Mog Bonanza and the Golden Saucer

So in ffxi the cancelled the Mog Bonanza for EU and NA players because they said it violated the laws of many countries, other sites have said it was the gambling laws. If this is the case for something as simple as mog bonanza how are they going to implement an actual casino (Gold Saucer) into xiv?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

As many of you seem to be curious about the status of the Nomad Mog Bonanza, I’d like to take a moment to explain the current situation.

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel. Furthermore, to make sure that our players in North America and Europe aren't left out, we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!

Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!

We will be announcing the NA/EU event very shortly, so hang tight and look forward to it!

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It was never a problem before?

I know most state gambling laws are that you cannot pay to have a chance at winning something, that is illegal.

You can however reward people for a skill at something, like sinking a ball into a basket.

But this is a video game, does that make virtual poker illegal too? I'm so confused...

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Originally Posted by Manticore

It was never a problem before?

I know most state gambling laws are that you cannot pay to have a chance at winning something, that is illegal.

You can however reward people for a skill at something, like sinking a ball into a basket.

But this is a video game, does that make virtual poker illegal too? I'm so confused...

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It could be laws which are always changin especially in regards to the internet now, but it could also be that they mistook the NA/EU complaning about the Japanese getting a raffle for good items and not them because it was illegal, rather than just being selfish (Since the NA/EU weren't getting the chance yet.)

Well as long as the Golden Saucer is filled with mini-games instead of lotteries I think it should be OK. I would assume the issue with the Mog Bonanza is that it is completely random, more like gambling than gaming.

In Korea, they just banned the sale of virtual items (As it counts as gambling and rips people off of their money making them spend more just to get said item)

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

In Korea, they just banned the sale of virtual items (As it counts as gambling and rips people off of their money making them spend more just to get said item)

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ra4fDY1vjP...25917_yoda.jpg
Sense make, This does not.

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Originally Posted by Koroma_tanuki

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ra4fDY1vjP...25917_yoda.jpg
Sense make, This does not.

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http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/sou...ually-illegal/

This also affected games in Japan that used this method (Gachapon), Japan has it's own ban against things like gachapon.

the logic:

"Players use real money to buy in-game currency used to get a special in-game item, that item is rare, forcing the player to spend more money getting in-game money to increase their chances of getting items, that is the equivalent of RMT and gambling and is used as a poor excuse for a source of profitability."

^yep. Companies had to get rid of this method (And this was a huge blow to the F2P market)

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

In Korea, they just banned the sale of virtual items (As it counts as gambling and rips people off of their money making them spend more just to get said item)

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How will Korean MMOs survive then?

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Originally Posted by Zyph

How will Korean MMOs survive then?

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I have no clue how... maybe just off of regular monthly fees. TBH the ban was a rather stupid decision (This also hurts D3's Real Money Auction House) and this was all to combat RMT. lol

When did Camate turn into a female elezen?

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Originally Posted by Antanias

When did Camate turn into a female elezen?

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He didn't; the OP quoted a block of text from the FFXI forums and pasted it here. The quote feature looks up the author's avatar by post ID, so that particular avatar corresponds to the post on the FFXIV forums with the same post ID as Camate's post on the FFXI forums.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

When did Camate turn into a female elezen?

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Hm..I think he can pull the look off, he has the shoulders for it.

The link in the quote takes you to a JP thread about the inconvenient placement of NPCs in Limsa.
Here's the thread the OP was quoting.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

In Korea, they just banned the sale of virtual items (As it counts as gambling and rips people off of their money making them spend more just to get said item)

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ya megaten does this the worse, they the form of virtual items you're speaking of is the kind in which you pick a "ticket stub" and then from that ticket stub which may cost 5-20 dollars you are granted 1 item at random from common-rare. For those with money on their hands or those who are compulsive it really is a nasty trick to get people to keep pressing their luck by putting money into a game in hopes of receiving an item that they really want.

I think something is amiss here with the perception of Mog Bonanza in regards to Vanafest. I think the reason why they aren't holding it any longer is because of the entry to Vanafest, and not the Mog Bonanza itself. That's where the payment for entry laws are playing a rule.

This, however, doesn't mean the Gold Saucer can't be implemented. They just can't require someone to pay to be able to have entry to that specifically, such as buying tickets to get in to an event, like Vanafest. I know, at least in California, where I think SE still has an office in L.A., contests where the winner is drawn randomly, or the odds are the same for everyone (like opening a candy wrapper), can't require entry fees. (RE: "No Purchase Necessary" on lots of 'contest' marketing ads.)

So, unless they go and set up something requiring someone to go to an event to gain access to the Gold Saucer in FFXIV, it could still be implemented.

It's not about the game itself, but about how one would be required to enter.

Unless I'm completely missing something here? O.o

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

If this is the case for something as simple as mog bonanza how are they going to implement an actual casino (Gold Saucer) into xiv?

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The gold saucer casino will probably be completely isolated within the game with no rules, terms, conditions or any of that stuff.

