this type content. EO is mean and quite different from previous DDs, and I love it. But I have three issues with it.

The first issue: it feels like mobs on floors 1-20 have too much HP. Maybe it has to do with how hard the Aetherpool gear gets scaled down for these sets, maybe it has to do with HP values. During solo run as a tank you want to get all the chests, but it takes so long to AOE the mobs you've pulled, so it can take up to 40 minutes with active decision making (aka pomander usage) and planned routing. On AST set 1-10 takes 50 minutes. Even for DPS these floors can feel like a slog. Time gets too volatile depending on what pomanders you get.

The second issue: respawn timer is 1 minute, and that's too short. Because of how long it takes to kill mobs, the new wave gets to respawn. So, it stems from the first issue.

As I see it, HP values have to be scaled down (I'm not sure by how many %) or respawn timer changed to 2 minutes, just one of the two. Personally, I'd prefer the first one, but it's just my desire to spend less time on these floors speaking. I've got used to fast PotD and HoH early floors. I've seen some really good players asking for HP nerf of floors 1-40, even.

The third issue: potsherds shouldn't be tied to Sustaining Potions. You can see that the first EO clears were done on tanks. Why? Not because they are better that DPS jobs, but because they don't need these pots. Mobs don't crit, and all the mitigation and sustain the tanks have negates the damage. Personally, that doesn't affect me, because I enjoy playing as a tank. But people are gated from going into late floors because they don't have pots that they have to farm. And you have 2 options: spam 21-30 set or go as a tank and get to 81+, where potsherds are common. Fun fact: one of the early clears happened on a tank, because the player (Finh Bezahl from Jenova) didn't have the pots for his ninja run. So, he went as PLD and got the clear.

Please, just let us buy Sustaining Potions for Gil like Eurekan potions or change the potsherd drop rate on early floors. It's not like potsherd rewards are really good in the first place, ease the grind.

Overall, I'm happy with EO, but these issues ruin the fun for me a little and other solo runners, and I hope that something will change (before the next expansion drops and numbers become overtuned once again). What is your experience with early floors as a party or solo? Do you agree or disagree? I'd be glad to hear from you.

I tend to agree, while it's been a long time I went without full AP in potd/hoh, but I don't recall the mobs ever being so tedious/slow to dispatch solo (until you get somewhere like fl 60-70 in HOH or 150+ in potd).


I don't mind the sustaining potions that much, you end up doing it so many times when practicing you end up with plenty.

I totally agree, this is insane.
For a healer class EO is impossible to play solo, mobs takes too long to kill, and there's lot of rooms with 5-6 mobs. In a dozen try, with a lot of luck I get to the 9th floor, avoiding much mobs as possible and not getting all chest.
And even if I get to the boss, I think my lvl and AE would have been too low

HP wise it feels different because it is current content
when HoH and Potd were first out they all felt the same but now with stealth content nerf evey expansion Potd and HoH lower floors are paper thin

but yes the ability to buy potions normally would be nice

Most of those issues are only in the first few sets :p I am not sure why we went from a working formula of high auto attack damage on monsters to basically most enemies doing barely any damage with auto attacks while the enemies just sit there casting various shapes of orange instant kill markers. Once you know the casts for all the enemies it feels like all the danger disappears and I don't think I have cared about most of the negative debuffs at all unlike somewhere like PotD where Gloom/no items can be run ending on the spot.

I have started solo on a tank in HoH and PotD with 0 aetherpool on alts and cleared 1-20 while getting chests without any problems and plenty of time left. I tried the same in EO and oh the adds were bullet sponges. I too was barely taking any damage. Not fun. I can’t imagine doing this on healer. Even with higher aetherpool (I am nowhere maxed) they take too long to kill when soloing.

The first 40 levels need adjustment in terms of HP.

Wish Aetherpool wouldn't synch down, probably would steamroll the first few sets but whatever, makes it a far more desireable thing that it doesn't feel like a slog from the very beginning

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Originally Posted by gorbun

Hello everyone. Patch 6.35 gave us a great addition: the new Deep Dungeon, Eureka Orthos. I cleared both PotD and HoH solo and really enjoy this type content. EO is mean and quite different from previous DDs, and I love it. But I have three issues with it.

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I think Sig Nine said it best.. EO ripped the heart out of what made deep dungeons deep dungeons. I.E, intelligent decision making of pomander usage to mitigate the effects of RNG and wise target selection decision making. Skilled solo players had to make intelligent decisions that made each run different.

Instead, EO feels like a raid in DD clothing. Yes, it’s totally different, and yes, it’s fun to clear… ONCE. I think history will say this was a failed experiment though from the evergreen content perspective.

