Bozja Improvement Ideas

This isn't a critiquing thread, but rather I feel like it should be a discussion on how I think FFXIV Dev team could improve Bozja now that we're on the next expansion and relic quests.


Personally for myself: I would like the ability to buy any remaining notes with the clusters. Now I don't mean change everything completely, just allow people to buy the missing notes that they don't have for 200 clusters a pop. That way, they can still get any missing notes and there's a healthier alternative than ripping your hair out and bawling out your eyes on a 1v1.

Like add a Researcher NPC or something who's studying clusters aether-chemical density (Or something) and have them be like- "But I won't leave you high and dry either, if I see an intriguing character, I'll do my best to get notes on them for you!"

And yes, I do know you can get most from CE's and Skirmishes, but when the Notes have an extremely low drop rate, it gets irritating.

(I have a mental disability so if I can't consistently practice something, I forget how to do it. so 1v1's are the bane of my existence.)

And this isn't me being all like "I want easier content! Blah blah blah..." I have been grinding for notes 11 and 14 SINCE they became my last two (So about a year of off and on Bozja-ing Because I Have been trying to take brakes but it doesn't help the larger issue of, if players can't get the notes, then they get frustrated. You can't trade the papers before using them.

I want to move on from this and enjoy other content but I can't because my brain won't let me enjoy without the Skybike from 12.


TL;DR: Add a Notes menu to the Cluster Shop so that people can move on from bozja and get the bike and not detract from the spirit of Bozja itself.

I think before they improve the completionist aspects like the mount, they should give a look at nerfing some of the story aspects again like CLL, DR, DAL, etc. On low population servers and times they're just impossible to get enough players on to clear. I know it's technically possible to solo some of these if you are at max everything and run certain essences, but people doing it for the story will not have those and will need a decent sized party to make up for it. For how awful Eureka is, they did make it entirely soloable, but for Bozja they refuse to make it soloable to do the story.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I think before they improve the completionist aspects like the mount, they should give a look at nerfing some of the story aspects again like CLL, DR, DAL, etc.

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The one thing I'd nerf about CLL is to remove the enrage from the top/bottom bosses, it can be frustratingly hard to gauge how you should sync kill them due to how wildly different power levels can be within Bozja, between someone with max buffs and someone without even essences, just let the side that completes first join the other side and kill both bosses, or make them share a HP gauge, or something.

The notes are fine the way they are now, I think they're already being generous enough by giving you RNG chances to skip the duels. The duels are still there and still just as accessible as they've always been, if you can't beat them then the skybike isn't for you.

The only way I could see notes for clusters being a positive change is if they make cluster vouchers similar to bicolor gemstones so that they can charge 1000+ clusters each for the duel notes, if you're bypassing the challenge it should take should take much more time, and maybe then the MB prices for all of the cluster items will start going back up.

Leave Bozja alone please. Quit lobotomizing the game, it's some of the best content we have. Delubrum is kind of meh but CLL and everything else is actually fun and enjoyable. You also have to work together to pass instances etc... it's a rare breed of content that should stay as is.

I wish I could miss something from Bozja so I could grind it. But I would still vote no. Think of all those memories you are gonna have in the end for your relics! :)

I've never done Bozja... does it still offer anything relevant?

The notes are absolutely not fine as they are now. I can scarcely understand the mentality someone has to have to look at the way it's structured and say 'yes, this is fine'. While most of the notes are acceptable, there are certainly a major handful where your only two options are to farm a specific mob for an unknowable amount of time until an invisible set of conditions are met, hope there's enough people active in the instance to help complete the Fate you spent over an hour triggering, make sure you're in a party so you don't lose credit for completion, and there's a pathetically small chance of the note dropping. Alternatively, you can do the exact same set up with a different mob, trigger a Fate chain to trigger a CE, pray enough people participate and know what they're doing to clear, be sure not to get hit one single time, then hope you're the lucky one to have one chance at the Duel, for which most reasonable people use very unintended methods to cheese anyway, but good luck going through all that and setting up the cheese and executing it having had no first-hand experience with the duel prior. And if you fail it or miss it, oh well, back on a 1-2 hour timer it goes. It is an excruciating experience and I just can't understand how anyone would ever defend it.

Simple alternatives would make for a vastly more enjoyable experience. Duels could be on constant rotation, no triggers required and if someone fails it lets someone else try. Notes could be made tradeable, keeping an incentive for people to farm the rarest ones as they'd sell for a fair bit. Coins or clusters could be used to purchase notes. Completion of note-related Fates could yield guaranteed 'totem' drops which after so many you could turn them in for the note. Literally anything would be a much-needed improvement.