Kind of like the casino in the Pokemon games... Yeah, I don't think we have anything to worry about. :P

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

I have no clue how... maybe just off of regular monthly fees. TBH the ban was a rather stupid decision (This also hurts D3's Real Money Auction House) and this was all to combat RMT. lol

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its simple RMAH is a Pay 2 win cash cow for blizzard and it supports a toxic unhealthy gaming enviroment for players. People spend money they need for necessities on fake game weapons and armor. And they form obsessive destructive behaviors because of it. It ruins alot of peoples lives as it is and its a major problem in Korea and honestly in MMOs in general where people cant practice self control and there real life suffers because of it. Korea is not against gaming in any way but they are firmly against gambling and addiction and theyre people suffering because of it and i think they have taken a great step and may have started to pave the way for more states/countries to follow. They strongly support competitive gaming(fighting games/starcraft etc...) But they will not let their people fall pray to P2P/gambling hoaxes and RMT anymore. Current P2p games will be given a grace period to change theyre structure too monthly subs. and if theyd ont they will be shut down. It will also carry a 40k us dollar fine now if your caught doing RMT activity in korea. China even has some similar laws that are actually inforced and has made a dent in the RMT trade there.

F2P games uses these sort of gashapon to earn big money. some game even make it so that if you don't have these certain items from the gashapon, you can't advance(or even enjoy) in the game.

example: http://iahed.livejournal.com/27070.html




on the side note, FFXI's mog bonanza are fine as they just a bonus event players doesn't have to pay for

Not that I particularly cared for Mob bananza (though I did participate when I played FFXI a little bit) but why would videogame gambling be illegal? So...it's ok to kill, maim, torture, cuss, rape (obviously most of these I'm thinking of from M rated games like Grand Theft Auto) but GAMBLING digital MONEY!? OMG

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

its simple RMAH is a Pay 2 win cash cow for blizzard and it supports a toxic unhealthy gaming enviroment for players. People spend money they need for necessities on fake game weapons and armor. And they form obsessive destructive behaviors because of it. It ruins alot of peoples lives as it is and its a major problem in Korea and honestly in MMOs in general where people cant practice self control and there real life suffers because of it. Korea is not against gaming in any way but they are firmly against gambling and addiction and theyre people suffering because of it and i think they have taken a great step and may have started to pave the way for more states/countries to follow. They strongly support competitive gaming(fighting games/starcraft etc...) But they will not let their people fall pray to P2P/gambling hoaxes and RMT anymore. Current P2p games will be given a grace period to change theyre structure too monthly subs. and if theyd ont they will be shut down. It will also carry a 40k us dollar fine now if your caught doing RMT activity in korea. China even has some similar laws that are actually inforced and has made a dent in the RMT trade there.

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You also forgot to mention the time restriction that some companies took to combat excessive gaming (By shutting down on certain hours) We don't want another incident where parents left their child unattended and their kid was killed because they left her alone to game in LUNA online.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

You also forgot to mention the time restriction that some companies took to combat excessive gaming (By shutting down on certain hours) We don't want another incident where parents left their child unattended and their kid was killed because they left her alone to game in LUNA online.

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ya i remember that one as i work w/ many korean doctors and they constantly bring up stories like this (true stories). I understand people like to play games and they are damn fun sometimes but some people just cant control there actions. Im taking a break from ff14 right now i go to the gym work some extra hours ...actually go out w/ friends and work on my other hobbys. I tried loggin into the game the otherday but only being gone 2mnths or less i feel way behind now and like i might was well just wait for 2.o at this point lol. Im really not digging all the luck based content as of late and the utter randomness of it. At least in 11 i worked hard and i got what i worked for and was pretty well guaranteed it. I did win a hauteclaire/homam body/ mythic axe in mog bananas and loads of statues.

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Originally Posted by Spy

Not that I particularly cared for Mob bananza (though I did participate when I played FFXI a little bit) but why would videogame gambling be illegal? So...it's ok to kill, maim, torture, cuss, rape (obviously most of these I'm thinking of from M rated games like Grand Theft Auto) but GAMBLING digital MONEY!? OMG

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You're paying for a service (virtual) and partaking in a lotto, which adheres by certain country laws. It's mostly Europe that's the culprit and since you have to pay money constantly for the MMO, you're basically held by different rules versus selling a GTA title.

It's not that "it's ok" it's just when it comes to something you continually dump real money into, there's a different set of eyes on you.

Just don't have gambling in golden saucer?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You're paying for a service (virtual) and partaking in a lotto, which adheres by certain country laws. It's mostly Europe that's the culprit and since you have to pay money constantly for the MMO, you're basically held by different rules versus selling a GTA title.

It's not that "it's ok" it's just when it comes to something you continually dump real money into, there's a different set of eyes on you.

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I suppose that makes a bit of sense. It's just, I'm paying anyway, whether or not I partake in digital 'gambling'. But people have their ways of viewing things differently from others.

Oh well, honestly, I don't have many qualms about them adding or not adding lotto's. But I do look forward to what they will bring.