HoH and Potd are so "easy" due to power scaling. Some jobs are simply busted strong on level 60/70.
Give it a expansion or two and EO will feel as fast as the other two.

And as far as I know, the deep dungeon are made and balanced for 4 player.
Soloing them is optional content with no guarantee to be fully cleared with all jobs.

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Originally Posted by Antone26

I'm literally at 99/99Ap from grinding 21-30 over and over. Partially for Ap Partially for the shard at the end for potions.

I've probably done close to 400 floors worth of grind between 1-30 and have not found a single shard.... and yes, I open every chest, including the bronze.

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Potsherds only come from bronze chests and bosses. If they drop on low levels, it's an obscenely low drop rate. Low levels like to throw Pheonix Downs at you. Once you start getting higher, Potsherds drop like candy.

I almost never post in the forums, but this issue has me tilted off the face of the planet. To preface this: I don't mind dying and having to start over due to carelessness on my part, but the first 20 floors feel awful to get through if I'm already being punished by losing hours of progress.

You don't have your full kit, so your damage is heavily neutered depending on your class. Since you do less damage adds take long as hell to clear. Most 20+ floors I'm done with the boss with about 15-19 minutes to spare. floors 10 and 20, I'm finishing with 9 to less than 5. They just have way too much HP for your kit and pomander stock (none at the beginning).

There's also the issue of respawn rates. I've spent almost 10 minutes in one room alone trying to clear out patrols and the 3 original enemies in them. Respawn rates are 1 minute in the first 30 floors, and after that it's around 30 minutes for respawn. So you can get trapped in a single room just trying to clear out mobs because they're spawning in as fast as you kill them. Just set it to like 5-10 minutes or just standardize it at 30. Makes no sense to me why it's like this.

You can also just get horrible RNG on lower floors sometimes. I just had one on floor 6 where I barely had any pomanders, got stuck in between two rooms, one was a dead end with 3 behemoths, the other room had a dreadbeast in it, it was also a no ability floor, so my already low damage is effectively halved. So I can't escape the meteor from the behemoth since there's one in the hall casting it, and 2 more behind me, a dread beast on the other side, and my dps is forcibly cut too low to be able to just kill it before it casts. Admittedly, this is bad RNG that can exist in any of the 3 deep dungeons.

I'm a fan of the more lethal adds even on low floors, but if it means I'm going to be starting over from floor 1 over and over, please either nerf the adds HP, reduce the Aetherpool sync down, or give us a full kit, SOMETHING, because it feels awful having to do those 20 floors each time. Even in a group.

I don't really understand why they left solo as an option. Going in with zero aetherpool means the mobs take too long to kill and respawn too quickly. The chest drops are measly so there's little to help (HoH was much more generous). Potd seemed to have a fairly straightforward 1-20 then felt harder from 20-30, but it doesn't seem to work that way with EO. Many tries with various classes and nowhere near floor 10 yet. Seems like a waste of time to try and solo.

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Originally Posted by OlafQuintessa

I don't really understand why they left solo as an option. Going in with zero aetherpool means the mobs take too long to kill and respawn too quickly. The chest drops are measly so there's little to help (HoH was much more generous). Potd seemed to have a fairly straightforward 1-20 then felt harder from 20-30, but it doesn't seem to work that way with EO. Many tries with various classes and nowhere near floor 10 yet. Seems like a waste of time to try and solo.

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Have you tried actually just getting Aetherpool through parties before attempting solo? Around 70/70 should be enough to start attempting :p

Yes this is an option for sure. I'm just often playing when the server's quiet, so I wanted to jump in solo without having to try and find people. 70 aetherpool doesn't take long to get does it? XD

My first 1-10 was with gunbreaker. You cant do with dps without aetherpool and regen potions.

I remember I tried EO 1-10 solo on Reaper right off the bat. Barely got to the boss, and then died to its general damage(auto attacks).

The first couple of floorsets are definitely over tuned compared to PoTD and HoH, and I say this as someone who ran those right off the bat when they first came out.

Of course, when PoTD first came out, Deep Dungeons were brand new, and it only went to 50 and the Aetherpool only went to 30/30. But the older potions had very low cooldowns. Like a standard potion HQ has a 25 second cooldown or something like that, and you could Cross-Class Cure/Physic etc.

EO is very weird to me. Steel pomanders feel nearly useless. They don't even stop most AOEs from killing you if you get clipped. Dread monsters also feel somewhat ham fisted (and their reward buff is barely noticeable). I like the addition of the floor 99 boss, but I don't like how punishing the dungeon is overall. It's especially punishing for melees. A lot of things, especially later, either need Silence or have such a big AOE you might as well run away from it right after engaging. Why bring anything other than ranged, raisers, and tanks? heh.