And if there's a fear that making notes easier to get would somehow kill Bozja, you're neglecting the people that are there and run the content because they enjoy it, for the story, for XP, for loot, and so on. And if it's such a concern it could die then maybe it needs a better reason to be played than holding people hostage with godawful drop rates and spawn timers, which don't even encourage people to play all of Bozja, rather staying to killing those very specific mobs and camping the same Fates.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I've never done Bozja... does it still offer anything relevant?

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Fun, a mount, a customizable relic that is still the top choice to clear old ults because of stat customization, hair styles, furniture. But the best is the content/story since it will always be relevant to someone who wants to play the game and experience what it has to offer. I.E. Heavensward is very relevant to a new player but not to someone who has finished the expansion. As such, Bozja is relevant to you.

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

Personally for myself: I would like the ability to buy any remaining notes with the clusters.

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They honestly should just drastically increase the drop rate for all of the super rare ones and call it a day.

Oh, and rework DR so it's not just dead outside of PF.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I've never done Bozja... does it still offer anything relevant?

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To put it as simply as I can. The story. That's it- While yes some people find the *old-school mmo* style content "fun" it's a major disparage from how XIV is normally. The relics you get aren't really worth doing unless it's for glamour but aren't relevant now that we're in endwalker and are doing EW relics.

Personally, I liked the story, however the aspect of held exp and then banking what you have doesn't do it justice (This is just from personal bias since people Ruined Eureka for me and you shouldn't hold it to the content. Try it out you, might like it.) That being said- The only viable reasons for going into Bozja now are:

~Story
Hairstyles
Mounts
Minions
and Glamours


That's really it.

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Originally Posted by MintberriCrunch

The notes are fine the way they are now, I think they're already being generous enough by giving you RNG chances to skip the duels. The duels are still there and still just as accessible as they've always been, if you can't beat them then the skybike isn't for you.

The only way I could see notes for clusters being a positive change is if they make cluster vouchers similar to bicolor gemstones so that they can charge 1000+ clusters each for the duel notes, if you're bypassing the challenge it should take should take much more time, and maybe then the MB prices for all of the cluster items will start going back up.

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This is very constructive to the conversation Thank you! Though I will say- I have been attempting said Skirmishes/duels when they drop for over a year (On and off with Some breaks like story and pvp to avoid burn out when I'm not working my two IRL Jobs). I just have an extremely hard time remembering mechanics if I can't constantly do them (Seeing as they are 1v1 duels and you can only get in them if you get picked/have enough notoriety so that makes it hard to practice them), HOWEVER I do appreciate the alternative that you have provided

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Leave Bozja alone please. Quit lobotomizing the game, it's some of the best content we have. Delubrum is kind of meh but CLL and everything else is actually fun and enjoyable. You also have to work together to pass instances etc... it's a rare breed of content that should stay as is.

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Wow, that is a HORRIBLE take. Not to mention not even remotely the point of the thread.

Asking for an alternative so you don't get locked into content you don't want to do because "carrot on a stick" is NOT Lobotimizing the game, this kind of content is fine for you and people who enjoy the content- you guys CAN enjoy it. but there are people out there (Like myself) who would like an alternate method to wrapping up the content because artificial content life expansion is not something that should ever be in a game. Before you try and counter this point, Yes it's artificial content life expansion because the duels gate slow down how many people can complete their note logs down to a crawl, basically you either grind mindlessly until you die of old age or you get into a 1v1, try and fail because you can't magically get good from just watching. I literally was just standing around with a PLD waiting for MDK to pop cause timer- that's not fun, especially when they're quiet and don't say anything.

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

Wow, that is a HORRIBLE take. Not to mention not even remotely the point of the thread.

Asking for an alternative so you don't get locked into content you don't want to do because "carrot on a stick" is NOT Lobotimizing the game, this kind of content is fine for you and people who enjoy the content- you guys CAN enjoy it. but there are people out there (Like myself) who would like an alternate method to wrapping up the content because artificial content life expansion is not something that should ever be in a game. Before you try and counter this point, Yes it's artificial content life expansion because the duels gate slow down how many people can complete their note logs down to a crawl, basically you either grind mindlessly until you die of old age or you get into a 1v1, try and fail because you can't magically get good from just watching. I literally was just standing around with a PLD waiting for MDK to pop cause timer- that's not fun, especially when they're quiet and don't say anything.

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Yeah it’s grind content, for completionists. It was grindy then, it’s grindy now. That’s its purpose. And you are asking to make it not grindy. Do you want the zodiac relics (not replicas, just genuine all ready to go ones) to be sold by NPCs now too?

Still a hard no. No one was under any illlusion at any point after it released that it wasn’t a huge grind.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah it’s grind content, for completionists. It was grindy then, it’s grindy now. That’s its purpose. And you are asking to make it not grindy. Do you want the zodiac relics (not replicas, just genuine all ready to go ones) to be sold by NPCs now too?

Still a hard no. No one was under any illlusion at any point after it released that it wasn’t a huge grind.

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I never said it wasn't but when it takes you about 7 months to finish something that was long finished then players get frustrated and stop playing- and my statements were not about relics. Again, you missed the point of my posts and this thread- it was about the Notes, something that should be easier to obtain that doesn't detract from relics since you'd generally need notes to progress at some point and not everyone is going to know where notes spawn, allowing players to grind clusters and buy notes for like 1k a pop should have also been an option. Again, my statements were about notes, not relics. Eureka is the only one I have yet to even finish one with while all the others I have several in, so trust me I know that grindy content is meant to be grindy, but something that becomes optional after part two or when you finished the main portion of the content shouldn't be. Kindly contribute an Idea you would like to see include in Bojza or bug off.

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

it was about the Notes, something that should be easier to obtain that doesn't detract from relics since you'd generally need notes to progress at some point and not everyone is going to know where notes spawn, allowing players to grind clusters and buy notes for like 1k a pop should have also been an option.

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Yeah I don't want that. My suggestion for Bozja if anything would be that the systems found in there be applied to more of the game. See like you I don't have all the notes, but its something I occasionally work on and look forward to as a long term goal, If I could buy them for 1K I would be done with that and never have a reason to revisit or study for the CE's. It could take me a year, maybe more, but im not sweating it, I can get over the fact that I don't have to have everything right now.

I mentioned the relics as another example of content that is supposed to be grindy, like the notes, that I wouldn't like changed. You need to deal with the fact that not everyone wants things to be easy and not everyone is going to agree with you. If you don't like discourse in the forums, a place for public discussion, then you should bug off.

Ignoring them and moving on because It's not worth getting heated over.

In light of the Solo Duels being so Hard to even get into, I do think having "Practice" Npc's Like Mammets who do similar mechanic's so that you could practice said duels would be a good addition. Like not full fights but at the very least one of each mechanic so that way you could practice the mechanics when ever you want. Or at least something so that way people can actually know what they are doing when they get into it.

I actually don't mind the drop rates as much, but what really REALLY annoys me is the random spawn times for some of the Skirmishes required. We spent over 2 hours earlier in Primal killing Scorpions to spawn For Absent Friends and in turn Of Steel and Flame, and it just didn't feel like spawning. Why? I have no idea. Next one respawned in like half an hour. Why? I have no idea. Standing in a tiny plateau for 2 hours killing the same two enemies until the thing decides to spawn isn't engaging, hard, or interesting. It's a waste of time.

Yeah, they can feel like they take ages to spawn. increasing the spawn rate might be a good thing.

I personally see the only thing they need to touch is to either improve the drop rate/skirmish spawn frequency, and/or allow up to 2-5 duelists to challenge the duels.

So let's say there are 5 player who's eligible to enter the duel? Pick 3 players with highest notoriety rating & let them queue in line. If the first player fail to complete the duel, then whoever's in 2nd (and eventually 3rd) place should get the chance to take their place.

Resource wise, imho everything's fine except those essences that are attainable only from CLL & Dalriada. It would be nice to at least have them in cluster vendor -after- player clears said duties at least once, even if it may be expensive.

Yeah, like I get a lot of Tanking Essences even though I don't like to tank a lot so I'm just like begging for some Beasts at this point.

The drop rate for red/yellow/blue memory crystals needs to be improved, so people are encouraged to do it inside Bozja rather than going to do FATEs in Heavensward areas. Add some to Castrum as well.

Also the spawning requirements for CEs should be lowered, or the whole system transferred to being on timers, or perhaps spawned by enemies encountered in skirmishes. Otherwise on a lower population world you can have no CEs spawning at all. Getting no EXP from the enemies that spawn the CEs is harsh.

I would also like to see the relic quests restructured so you don't have the silly bottleneck of having to run loads of Stormblood FATEs and alliance raids all in one go before you can get back to doing stuff in Bozja. Change it to need a few crystals per weapon instead of all at once.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

They honestly should just drastically increase the drop rate for all of the super rare ones and call it a day.

Oh, and rework DR so it's not just dead outside of PF.

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I agree with this one 100%.